Installing texlive under Fedora 17.

[Rolf Turner]

Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)

I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
by re-installing texlive.

I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from

http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html

unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed

     ./install.tl

as per instructions.  I got an error message:
>  Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
>  /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
>  /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
>  /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
>  199.
>  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
>  Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
>  BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53. 
I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.

I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not 
at all
clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search perl5"
basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What has pgsql got to do with
the price of eggs in China?

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?

I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
supply it.

I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.

         R. T.

[Rolf Turner]

I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that 
there was
a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
I did indeed do "yum install texlive" to fix things up.

Now when I do "yum install texlive" it tells me that I have the latest 
version
and that there is nothing to do.

*BUT* there are flakes.  Toy example:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[UKenglish]{isodate}
\cleanlookdateon
\begin{document}
Today's date is: \today.
\end{document}

When I run latex I get the error:

! LaTeX Error: File `isodate.sty' not found.

But if I ask (in the shell) "locate isodate" I get:

/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex/isodate
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate

However the directory /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/isodate
is empty.

I thought that this might be rectified by doing an install from the
texlive web site.  But then I (as described in my initial post) got stymied
by a deficiency in my system in respect of perl.

Now that I look, it seems that almost all of the directories in
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/doc/latex are empty.  (There are
exceptions, e.g. amsmath.)

Is there some incantation that I can invoke, via yum, to get these
directories filled up?

Thanks.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:
> > Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
> > previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
> > switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
> >
> > I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
> > by re-installing texlive.
> >
> > I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
> >
> >      http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
> >
> > unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
> >
> >      ./install.tl
>  How had you installed texlive previously on F17?
>
>  Did you not install it with
>
>  yum install texlive
>
>  for a reason?
>
> > as per instructions.  I got an error message:
> >> Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg
> /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl
> /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at
> tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
> >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
> >> Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
> >> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.
>  yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm
>
> > I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.
> >
> > I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
> > clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
> > hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search
> perl5"
> > basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
> > the price of eggs in China?
> >
> > Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?
> >
> > I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
> > to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
> > about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
> > supply it.
> >
> > I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
> > in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.
> >
> >      cheers,
> >
> >          Rolf Turner
> >
> > P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
> > Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.
> >
> >          R. T.

[Mike Williams]

>  On 04/11/2013 09:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> > On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:
> >
> >> Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
> >> previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had
> >> to
> >> switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
> >>
> >> I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
> >> by re-installing texlive.
> >>
> >> I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
> >>
> >>      http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
> >>
> > 
The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from the
tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive, then
downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and it
works fine.

Mike

[George Avrunin]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:46:15 +0300, Susi Lehtola
<jussilehtola(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  Don't install stuff manually when things have already been
> packages.  
>  Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
>  get it on Fedora 17 by 
Except that I think Fedora installs the versions from the TeX Live svn
repository, so the binary versions you get may not be the same as if you
install from TeX Live 2012.  There have been times when the repository had
broken binaries. I haven't personally had any problems with the Fedora 18
stuff, but I don't run XeTeX, ConTeXt, etc., and if the problem is getting
LaTeX to work on a file that worked previously, this sort of thing might be an
issue.  

  George

[Susi Lehtola]

Quoting Rolf Turner <r.turner(a)auckland.ac.nz&gt;:

>  Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file
> that
>  previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
>  switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
>
>  I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
>  by re-installing texlive.
>
>  I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from 
Don't install stuff manually when things have already been packages.  
Fedora 18 features a complete TeXLive 2012 distribution; you can also  
get it on Fedora 17 by

# yum remove tex-* texlive-*
# cat > /etc/yum.repos.d/texlive.repo <<EOF
[texlive]
name=texlive
baseurl=http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/2012/packages.f17/
enabled=1
gpgcheck=0
EOF
# yum install texlive-scheme-full

after which you will have a full blown TeXLive install.

Alternatively, you can update to Fedora 18 and just do the last bit.

-- 
Susi Lehtola
Fedora Project Contributor
jussilehtola(a)fedoraproject.org

[Rolf Turner]

No.  I certainly ***DID NOT*** "expect it to work with pdflatex"!!!  Please
read what I wrote.   It's very irritating to be taken for a moron when 
one is
only an idiot studying hard to be a moron and flunking the course!

I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex".  
I did
"latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I
reported.

But there are two further things to note:

(1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command
I see now that it starts with

     "This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (TeX Live 2012)
       restricted \write18 enabled."

