Re: Linux sucks

[Erik Hemdal]

> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> I am not trying to be biased but i was quit impress with the tools and
> >> SLA Microsoft has. And they solved our problem.
> > 
I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very curious about 
a couple of things:

1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an 
individual user?
2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer, 
what kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it cost?

For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need isn't 
going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly 
everywhere else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, "Office" 
work, and presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft support to be 
expensive and antagonistic to customers.  A recent experience bears this 
out.

I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  My 
friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of 
MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The Knowledge 
Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix for the 
problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to Microsoft 
and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix. 

The Microsoft technician has the discretion to decide whether to charge 
you Microsoft's fee for the consultation, but in any event, you pay for 
the phone call.   So no matter what you do, it will cost you money if 
you want your system to work.  My friend didn't do anything except 
install Service Pack 2, and her system went south.  Now her system is 
degraded and it will cost her to recover it. 

For those who are unhappy with the support one gets from the Linux 
community for free, I must ask: Is this kind of support worth paying 
for?  I am grateful for the support of this community.  You all do great 
things.

Erik

Linux sucks

[Kunal Shah]

Dont know about small business and individual user. As I said, usally
we dont pay much attaintion if we dont have things get done for
individual user. However for big corporate, this is the stretegy from
microsoft.

Regarding the response, i must say i was impress. That person was
knowing everything about how should a system / kernel behave in what
kind of situation.

Anyways, point of discussion is not how MS support is better then
Linux support or visaversa. Point of discussion is what is the reason
Linux is not that much impressive in huge organization ( i know linux
is widely being used in boing and some of the big organization), but
that is the question i am always being asked - on the support.


On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:03:32 -0500, Erik Hemdal <ehemdal(a)townisp.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  >>> Yes.
>  >>>
>  >>> I am not trying to be biased but i was quit impress with the tools and
>  >>> SLA Microsoft has. And they solved our problem.
>  >>
>  I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very curious about
>  a couple of things:
>  
>  1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an
>  individual user?
>  2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer,
>  what kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it cost?
>  
>  For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need isn't
>  going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly
>  everywhere else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, "Office"
>  work, and presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft support to be
>  expensive and antagonistic to customers.  A recent experience bears this
>  out.
>  
>  I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  My
>  friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of
>  MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The Knowledge
>  Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix for the
>  problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to Microsoft
>  and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix.
>  
>  The Microsoft technician has the discretion to decide whether to charge
>  you Microsoft's fee for the consultation, but in any event, you pay for
>  the phone call.   So no matter what you do, it will cost you money if
>  you want your system to work.  My friend didn't do anything except
>  install Service Pack 2, and her system went south.  Now her system is
>  degraded and it will cost her to recover it.
>  
>  For those who are unhappy with the support one gets from the Linux
>  community for free, I must ask: Is this kind of support worth paying
>  for?  I am grateful for the support of this community.  You all do great
>  things.
>  
>  Erik
>  
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Linux sucks

[Johnathan Bailes]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:11:45 -0500, Kunal Shah <kunalv.shah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Dont know about small business and individual user. As I said,
> usally
>  we dont pay much attaintion if we dont have things get done for
>  individual user. However for big corporate, this is the stretegy from
>  microsoft.
>  
>  Regarding the response, i must say i was impress. That person was
>  knowing everything about how should a system / kernel behave in what
>  kind of situation.
>  
>  Anyways, point of discussion is not how MS support is better then
>  Linux support or visaversa. Point of discussion is what is the reason
>  Linux is not that much impressive in huge organization ( i know linux
>  is widely being used in boing and some of the big organization), but
>  that is the question i am always being asked - on the support.
>  
>   
Once again ad nausem what is wrong with RH support?  Or even Suse
support for that matter even if I happen to personally dislike the
distro?

You speak as if community distros are the only ones available but you
have support from a company like RedHat that has gotten a great deal
of attention for driving to the corporate market plus you have a
company like Suse that is backed by Novell for goodness sakes.

Have you even examined these options?  

I have worked so far for three really huge corporations and in all of
those environments Linux was in use all over those organizations.

For one business unit primarily doing Unix development for both linux
and Solaris we even got the go ahead for linux desktop implementation
for the systems/network and programming staff.

