Windows partition?

[Paul F. Johnson]

Hi,

I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
something working.

I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of
making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and
installing onto there.

I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive
rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or
am I going to trash things by doing it?

TTFN

Paul
-- 
Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through
the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened
and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the
handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair"

[Mauriat Miranda]

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Paul <paul(a)all-the-johnsons.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
>  have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  something working. 
I would recommend VirtualBox over qemu.  You don't need hardware
virtualization support in VB.  Or try KVM, but VB seems pretty easy to
setup.

>  I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking
> of
>  making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and
>  installing onto there. 
I would recommend NTFS over FAT32.  Keep in mind NTFS is read/write
supported in Fedora.

>  I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary
> drive
>  rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or
>  am I going to trash things by doing it? 
Be very careful.  I think XP will automatically write the NTLDR
(Windows boot system) to the primary drive and primary partition even
if you install elsewhere.  So you might possible destroy your Fedora
GRUB (your Fedora data/partitions should be safe).

You might consider unplugging the first drive when installing XP.  So
you don't accidentally overwrite something on the main drive.  That
being said it might be least destructive to have XP on the first
partition on the 2nd drive (assuming that's possible).

You can always later use GRUB to chainload.  Adding XP to boot from
GRUB is very simple 2 lines to '/boot/grub/grub.conf'

title Windows XP
        rootnoverify (hd1,0)
        chainloader +1

hd1 = 2nd drive (hd0 would be first)
0 = first partition

I have not done this in a long time, but was successful in the past.

-- 
Mauriat Miranda
http://www.mjmwired.net/linux

[Jerry Feldman]

On 04/01/2010 10:14 AM, Paul wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
>  have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  something working.
>
>  I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of
>  making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and
>  installing onto there.
>
>  I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive
>  rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or
>  am I going to trash things by doing it?
>
>     
I have Windows XP running under Virtualbox on my laptop (no
virtualization assist on the chip), as well as on my desktop. I have
used both KVM as well as Virtualbox (as I do present Virtualization on
the Desktop) to several Boston area user groups. My primary need for
running Windows was so that my wife could run RealPlayer superpass.
While there is a Linux native Realplayer, the authentication requires
MSIE, and the most recent realplayer that works under WINE or Crossover
Office is version 8). In my case, sound is mandatory, and I have had
success with both Virtualbox (64-bit) and KVM.  There are very few
reasons you need to run Windows native. If you do not have
virtualization enabled on your mother board, then I would strongly
suggest that you try Virtualbox. If you do have virtualization support
both in the CPU and the BIOS, then KVM is an excellent option.

-- 
Jerry Feldman <gaf(a)blu.org&gt;
Boston Linux and Unix
PGP key id: 537C5846
PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB  CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thursday 01 April 2010 10:48 AM, Paul wrote:
>  That said, I can't get -enable-kvm to be accepted as a command line
>  under qemu...
>  
I believe the command is `qemu-kvm <qemu_options>'. I would suggest 
using virt-manager or virsh. If you are using kvm, they provide you with 
a very easy to use interface. virt-manager is GUI interface and virsh is 
the command line interface.

>  TTFN
>
>  Paul
>  

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Paul F. Johnson]

Hi,

>  > I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24
> hours now. I
>  > have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  > Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  > something working.
>  
>  I would recommend VirtualBox over qemu.  You don't need hardware
>  virtualization support in VB.  Or try KVM, but VB seems pretty easy to
>  setup. 
Can't seem to install VB under rawhide...

That said, I can't get -enable-kvm to be accepted as a command line
under qemu...

TTFN

Paul
-- 
Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through
the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened
and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the
handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair"

[Gregory Hosler]

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On 04/01/2010 11:08 PM, Michal wrote:
>  
> >
> > You don't have the install cdrom ?
> >
>  
>  My friend had a problem with their laptop and the Vista Business key
>  sticker was on the back but they had no Vista Business CD. I simply
>  downloaded the CD. It does get a little difficult legally, I mean
>  anti-download groups could say "HE'S DOWNLOADING STUFF....BAN HIM!!!"
>  but actually I have the key and all I needed was the CD, so really there
>  is nothing illegal about that...but I am not clued up with this legal stuff 
My point was ...