I then did "which latex" and got, as expected (since I'd made the 
appropriate
modification to my PATH) /usr/local/texlive /2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex.

So I looked at /usr/local/texlive /2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex and this 
turns
out to be a symbolic link to /usr/local/texlive 
/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex.

So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to be
simply what happens under texlive2012.

(2) Now here's the ***REALLY WEIRD THING***:   I have not changed
*anything* about my set-up since my previous post on this topic. I swear
to God!!! Yet now when I do

     latex demo

I no longer get the error message that I previously got.  How could this 
*possibly*
happen?  It couldn't.  But it did.

Redoing "latex demo" eliminated some warning messages that appeared, doing
"dvips demo" runs without any sort of problem.

But then doing "ps2pdf demo" produces the error:

>  Error: /undefinedfilename in (demo)
>  Operand stack:
>
>  Execution stack:
>     %interp_exit   .runexec2   --nostringval-- --nostringval--   
>  --nostringval--   2   %stopped_push --nostringval--   
>  --nostringval--   --nostringval--   false 1   %stopped_push
>  Dictionary stack:
>     --dict:1168/1684(ro)(G)--   --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:77/200(L)--
>  Current allocation mode is local
>  Last OS error: No such file or directory
>  GPL Ghostscript 9.06: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 
So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where "latex" really 
means
***latex*** and not "pdftex".  How the hell do I arrange that?

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner


On 04/12/2013 09:23 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>  Hi Ed,
>
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:46:52PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > First, I am not a Latex user.....  But decided to try your demo
> > file.... on an F17 system where I installed using yum...  I "think" it
> > is OK?
> >
> > [egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex
>  [...]
>
>  I think the OP expected it to work with pdflatex.  The document class he
>  is using is incompatible with pdflatex and has to processed the old
>  school way.  At least that is what I found from my test[1].
>
>  Footnotes:
>
>  [1] <http://mid.gmane.org/[e-mail]>

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/12/13 08:09, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:
>
>  <SNIP>
>
> > The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from the tug link
> is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive, then downloaded the .iso from
> tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and it works fine.
>
>  OK.  I have managed to download the "iso", mounted it, cd-ed to the mount
> point,
>  and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems inconsistent
>  with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the PATH environment
>  variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.
>
>  But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to give in a
> week's time,
>  and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and when I do
>  latex on it, I get:
>
> > ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
> >
> > See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
> > Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
> >  ...
> >
> > l.55   }\@ehc
>  But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.
>
>  It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
>  to ***me***?)
>
>  I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.
>
>  What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
>  to set in.)
>
>  Thanks for any insight.
>
>  
First, I am not a Latex user.....  But decided to try your demo file.... on an F17 system
where I installed using yum...   I "think" it is OK?

[egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 %&-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./demo.tex
LaTeX2e <2005/12/01>
Babel <v3.8h> and hyphenation patterns for english, usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, arabic, basque, bulgarian, coptic, welsh, czech, slovak, german, ng
erman, danish, esperanto, spanish, catalan, galician, estonian, farsi, finnish,
 french, greek, monogreek, ancientgreek, croatian, hungarian, interlingua, ibyc
us, indonesian, icelandic, italian, latin, mongolian, dutch, norsk, polish, por
tuguese, pinyin, romanian, russian, slovenian, uppersorbian, serbian, swedish,
turkish, ukenglish, ukrainian, loaded.
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/powerdot/powerdot.cls
Document Class: powerdot 2005/12/06 v1.3 powerdot presentation class (HA,CE)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/xkeyval.tex
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/keyval.tex)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fleqn.clo)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size12.clo)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/geometry/geometry.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/pd1enc.def)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/hyperref.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/oberdiek/kvoptions.sty)
Implicit mode ON; LaTeX internals redefined
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ltxmisc/url.sty))
*hyperref using driver hdvips*
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/hdvips.def
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/pdfmark.def))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/dvips.def)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/pstricks/pstricks.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pstricks/pstricks.tex
`PSTricks' v1.15  <2006/12/22> (tvz)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pstricks/pstricks.con))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/color.cfg)))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/enumitem/enumitem.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/verbatim.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/powerdot/powerdot-fyma.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/pst-grad/pst-grad.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pst-grad/pst-grad.tex
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/xkeyval/pst-xkey.tex)
`pst-plot' v1.05, 2006/11/04 (tvz,dg,hv)))))
No file demo.aux.
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/ot1phv.fd)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/hyperref/nameref.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/oberdiek/refcount.sty))

Package hyperref Warning: Rerun to get /PageLabels entry.