You have options for corporate level support.  The key is whether or
not you have really examined these and why are pushing this bit of
tired old FUD about that has not been applicable since the advent of
corporate distros.

Linux sucks

[Jeff Vian]

On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 22:11 -0500, Kunal Shah wrote:
>  Dont know about small business and individual user. As I said,
> usally
>  we dont pay much attaintion if we dont have things get done for
>  individual user. However for big corporate, this is the stretegy from
>  microsoft.
>  
>  Regarding the response, i must say i was impress. That person was
>  knowing everything about how should a system / kernel behave in what
>  kind of situation.
>  
>  Anyways, point of discussion is not how MS support is better then
>  Linux support or visaversa. Point of discussion is what is the reason
>  Linux is not that much impressive in huge organization ( i know linux
>  is widely being used in boing and some of the big organization), but
>  that is the question i am always being asked - on the support.
>  
>   
AFAIK Linux per se is not supported.  

However, there are many organizations that do provide paid support for
Linux. RedHat is one, and if you use their RHEL or RHWS versions they
will gladly provide paid support for the individual or organization. 

The question of support is often, How much support do you need?  This
can range from none to once-in-a-while to 24X7.  The cost is based on
the amount of support needed.

As I understand it, for most organizations that use Linux, the overall
cost of support is much less than the licensing costs + support needed
for other proprietary OSes.

Linux is getting big in the corporate world for several reasons, not the
least of which is security.

>  On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:03:32 -0500, Erik Hemdal
> <ehemdal(a)townisp.com&gt; wrote:
>  > 
>  > >>> Yes.
>  > >>>
>  > >>> I am not trying to be biased but i was quit impress with the tools and
>  > >>> SLA Microsoft has. And they solved our problem.
>  > >>
>  > I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very curious about
>  > a couple of things:
>  > 
>  > 1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an
>  > individual user?
>  > 2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer,
>  > what kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it cost?
>  > 
>  > For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need isn't
>  > going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly
>  > everywhere else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, "Office"
>  > work, and presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft support to be
>  > expensive and antagonistic to customers.  A recent experience bears this
>  > out.
>  > 
>  > I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  My
>  > friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of
>  > MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The Knowledge
>  > Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix for the
>  > problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to Microsoft
>  > and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix.
>  > 
>  > The Microsoft technician has the discretion to decide whether to charge
>  > you Microsoft's fee for the consultation, but in any event, you pay for
>  > the phone call.   So no matter what you do, it will cost you money if
>  > you want your system to work.  My friend didn't do anything except
>  > install Service Pack 2, and her system went south.  Now her system is
>  > degraded and it will cost her to recover it.
>  > 
>  > For those who are unhappy with the support one gets from the Linux
>  > community for free, I must ask: Is this kind of support worth paying
>  > for?  I am grateful for the support of this community.  You all do great
>  > things.
>  > 
>  > Erik
>  > 
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>  >
>

Linux sucks

[Mark Weaver]

Kunal Shah wrote:
>  Dont know about small business and individual user. As I said,
> usally
>  we dont pay much attaintion if we dont have things get done for
>  individual user. However for big corporate, this is the stretegy from
>  microsoft.
>  
>  Regarding the response, i must say i was impress. That person was
>  knowing everything about how should a system / kernel behave in what
>  kind of situation.
>  
>  Anyways, point of discussion is not how MS support is better then
>  Linux support or visaversa. Point of discussion is what is the reason
>  Linux is not that much impressive in huge organization ( i know linux
>  is widely being used in boing and some of the big organization), but
>  that is the question i am always being asked - on the support.
>   
It begins to appear as though you're in an area where most of the 
businesses you're aquainted with are MS shops. It may be as simple as 
lifting your site's just a wee bit higher on the horizon of your circle 
of experience to see that there are a lot of businesses out there using 
Linux in the production as well as the development environment.

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Linux sucks

[Brian Fahrlander]

<Introjection>

    Ya know, if you want TRUE, GOOD hi-cap support, there's always IBM.
That big-iron is one long, sweet ride.  And who gives better support
than IBM?

</introjection (I don't work for'em, just learned to love'em) >

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Linux sucks

[David Curry]

Brian Fahrlander wrote:

> <Introjection>
>
>     Ya know, if you want TRUE, GOOD hi-cap support, there's always IBM.
> That big-iron is one long, sweet ride.  And who gives better support
> than IBM?
>
> </introjection (I don't work for'em, just learned to love'em) >
>
>   
>  
What has this thread contributed to understanding and development of 
Fedora?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

Can further discussion under this thread be taken off list?  PLEASEEEEEEE!

