7:06 p.m.
Hello all,
I've seen a few softwares around to have some kind of keyboard able
to either input romanji based (hiragana based ?) characters or to draw
kanji, but these software seems to be age-old and not maintained
anymore, like anthy. What is the preferred way to be able to use
Japanese characters in Fedora 15 with KDE ?
Thanks.
7:14 p.m.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:06:50 -0400
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I've seen a few softwares around to have some kind of keyboard
able
to either input romanji based (hiragana based ?) characters or to draw
kanji, but these software seems to be age-old and not maintained
anymore, like anthy. What is the preferred way to be able to use
Japanese characters in Fedora 15 with KDE ?
I use i-bus mozc, it is in the fedora repo.
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7:17 p.m.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:06:50 -0400,
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote :
I've seen a few softwares around to have some kind of keyboard
able
to either input romanji based (hiragana based ?) characters or to draw
kanji, but these software seems to be age-old and not maintained
anymore, like anthy. What is the preferred way to be able to use
Japanese characters in Fedora 15 with KDE ?
I do have the following packages installed, but do not know how to use
them in KDE (nor Gnome for that matter) :
anthy-9100h-16.fc15.x86_64
ibus-anthy-1.2.7-1.fc15.x86_64
7:20 p.m.
On 04/30/2012 08:17 AM, jonetsu wrote:
I do have the following packages installed, but do not know how to
use
them in KDE (nor Gnome for that matter) :
anthy-9100h-16.fc15.x86_64
ibus-anthy-1.2.7-1.fc15.x86_64
You will need, at a minimum, ibus and ibus-anthy installed.
Then run im-chooser and select IBus as your input method. This is preferred over
scim these days.
Ed
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7:21 p.m.
Le Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:14:30 +0900,
nomnex <nomnex(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:06:50 -0400
> jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
> I've seen a few softwares around to have some kind of keyboard
> able to either input romanji based (hiragana based ?) characters or
> to draw kanji, but these software seems to be age-old and not
> maintained anymore, like anthy. What is the preferred way to be
> able to use Japanese characters in Fedora 15 with KDE ?
I use i-bus mozc, it is in the fedora repo.
The following is installed:
mozc-1.4.1033.102-1.fc15.x86_64
scim-mozc-1.4.1033.102-1.fc15.x86_64
I'm using KDE. How is Japanese text entered using mozc ?
Thanks.
7:25 p.m.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:21:40 -0400,
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote :
The following is installed:
mozc-1.4.1033.102-1.fc15.x86_64
scim-mozc-1.4.1033.102-1.fc15.x86_64
I'm using KDE. How is Japanese text entered using mozc ?
Also the following is installed:
ibus-mozc-1.4.1033.102-1.fc15.x86_64
ibus-qt.x86_64
Somewhere in the KDE system configuration menus for the keyboard it is
mentioned that Alt-Space triggers keyboard modes, but it seemingly had
no effect.
7:34 p.m.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:20:57 +0800,
Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote :
On 04/30/2012 08:17 AM, jonetsu wrote:
> I do have the following packages installed, but do not know how to
> use them in KDE (nor Gnome for that matter) :
>
> anthy-9100h-16.fc15.x86_64
> ibus-anthy-1.2.7-1.fc15.x86_64
You will need, at a minimum, ibus and ibus-anthy installed.
Then run im-chooser and select IBus as your input method. This is
preferred over scim these days.
OK, I see. It's getting somewhere. I've added Japanese (Japanese,
Kana, Kana 86) and it asks me to restart ibus. I've sent the
ibus daemon a HUP signal. But all choices in im-chooser are greyed out.
It does not seem possible to choose any other input at all.
7:35 p.m.
On 04/30/2012 08:34 AM, jonetsu wrote:
OK, I see. It's getting somewhere. I've added Japanese
(Japanese,
Kana, Kana 86) and it asks me to restart ibus. I've sent the
ibus daemon a HUP signal. But all choices in im-chooser are greyed out.
It does not seem possible to choose any other input at all.
I use IBus, but I'm now on F16. I think the GUI is the same..... So....
You should now have a "Keyboard icon" on your taskbar. (I use KDE
language...GNOME
should be the same.)
Right Click on the icon and pick "Preferences". Then go to the "Input
Method" Tab
and select and Input Method and "Add" it to the list of available input
methods.
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7:45 p.m.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:35:02 +0800,
Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote :
On 04/30/2012 08:34 AM, jonetsu wrote:
> OK, I see. It's getting somewhere. I've added Japanese (Japanese,
> Kana, Kana 86) and it asks me to restart ibus. I've sent the
> ibus daemon a HUP signal. But all choices in im-chooser are greyed
> out. It does not seem possible to choose any other input at all.
I use IBus, but I'm now on F16. I think the GUI is the same.....
So....
You should now have a "Keyboard icon" on your taskbar. (I use KDE
language...GNOME should be the same.)
Right Click on the icon and pick "Preferences". Then go to the
"Input Method" Tab and select and Input Method and "Add" it to the
list of available input methods.
OK, got it. Japanese (kana) is chosen. Keyboard is jp(kana). But
still, looks like and types like the same keyboard as usual.
カテタチトスカンイシ
7:55 p.m.
On 04/30/2012 08:45 AM, jonetsu wrote:
OK, got it. Japanese (kana) is chosen. Keyboard is jp(kana). But
still, looks like and types like the same keyboard as usual.