LaTeX Warning: Reference `lastslide' on page 1 undefined on input line 20.

[1]

LaTeX Warning: Reference `lastslide' on page 2 undefined on input line 24.

[2] (./demo.aux)

LaTeX Warning: There were undefined references.


LaTeX Warning: Label(s) may have changed. Rerun to get cross-references right.

 )
Output written on demo.dvi (2 pages, 8576 bytes).
Transcript written on demo.log.





-- 
> From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all
> spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the
> computer....

[Suvayu Ali]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:09:42PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  >! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF
> mode.
>  >
>  >See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
>  >Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
>  > ...
>  >
>  >l.55   }\@ehc
>  But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.
>  
>  It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
>  to ***me***?)
>  
>  I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.
>  
>  What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
>  to set in.) 
I do not know what used to work, but I tested your TeX file.  The
document class you are using seems to be incompatible with pdftex, as
mentioned in the error message.  However using plain LaTeX works.

Try this:

$ latex demo.tex
$ dvips demo.dvi
$ ps2pdf demo.ps

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Antonio Olivares]

>  I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with
> pdftex".
>  I did
>  "latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I
>  reported.
>   
You may install kerTeX^{1} and in there latex is latex :)
If you don't have Development Tools/Libraries installed do, 
# yum installgroup "Development Tools"
and install 
# yum install flex-static
or 
# yum install flex-devel 

lftp should be installed in the system and configure it :
$ cat >~/.lftp/rc <<EOT
>  set ssl:verify-certificate no
>  EOT 
$

Then try the installation with
$ wget wget http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/get_mk_install.sh
$ chmod +x get_mk_install.sh
$ ./get_mk_install.sh
should compile kerTeX for you, then add the package latex 
$ wget http://downloads.kergis.com/kertex/latex.sh
$ chmod +x latex.sh
$ ./latex.sh install

and it would install latex.  Look at the available packages in the main website.  
NOTE: some packages (beamer, pgf, hyperref) and others are currently unavailable for
kerTeX, but can be added later via a package script.  See Packages section in {1}. 


{1} http://www.kergis.com/en/kertex.html

Also, you can have texlive from (main sources), from fedora repositories(through yum) and
you may choose which tex you can run.  I have both installed kertex and texlive on several
machines and some just the one one installs from texlive dvd.  I see now that fedora has
texlive-scheme-full available and hopefully that should take care of almost all the
TeXing/LaTeXing needs.  Also you can refer to a previous thread I created in fedora users
list^{2}:

{2} http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2012-March/415359.html

But for a while now, the default format would be pdftex/pdflatex and not plain TeX or
LaTeX.  I don't know the main reasons for this, but my best guess is that the TeXLive
folks 

Best Regards,


Antonio

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Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  I realized that I should have been doing
>
>       ps2pdf demo.ps
>
>  not
>
>       ps2pdf demo
>
>  and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting. 
Brain fart.  Don't worry about it.  Tish happens.  If you want to know 
about one that had me going round in circles for several hours recently, 
email me off-list.

Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

Sorry, I did not mean to send my previous message to the list, since
Joe Zeff had asked to email him off-list.  I just clicked on "Reply" 
thinking
my message would just go to the sender.  (I didn't click on "Reply List"
or "Reply All".)  And then I didn't notice that the To field was the list
until after I sent it.  (So Thunderbird messes around too; it's not just
LaTeX! :-) )

Apologies.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

[Rolf Turner]

On 04/12/2013 11:35 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>  Hi Rolf,
>
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
> >      I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
> >      see any reference to hypdestopt in the "demo" code?
> >
> >      I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
> >      God knows where.
>  The error message (quoted below) suggests otherwise.  If powerdot is
>  incompatible with pdftex, how can it have a dependency on a package that
>  works only with pdftex?  Don't you see the contradiction here? 
All I can tell you is that I ***did*** initially get that error message 
doing "latex demo"
and there was no reference to "hypdestopt" in the code of "demo.tex". 
I am
no longer getting the error, which is utterly mysterious, so I cannot 
"reproduce it"
to prove my case.

