Mailman tutorial

[Robert Moskowitz]

I have never configured mailman.

My server is F12 and the mail setup is based on:  
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squ...

I have been running this mail setup for over a year and am happy with 
it.  Now I want to add mailman.  I have installed mailman on another 
system and am trying to figure this puppy out; it is not easy it seems.  
So I am looking for a decent tutorial (like the one referenced above).

Any help out there?

Solved -- Re: Mailman tutorial

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/25/2010 08:37 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>  On 11/25/2010 10:35 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>     
> > Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >
> >      
> >> I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was
> >> always automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I
> >> was looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like
> >> FC3-5).
> >>
> >>        
> > I usually find such howtos are filled with a lot of useless and/or
> > incorrect information.  Though not a lot has changed since FC5 (or
> > even FC3) regarding mailman's setup.
> >
> >      
>  Yes they vary a lot.  I tried a vanilla setup on my notebook, and the
>  create list script ran.  But on the server I want to run where I have to
>  use a virtual host, there I am getting problems.  I do have the
>  beginnings of linking things in. 
I got a response from the mailman list and am now up and working.

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/25/2010 10:35 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>  Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>     
> > I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was
> > always automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I
> > was looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like
> > FC3-5).
> >      
>  I usually find such howtos are filled with a lot of useless and/or
>  incorrect information.  Though not a lot has changed since FC5 (or
>  even FC3) regarding mailman's setup.
>      
Yes they vary a lot.  I tried a vanilla setup on my notebook, and the 
create list script ran.  But on the server I want to run where I have to 
use a virtual host, there I am getting problems.  I do have the 
beginnings of linking things in.

>  The documentation included in the mailman package is fairly good. 
> And
>  if it leaves you stuck at a particular point, you can always search
>  for help with just that step or ask in the mailman-users list.  (I
>  used to help out there a little, but one of the upstream developers
>  does a much better job of that task, so I haven't bothered to be very
>  active there in a long time.  It's a generally friendly and helpful
>  place.)
>
>  Start by reading /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT.  That
>  documents fairly well what steps you need to take to complete the
>  things that the rpm isn't quite able to automate for you.
>      
This is helping.  It helped me link the mailman.conf into amahi's 
1003-mailman.conf apache files that now have started things, but I still 
have to figure out the virtual host part right.

>  I'm a fan of postfix for the mail server, and mailman integrates
>  nicely with it.  It can also integrate nicely with exim, though I've
>  never used exim by choice.  Integrting it with sendmail is a bit more
>  work, but is possible.  (By integrating, I mostly mean that mailman
>  can help automate the task of adding the needed aliases for new
>  lists.) 
We used 
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squ...

as our template for http://wiki.amahi.org/index.php/Amahi_Mail_System.  
I have been running this on F10 (Amahi 4) for a year and now finally 
moving it to F12 while we are finishing up our F14 port.  Sheesh, I am 
trying to run a little faster.  But this setup has been working really 
well for me.  Thing is, we DON'T use the alias file, but all the 
addresses are in a mySQL database.  I will have to see how the 
integration will go.  Do I have mailman work with the alias file or have 
it update the users sql table?

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/25/2010 10:16 AM, Beartooth wrote:
>  On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:04:13 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>  	[....]
>     
> > I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was always
> > automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I was
> > looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like FC3-5).
> >      
>  	I don't have a tutorial for you; what I do have will be either
>  cold coffee, or even better than a tutorial.
>
>  	Among many other good things,
>
>  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
>
>  will give you a link to
>
>  http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/lists.html
>      
At first I thought this was yet another mailman list, but I see it is 
the URL in my history, it subscribes you to [e-mail]...  
So I await enlightenment from the list.  I am making headway, and 
hitting problems.

>  	My apologies if everything in those places is old hat to you. I
>  haven't been active there in donkey's years -- not since I realized that
>  it was all way over my head, but that I could moderate (though not
>  administer) Mailman lists without it.
>
>  	The one list of that time seemed unusually good, even as linux
>  lists go; and I'm sure the several which have replaced it will be equally
>  exemplary. 
I have admined lists in the past, but now I have the opportunity to run 
mailman and pick up a few coins for my efforts.  So here I go...

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/23/2010 12:13 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
>  On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 11:43 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>     
> > I have never configured mailman.
> >
> > My server is F12 and the mail setup is based on:
> >
> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squ...
> >
> > I have been running this mail setup for over a year and am happy with
> > it.  Now I want to add mailman.  I have installed mailman on another
> > system and am trying to figure this puppy out; it is not easy it seems.
> > So I am looking for a decent tutorial (like the one referenced above).
> >
> > Any help out there?
> >      
>  The docs in /usr/share/doc/mailman* will walk you though the process. 
I am starting on round 3...

I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was always 
automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I was 
looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like FC3-5).

[Chris Tyler]

On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 11:43 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>  I have never configured mailman.
>  
>  My server is F12 and the mail setup is based on:  
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-squ...
>  
>  I have been running this mail setup for over a year and am happy with 
>  it.  Now I want to add mailman.  I have installed mailman on another 
>  system and am trying to figure this puppy out; it is not easy it seems.  
>  So I am looking for a decent tutorial (like the one referenced above).
>  
>  Any help out there? 
The docs in /usr/share/doc/mailman* will walk you though the process.

-Chris

[Todd Zullinger]

Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>  I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was
>  always automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I
>  was looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like
>  FC3-5). 
I usually find such howtos are filled with a lot of useless and/or
incorrect information.  Though not a lot has changed since FC5 (or
even FC3) regarding mailman's setup.

The documentation included in the mailman package is fairly good.  And
if it leaves you stuck at a particular point, you can always search
for help with just that step or ask in the mailman-users list.  (I
used to help out there a little, but one of the upstream developers
does a much better job of that task, so I haven't bothered to be very
active there in a long time.  It's a generally friendly and helpful
place.)

Start by reading /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT.  That
documents fairly well what steps you need to take to complete the
things that the rpm isn't quite able to automate for you.

I'm a fan of postfix for the mail server, and mailman integrates
nicely with it.  It can also integrate nicely with exim, though I've
never used exim by choice.  Integrting it with sendmail is a bit more
work, but is possible.  (By integrating, I mostly mean that mailman
can help automate the task of adding the needed aliases for new
lists.)

-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There will always be death and taxes, but death doesn't get worse
every year.

[Beartooth]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:04:13 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
	[....]
>  I have never set up Apache to use a system with cgi-bin, it was
> always
>  automated for me. I can go on with 'new' stuff; that is why I was
>  looking for a RECENT tutorial (I am finding them for like FC3-5). 
	I don't have a tutorial for you; what I do have will be either 
cold coffee, or even better than a tutorial.

	Among many other good things, 

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html

will give you a link to 

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/lists.html

	My apologies if everything in those places is old hat to you. I 
haven't been active there in donkey's years -- not since I realized that 
it was all way over my head, but that I could moderate (though not 
administer) Mailman lists without it. 

	The one list of that time seemed unusually good, even as linux 
lists go; and I'm sure the several which have replaced it will be equally 
exemplary.

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User
I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.