カテタチトスカンイシ
Unless you have a real Japanese keyboard there is no need to change the keyboard type.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean....but let me give an example. Let's say you
want
to type "Shibuya".
Using a konsole or terminal application.....
You'd activate the Anthy input method. Then you'd type "shibuya".
You'd see シブヤ
outlined in white. Then you'd hit the space bar and you'd see 渋谷 with a white
background. If that is what you want you hit return. If you are not happy with the
selection you hit the space bar again and will get a dialog box with choices.
Does that help?
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7:59 p.m.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:45:30 -0400,
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote :
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:35:02 +0800,
Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com> wrote :
> Right Click on the icon and pick "Preferences". Then
go to the
> "Input Method" Tab and select and Input Method and "Add" it to
the
> list of available input methods.
OK, got it. Japanese (kana) is chosen. Keyboard is jp(kana). But
still, looks like and types like the same keyboard as usual.
カテタチトスカンイシ
Hmmm... Had to restart the machine ;-) Good thing the login is still
done using the US keyboard. I see that once ibus is used, then all
input methods have to be configured within ibus. Unless the bus daemon
is not used. Now I added English, so I can switch within ibus.
Is there any information on how to actually use Japanese input,
including descriptions of keyboard layouts ? The keyboard I've chosen
seems to be limited to katakana (that is, when knowing what the layout
is). Is there a hiragana keyboard ? And is there also kanji selection
based on hiragana/romaji ? Or based on pictogram sketches (perhaps
like IME on Windows) ?
Dooma arigato.
8:06 p.m.
Le Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:55:32 +0800,
Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com> a écrit :
On 04/30/2012 08:45 AM, jonetsu wrote:
> OK, got it. Japanese (kana) is chosen. Keyboard is jp(kana). But
> still, looks like and types like the same keyboard as usual.
>
> カテタチトスカンイシ
Unless you have a real Japanese keyboard there is no need to change
the keyboard type.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean....but let me give an example.
Let's say you want to type "Shibuya".
Using a konsole or terminal application.....
You'd activate the Anthy input method. Then you'd type "shibuya".
You'd see シブヤ outlined in white. Then you'd hit the space bar and
you'd see 渋谷 with a white background. If that is what you want you
hit return. If you are not happy with the selection you hit the
space bar again and will get a dialog box with choices.
Does that help?
OK. Got it working in a terminal. Neat.
ありがとございます ！！！
8:37 a.m.
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:59:11 -0400
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I see that once ibus is used, then all
input methods have to be configured within ibus. Unless the bus
daemon is not used. Now I added English, so I can switch within ibus.
Glad you got it working.
Ctrl+Space switch i-bus on/off
Alt+Shift switch the input language (I use French/Japanese on a en_US
OS)
You don't need to configure your default language with i-bus.
mozc has a bug on linux (keyboard shortcuts are partially working). See:
http://code.google.com/p/mozc/issues/detail?id=128
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6:39 p.m.
Le Lundi, 30 Avril 2012 22:37:36 +0900,
nomnex <nomnex(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
Glad you got it working.
Ctrl+Space switch i-bus on/off
Alt+Shift switch the input language (I use French/Japanese on a en_US
OS)
I've tried the Anthy German keyboard that I use to write French
although it's not at all like the regular Linux German keyboard. Even
though it shows 'German' when pressing Alt+Shift, it is still a qwerty
keyboard, not a qwertz. And no shift keys in sight to produce
accentuated letters. Seems English as usual. I did a quick search on
Anthy layouts but most if not all topics are related to Japanese. It'd
be useful to have a description of all the layouts available.
8:18 p.m.
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:39:19 -0400
jonetsu <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
I've tried the Anthy German keyboard that I use to write French
although it's not at all like the regular Linux German keyboard. Even
though it shows 'German' when pressing Alt+Shift, it is still a qwerty
keyboard, not a qwertz. And no shift keys in sight to produce
accentuated letters. Seems English as usual. I did a quick search on
Anthy layouts but most if not all topics are related to Japanese.
It'd be useful to have a description of all the layouts available.
I stand corrected, but I don't think, they are "Anthy [...] layout",
i-bus uses (some of) the default keyboard layouts (command: xkblayout)
available with your distribution.
These are my setting, maybe it helps you?
My OS language is "en_US", the notebook is Japanese (Keyboard "ja").
Additional input:
I use ibus to input Japanese & French (as second languages)
Input method (tab):
- Japanese-Mozc
- French-French (Canada)
Advanced:
- Use system keyboard layout [checked]
- System keyboard layout ja,ca
Note: French-Canadian is the closest of the "en_us" layout (else,
there is the Swiss-French), both are QUERTY -- I won't comment how
French always need to re-invent the wheel [keyboard layout,
counting, ... ]
Keyboard option:
French-Canadian keyboard (only)
- Key to chose the 3rd level > Right Alt
You need that to get some signs (e.g. "@"), see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key
These are my settings. I am not sure if they are best, but they are
working well for me. Others can comment.
I have one notebook with an "en_us" keyboard, there is no
zenkaku/henkaku, hanken/muhanken, and kana key.
I rely on i-bus shortcuts, when I input Japanese. I would remap those
keys if I was using the notebook more, see:
http://rmecab.jp/new/?p=530
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