If you run "latex demo" and examine demo.log you will see many references
to "oberdiek"; it is in the oberdiek package that hypdestopt.sty lives.  
I don't
know what is going on, but I certainly made no reference to hypdestop nor
to oberdiek in any code that I wrote.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

On 04/13/2013 05:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>  On 04/12/2013 03:32 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
> > I realized that I should have been doing
> >
> >      ps2pdf demo.ps
> >
> > not
> >
> >      ps2pdf demo
> >
> > and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.
>
>  Brain fart.  Don't worry about it.  Tish happens.  If you want to know 
>  about one that had me going round in circles for several hours 
>  recently, email me off-list. 
Sure!  Tell me about it.  It's comforting to know that I am not alone
in having these, uh, mental lapses. :-)

     cheers,

         Rolf

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 21:37 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

>  So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where
> "latex" really 
>  means
>  ***latex*** and not "pdftex".  How the hell do I arrange that?
>  
>  
I'm a bit late to this party, but Jindrich Novy's Fedora TeXLive repo
for F17 works well.  This has been integrated into F18 as the default
LaTeX subsystem.  The older TeXLive packaging system (the default in
F17) didn't work very well at all, which I guess has been your
experience.

Contra the purists here, my advice would be to wipe all traces of
TeXLive--either RPMs or native install--and install this one.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive#TeX_Live_2012_2


-- 
Matthew Saltzman
Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:43:50PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
>      I don't, didn't, never have, and never will use
> hypdestopt!!! Do you
>      see any reference to hypdestopt in the "demo" code?
>  
>      I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
>      God knows where. 
The error message (quoted below) suggests otherwise.  If powerdot is
incompatible with pdftex, how can it have a dependency on a package that
works only with pdftex?  Don't you see the contradiction here?

>  >>! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in
> PDF mode.
>  >>See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
>  >>Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
>  >>  ...
>  >>
>  >>l.55   }\@ehc 
In any case, it seems your problem has been "solved".  So I guess all
discussion is moot now.

Good luck with your presentation.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Installing texlive under Fedora 17 --- Solved?

[Rolf Turner]

Further to my previous message:  Maybe I *am* a moron and not just
an idiot studying hard to be one.  I realized that I should have been doing

     ps2pdf demo.ps

not

     ps2pdf demo

and *that* was the source of the error that I was getting.

So it all seems to be working now.  I guess the problem is "solved".

I still don't understand why the error that I originally got, relating to
"hypdestopt" went away.  I really didn't change ***ANYTHING*** in the
interim.  I did not reboot; I didn't even log out and log back in.

It is utterly mystifying.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

[Rolf Turner]

Please see inline below.

On 04/12/2013 10:29 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>  Hello Rolf,
>
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
> > I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex".  I
> > did
> > "latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I
> reported.
>  A little patience and being concise helps a lot.  If you knew that, why
>  do you use the package hypdestopt?  As the error in your previous
>  message says, it requires pdftex. 
     I don't, didn't, never have, and
never will use hypdestopt!!! Do you
     see any reference to hypdestopt in the "demo" code?

     I figured that it had to come from somewhere in the bowels of powerdot.
     God knows where.

     But for some reason unknown to me (nor presumably to the rest of
     humanity) powerdot has ceased and desisted from trying to use 
hypdestopt.
     I repeat (again and again):  I MADE NO CHANGES.  Yet the error in 
respect
     or hypdestopt went away.  Go figure.
> > ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF
> mode.
> > See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
> > Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
> >   ...
> >
> > l.55   }\@ehc
>  So either change from powerdot to something that is supported in pdftex
>  (beamer, prosper, etc) or do not use hypdestopt.
>
> > But there are two further things to note:
> >
> > (1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command
>  [...]
>
> > So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to be
> > simply what happens under texlive2012.
>  [...]
>
> > So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where "latex" really
> > means
> > ***latex*** and not "pdftex".  How the hell do I arrange that?
>  This is intentional.  All modern TeX distributions symlink latex,
>  pdflatex, etc to pdftex.  pdftex figures out what it should run as by
>  looking at the calling name (arg 0 in technical parlance).
>
>  This is the same for most shells, for example.
>
>  lrwxrwxrwx. 1 user user       6 Aug 15  2009 /opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex
> -> pdftex
>  -rwxr-xr-x. 1 user user 1721312 Jun 28  2012 /opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex
>
>  lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root      4 Mar 17 01:09 /bin/sh -> bash
>  -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 978160 Mar 11 21:18 /bin/bash
>
>  Next time when you post a minimal example, make sure it actually
>  replicates the problem.  Including the line "\usepackage{hypdestopt}"
>  replicates your error message from the earlier post. 
     But I ***did not have***
"\usepackage{hypdestopt}" in my demo
     code.  It would never have entered my head to include that bit of code.