If you have the cdrom (and, or course, the license key), it's really a no
brainer. Install off the cdrom WITHIN virt-manager into an image file, is
straight forward. QEMU if you don't have VT support, KVM if you do. All this
nonsense about mbr and grub and what not earlier this thread is completely
irrelevant because you're installing into a vm. The file itself *becomes* the "C
drive" ...

:-)

All the best,

- -Greg

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[Michal]

>  
>  You don't have the install cdrom ?
>   
My friend had a problem with their laptop and the Vista Business key
sticker was on the back but they had no Vista Business CD. I simply
downloaded the CD. It does get a little difficult legally, I mean
anti-download groups could say "HE'S DOWNLOADING STUFF....BAN HIM!!!"
but actually I have the key and all I needed was the CD, so really there
is nothing illegal about that...but I am not clued up with this legal stuff

[Gregory Hosler]

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On 04/01/2010 10:14 PM, Paul wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
>  have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  something working.
>  
>  I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of
>  making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and
>  installing onto there.
>  
>  I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive
>  rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or
>  am I going to trash things by doing it? 
You don't have the install cdrom ?

- -G

>  TTFN
>  
>  Paul
>   

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[Michal]

>  
>  Be very careful.  I think XP will automatically write the NTLDR
>  (Windows boot system) to the primary drive and primary partition even
>  if you install elsewhere.  So you might possible destroy your Fedora
>  GRUB (your Fedora data/partitions should be safe).
>  
>  You might consider unplugging the first drive when installing XP.  So
>  you don't accidentally overwrite something on the main drive.  That
>  being said it might be least destructive to have XP on the first
>  partition on the 2nd drive (assuming that's possible).
>  
>  You can always later use GRUB to chainload.  Adding XP to boot from
>  GRUB is very simple 2 lines to '/boot/grub/grub.conf'
>  
>  title Windows XP
>          rootnoverify (hd1,0)
>          chainloader +1
>  
>  hd1 = 2nd drive (hd0 would be first)
>  0 = first partition
>  
>  I have not done this in a long time, but was successful in the past.
>   
Normally, if you install *nix then install Windows, Windows will over
write the loader and you will end up with only XP booting, however it is
possible to recover by using a LiveCD. If you install XP then install
*nix you do not have this problem. I can't remember where I found the
article, it was either while searching for Ubuntu or Gentoo stuff, and
it is a little more involved then simply install windows first, but you
can do it

[Marvin Kosmal]

It has been a long time since I installed XP,

But, as I remember the only option I had at that time was the first hard drive..

Good luck with that..

You could check to see if you can change the boot disk in BIOS..

If so, you could select Operating System that way??

YMMV

Marvin



On 4/1/10, Paul <paul(a)all-the-johnsons.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
>  have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  something working.
>
>  I have a shed load of space on a secondary drive, so I was thinking of
>  making a 20Gb partition on it (as FAT32), booting from an XP disc and
>  installing onto there.
>
>  I don't know if it will be a problem installing to a secondary drive
>  rather than primary, so advise is needed here. Is it safe to do this or
>  am I going to trash things by doing it?
>
>  TTFN
>
>  Paul
>  --
>  Biggles was quietly reading his favourite book when Algy burst through
>  the door. Distracted for a moment, Biggles surveyed what had happened
>  and turned a page. "Algy old man" he said, clearing his throat, "use the
>  handle next time..." - Taken from "Biggles combs his Hair"
>

[Suvayu Ali]

On 1 April 2010 07:14, Paul <paul(a)all-the-johnsons.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I've been trying to install XP using qemu for almost 24 hours now. I
>  have one specific task that I need XP for (Winforms design). I can't get
>  Visual C# 2005 to work under Wine or Crossover Office so I need to get
>  something working.
>  
You don't say what problems you are having with qemu. I use XP with
KVM, except for sound everything just works[TM]. Just boot the vm with
the XP disc and follow the usual installation procedure for Windows
either with qemu-kvm (as root or with sudo) on the command line or
with the virt-manager gui.

GL

>  Paul
>  -- 
-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.