Linux sucks

[Mark Weaver]

David Curry wrote:
>  Brian Fahrlander wrote:
>  
> > <Introjection>
> >
> >    Ya know, if you want TRUE, GOOD hi-cap support, there's always IBM.
> > That big-iron is one long, sweet ride.  And who gives better support
> > than IBM?
> >
> > </introjection (I don't work for'em, just learned to love'em) >
> >
> >  
> >
>  What has this thread contributed to understanding and development of 
>  Fedora?  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
>  
>  Can further discussion under this thread be taken off list?  PLEASEEEEEEE!
>   
sure I guess it could easily be done, however haven't you yet discovered 
  "filters" - you know... like procmail, or the type found in the client 
app that you happen to be using to read your email.

just a thought.... grumpy... ;)

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Linux User Since 1996
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ICQ# 27816299

Linux sucks

[Peter Smith]

Sorry I'm so late...

RedHat has SLAs.
http://www.redhat.com/support/service/sla/
http://www.redhat.com/support/service/sla/rhel4.html

Peter

Kunal Shah wrote:

> Dont know about small business and individual user. As I said, usally
> we dont pay much attaintion if we dont have things get done for
> individual user. However for big corporate, this is the stretegy from
> microsoft.
>
> Regarding the response, i must say i was impress. That person was
> knowing everything about how should a system / kernel behave in what
> kind of situation.
>
> Anyways, point of discussion is not how MS support is better then
> Linux support or visaversa. Point of discussion is what is the reason
> Linux is not that much impressive in huge organization ( i know linux
> is widely being used in boing and some of the big organization), but
> that is the question i am always being asked - on the support.
>
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:03:32 -0500, Erik Hemdal <ehemdal(a)townisp.com&gt; wrote:
>   
>
> >>>>Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>>I am not trying to be biased but i was quit impress with the tools and
> >>>>SLA Microsoft has. And they solved our problem.
> >>>>          
> >>>>
> >I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very curious about
> >a couple of things:
> >
> >1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an
> >individual user?
> >2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer,
> >what kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it cost?
> >
> >For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need isn't
> >going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly
> >everywhere else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, "Office"
> >work, and presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft support to be
> >expensive and antagonistic to customers.  A recent experience bears this
> >out.
> >
> >I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  My
> >friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of
> >MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The Knowledge
> >Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix for the
> >problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to Microsoft
> >and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix.
> >
> >The Microsoft technician has the discretion to decide whether to charge
> >you Microsoft's fee for the consultation, but in any event, you pay for
> >the phone call.   So no matter what you do, it will cost you money if
> >you want your system to work.  My friend didn't do anything except
> >install Service Pack 2, and her system went south.  Now her system is
> >degraded and it will cost her to recover it.
> >
> >For those who are unhappy with the support one gets from the Linux
> >community for free, I must ask: Is this kind of support worth paying
> >for?  I am grateful for the support of this community.  You all do great
> >things.
> >
> >Erik
> >

Linux sucks

[Felipe Alfaro Solana]

>  I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very
> curious 
>  about a couple of things:
>
>  1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an 
>  individual user?
>  2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer, 
>  what kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it 
>  cost?
>
>  For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need 
>  isn't going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly 
>  everywhere else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, 
>  "Office" work, and presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft 
>  support to be expensive and antagonistic to customers.  A recent 
>  experience bears this out.
>
>  I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  
>  My friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of 
>  MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The 
>  Knowledge Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix 
>  for the problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to 
>  Microsoft and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix. 
This is the kind of "assurance" Microsoft does offer to customers: pay 
us for our faulty software. And they feel proud about it when they say 
Linux offers no protection or assurance. Ouch.

Linux sucks

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 12:48 +0100, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:

>  > I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is
> needed.  
>  > My friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of 
>  > MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The 
>  > Knowledge Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix 
>  > for the problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to 
>  > Microsoft and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix.
>  
>  This is the kind of "assurance" Microsoft does offer to customers: pay 
>  us for our faulty software. And they feel proud about it when they say 
>  Linux offers no protection or assurance. Ouch. 
No. You are comparing apples and
oranges.