         cheers,

             Rolf Turner

[Suvayu Ali]

Hello Rolf,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:37:43PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  
>  I said ***explicitly*** that "powerdot is not compatible with pdftex".  I
>  did
>  "latex demo", ***NOT*** "pdflatex demo" and got the error that I
> reported. 
A little patience and being concise helps a lot.  If you knew that, why
do you use the package hypdestopt?  As the error in your previous
message says, it requires pdftex.

>  ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF
> mode.
>  See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
>  Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
>   ...
>
>  l.55   }\@ehc 
So either change from powerdot to something that is supported in pdftex
(beamer, prosper, etc) or do not use hypdestopt.

>  But there are two further things to note:
>  
>  (1) Looking more closely at the screen output from the latex command 
[...]

>  So it seems that I was inadvertently using *pdftex*.  This seems to
> be
>  simply what happens under texlive2012. 
[...]

>  So I need somehow to get an installation of texlive where
> "latex" really
>  means
>  ***latex*** and not "pdftex".  How the hell do I arrange that? 
This is intentional.  All modern TeX distributions symlink latex,
pdflatex, etc to pdftex.  pdftex figures out what it should run as by
looking at the calling name (arg 0 in technical parlance).

This is the same for most shells, for example.

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 user user       6 Aug 15  2009 /opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/latex
-> pdftex
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 user user 1721312 Jun 28  2012 /opt/texlive/2012/bin/x86_64-linux/pdftex

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root      4 Mar 17 01:09 /bin/sh -> bash
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 978160 Mar 11 21:18 /bin/bash

Next time when you post a minimal example, make sure it actually
replicates the problem.  Including the line "\usepackage{hypdestopt}"
replicates your error message from the earlier post.

Hope this helps,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Ed,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 02:46:52PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  First, I am not a Latex user.....  But decided to try your demo
>  file.... on an F17 system where I installed using yum...  I "think" it
>  is OK?
>  
>  [egreshko@f17x ~]$ latex demo.tex 
[...]

I think the OP expected it to work with pdflatex.  The document class he
is using is incompatible with pdflatex and has to processed the old
school way.  At least that is what I found from my test[1].

Footnotes:

[1] <http://mid.gmane.org/[e-mail]>


-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Thomas Waldecker]

Hi,

I installed texlive from the install.sh script. It worked after installing
some perl modules which are easily to discover.

The texlive package manager worked better for me than the fedora
repositories. Especially if you are going to use xelatex which I recommend.

Thomas


2013/4/12 Rolf Turner <r.turner(a)auckland.ac.nz&gt;

>  On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:
>
>  <SNIP>
>
>
>   The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version from
> > the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove texlive,
> > then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed from that and
> > it works fine.
> >
>
>  OK.  I have managed to download the "iso", mounted it, cd-ed to the mount
>  point,
>  and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems
>  inconsistent
>  with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the
>  PATH environment
>  variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.
>
>  But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to
>  give in a week's time,
>  and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and
>  when I do
>  latex on it, I get:
>
>   ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF mode.
> >
> > See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
> > Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
> >  ...
> >
> > l.55   }\@ehc
> >
>  But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.
>
>  It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
>  to ***me***?)
>
>  I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.
>
>  What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
>  to set in.)
>
>  Thanks for any insight.
>
>      cheers,
>
>          Rolf Turner
>
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[Rolf Turner]

On 04/12/2013 01:12 AM, Mike Williams wrote:

<SNIP>

>  The texlive that comes with fedora 17 is texlive 2007, the version 
>  from the tug link is texlive 2013.  On my system I used yum to remove 
>  texlive, then downloaded the .iso from tug, mounted the iso, installed 
>  from that and it works fine. 
OK.  I have managed to download the "iso", mounted it, cd-ed to the 
mount point,
and run ./install-tl.  Turned out I had to sudo the command (which seems 
inconsistent
with the instructions on the TUG web page, but never mind).  I set the 
PATH environment
variable in my .cshrc file, and things seemed to work.

But ***then*** I tried to run latex on a file for a talk that I have to 
give in a week's time,
and all hell broke loose.  The talk makes use of the powerdot class, and 
when I do
latex on it, I get:

>  ! Package hypdestopt Error: This package requires pdfTeX in PDF
> mode.
>
>  See the hypdestopt package documentation for explanation.
>  Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
>   ...
>
>  l.55   }\@ehc 
But powerdot is incompatible with pdfTeX.

It ***used to*** work!!!  (Why do these things always happen
to ***me***?)

I have attached a file demo.tex to demonstrate the problem.

What do I need to do to get things to work?  (Panic is starting
to set in.)

Thanks for any insight.

     cheers,

         Rolf Turner

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:31:17PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  
>  I'm not completely sure if I installed texlive using yum, or if texlive came
>  with the initial install of Fedora 17.  My vague recollection is that there
>  was
>  a latex facility that came with Fedora 17 but it was incomplete, and that
>  I did indeed do "yum install texlive" to fix things up.
>  
>  Now when I do "yum install texlive" it tells me that I have the latest
>  version
>  and that there is nothing to do. 
If disk space is not an issue, do "yum install texlive\*".  Otherwise do
"yum list texlive\*" and pick the packages you want to install.

FWIW, I think installing TeXLive from the iso from TUG is the most
reliable and easy to maintain.  I switched to this few years back and
have never looked back.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/11/13 17:03, Rolf Turner wrote:
>  Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
>  previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
>  switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
>
>  I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
>  by re-installing texlive.
>
>  I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
>
>      http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
>
>  unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
>
>      ./install.tl 
How had you installed texlive previously on F17?

Did you not install it with

yum install texlive

for a reason?

>  as per instructions.  I got an error message:
> > Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg /usr/local/lib64/perl5
> /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl
> /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
> > Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53. 
yum install perl-Digest-MD5 will get you Digest/MD5.pm

>  I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me.
>
>  I presume that I need to update *something* w.r.t. perl, but it is not at all
>  clear to me what I need to do.  Doing "yum search perl" gave a plethora of
>  hits.   I have no idea which are the relevant ones.  Then "yum search perl5"
>  basically turned up perl-pgsql_perl5.x86_64. What  has pgsql got to do with
>  the price of eggs in China?
>
>  Can anyone suggest what I need to do to remedy the problem?
>
>  I have no idea what extra information is relevant, so I have not tried
>  to provide any.  If some Good Samaritan would like more information
>  about my set-up, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to
>  supply it.
>
>  I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping lacunae
>  in my knowledge, so please be patient with me.
>
>      cheers,
>
>          Rolf Turner
>
>  P. S. I originally posted this query to texhax, but was told that this is a
>  Fedora issue not a texlive issue, and that I should post to this list.
>
>          R. T.
>
>
>  

-- 
> From now on, at least during winter time, Im going to blame all
> spelling an grammar erros on the cat sitting on my chest every time I sit down at the
> computer....

[Michael Schwendt]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:03:23 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote:

>  
>  Under Fedora 17 I recently had problems with running latex on a file that
>  previously (under Ubuntu) I had no difficulty with.  (A while back I had to
>  switch from Ubuntu to Fedora for reasons that I won't go into here.)
>  
>  I thought that perhaps I might be able to get rid of the flakiness
>  by re-installing texlive.
>  
>  I downloaded the install-tl-unx.tar.gz tarball from
>  
>  http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
>  
>  unpacked, changed directories appropriately and executed
>  
>       ./install.tl
>  
>  as per instructions.  I got an error message:
>  > Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./tlpkg 
>  > /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 
>  > /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl 
>  > /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .) at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 
>  > 199.
>  > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at tlpkg/TeXLive/TLUtils.pm line 199.
>  > Compilation failed in require at ./install-tl line 53.
>  > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./install-tl line 53.
>  
>  I looked at line 53 and it is opaque to me. 
Do you read from bottom to top? In the first line it says it cannot locate
Perl module Digest/MD5.pm, so that's what you should install first.
Package perl-Digest-MD5 (or whatever includes the needed module). You
may search remove package repositories with Yum or repoquery.

>  I am fairly computer/Linux/LaTeX literate, but there are gaping
> lacunae
>  in my knowledge, so please be patient with me. 
I would begin with using the TeX Live that is included with Fedora 17,
install optional packages as needed and don't mix with stuff installed
from source.

# yum list texlive\*|wc -l
4770

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