Fedora doesn't offer such protection and assurance.

You'd have to buy a "commercial Linux distro" and pay somebody for such
assurance.

Ralf

Linux sucks

[Felipe Alfaro Solana]

On 14 Feb 2005, at 12:59, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

>  On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 12:48 +0100, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote:
>
> >> I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.
> >> My friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of
> >> MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The
> >> Knowledge Base article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix
> >> for the problem.  But to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call 
> >> to
> >> Microsoft and pay the charge for a service call to obtain the fix.
> >
> > This is the kind of "assurance" Microsoft does offer to customers: pay
> > us for our faulty software. And they feel proud about it when they say
> > Linux offers no protection or assurance. Ouch.
>  
>  No. You are comparing apples and oranges.
>
>  Fedora doesn't offer such protection and assurance 
I never made any mention about a concrete Linux distribution. I was 
talking about MS feeling proud of their "support".

>  You'd have to buy a "commercial Linux distro" and pay
> somebody for such
>  assurance. 
Yep, that's pretty clear: Fedora is aimed to enthusiasts and people not 
willing to pay for support. RHEL, SLES and others are aimed at the 
enterprise customer.

Linux sucks

[Don Dupy]

I too am grateful for all the help I have gotten.
I use Linux on 3 out of my 4 machines, and I am not turning back.

I have sucessfully managed to set up a server that has done nothing but 
sit there and work.......day after day. Granted, it doesn't work very 
hard, but it could....... I have a fedora laptop that works like a top.
I have a linux based firewall that does it's job day after day as well. 
(It also runs a VPN connection to the office I work at.)

When it comes to production machines, I have complete faith in the Linux 
community that they are there to help and support the product.

They have supported me and I will support anyone that I can help.



On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Erik Hemdal wrote:

> >>> Yes.
> >>> 
> >>> I am not trying to be biased but i was quit impress with the tools and
> >>> SLA Microsoft has. And they solved our problem.
> >> 
>  I'm desperately trying to avoid a flame war, but I am very curious about a 
>  couple of things:
>
>  1.  What kind of SLA will Microsoft offer to a small business or an 
>  individual user?
>  2.  For the case above, where the poster spoke to a kernel developer, what 
>  kind of response was promised in the SLA and how much did it cost?
>
>  For the record, I use Windows, because a specific toolchain I need isn't 
>  going to be ported to Linux.  But where I can (which is nearly everywhere 
>  else), I use Fedora, in fact, I do most of my email, "Office" work, and 
>  presentations using Linux.  I've found Microsoft support to be expensive and 
>  antagonistic to customers.  A recent experience bears this out.
>
>  I have an issue working for a friend now where MS support is needed.  My 
>  friend entered "DLL Purgatory" because of a defect in a version of 
>  MSVCRT.DLL, used by just about everything on the system.  The Knowledge Base 
>  article which discloses the defect announces a hotfix for the problem.  But 
>  to get the hotfix, one must place a toll call to Microsoft and pay the charge 
>  for a service call to obtain the fix. 
>  The Microsoft technician has the discretion to decide whether to charge you 
>  Microsoft's fee for the consultation, but in any event, you pay for the phone 
>  call.   So no matter what you do, it will cost you money if you want your 
>  system to work.  My friend didn't do anything except install Service Pack 2, 
>  and her system went south.  Now her system is degraded and it will cost her 
>  to recover it. 
>  For those who are unhappy with the support one gets from the Linux community 
>  for free, I must ask: Is this kind of support worth paying for?  I am 
>  grateful for the support of this community.  You all do great things.
>
>  Erik
>
>  
-- 
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FC1 - Kernel 2.4.22 - Dell Poweredge 600SC
http://www.maxxrad.net
email: fedora(a)maxxrad.net

Linux sucks

[Rick Stevens]

Don Dupy wrote:
>  I too am grateful for all the help I have gotten.
>  I use Linux on 3 out of my 4 machines, and I am not turning back.
>  
>  I have sucessfully managed to set up a server that has done nothing but 
>  sit there and work.......day after day. Granted, it doesn't work very 
>  hard, but it could....... I have a fedora laptop that works like a top.
>  I have a linux based firewall that does it's job day after day as well. 
>  (It also runs a VPN connection to the office I work at.) 
How about:

[root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
  14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15, 0.16

That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
to take it down to replace it.

>  When it comes to production machines, I have complete faith in the
> Linux 
>  community that they are there to help and support the product.
>  
>  They have supported me and I will support anyone that I can help. 
Hear, hear!  Our entire Unix-sh backend stuff is all Linux (RH7.x,
FC1/2/3).  We chucked the HP/UX and Solaris machines over two years ago.
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Linux sucks

[Kumara Jayaweera]

Wonderful!

Congratulations!
Mohan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Stevens" <rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt;
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Linux sucks


>  Don Dupy wrote:
>  > I too am grateful for all the help I have gotten.
>  > I use Linux on 3 out of my 4 machines, and I am not turning back.
>  >
>  > I have sucessfully managed to set up a server that has done nothing but
>  > sit there and work.......day after day. Granted, it doesn't work very
>  > hard, but it could....... I have a fedora laptop that works like a top.
>  > I have a linux based firewall that does it's job day after day as well.
>  > (It also runs a VPN connection to the office I work at.)
>
>  How about:
>
>  [root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
>    14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15, 0.16
>
>  That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
>  It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
>  to take it down to replace it.
>
>  > When it comes to production machines, I have complete faith in the Linux
>  > community that they are there to help and support the product.
>  >
>  > They have supported me and I will support anyone that I can help.
>
>  Hear, hear!  Our entire Unix-sh backend stuff is all Linux (RH7.x,
>  FC1/2/3).  We chucked the HP/UX and Solaris machines over two years ago.
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Linux sucks

[thomas cameron]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Stevens" <rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt;
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Linux sucks


>  How about:
>
>  [root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
>   14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15, 0.16
>
>  That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
>  It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
>  to take it down to replace it. 
Or this (granted it's not FC, it's RHL 7):

[root@firewall /root]# uptime
 11:48pm  up 84 days, 21:49,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Not too impressed with 84 days?  Well consider this - this machine rolled 
over at the 497 day mark.  This machine has actually been up 581 days 
without a reboot!  All I've done on this machine is upgrade OpenSSH and 
restart the sshd service.  So the TCO for this machine for the last, oh, 19 
months has been about 2 hours of my time and the electricity it draws. 
Period.

I *love* Linux.

Thomas

Linux sucks

[Kumara Jayaweera]

Congratulations! once again!

it is the power of Linux
Share your experience with the list
We are always happy to see those things

Mohan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron(a)camerontech.com&gt;
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Linux sucks


>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Rick Stevens" <rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt;
>  To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>
>
>  > How about:
>  >
>  > [root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
>  >  14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15, 0.16
>  >
>  > That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
>  > It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
>  > to take it down to replace it.
>
>  Or this (granted it's not FC, it's RHL 7):
>
>  [root@firewall /root]# uptime
>   11:48pm  up 84 days, 21:49,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>
>  Not too impressed with 84 days?  Well consider this - this machine rolled
>  over at the 497 day mark.  This machine has actually been up 581 days
>  without a reboot!  All I've done on this machine is upgrade OpenSSH and
>  restart the sshd service.  So the TCO for this machine for the last, oh, 
19
>  months has been about 2 hours of my time and the electricity it
> draws.
>  Period.
>
>  I *love* Linux.
>
>  Thomas
>
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>  To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
>
>

Linux sucks

[Piero]

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-
>  bounces(a)redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kumara
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:44 PM
>  To: For users of Fedora Core releases
>  Cc: pradeep.hettiarachchi(a)damad.com
>  Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>  
>  Congratulations! once again!
>  
>  it is the power of Linux
>  Share your experience with the list
>  We are always happy to see those things
>  
>  Mohan
>  
>  
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron(a)camerontech.com&gt;
>  To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:55 AM
>  Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>  
>  
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Rick Stevens" <rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt;
>  > To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:35 PM
>  > Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>  >
>  >
>  > > How about:
>  > >
>  > > [root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
>  > >  14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15,
>  0.16
>  > >
>  > > That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
>  > > It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
>  > > to take it down to replace it.
>  >
>  > Or this (granted it's not FC, it's RHL 7):
>  >
>  > [root@firewall /root]# uptime
>  >  11:48pm  up 84 days, 21:49,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  >
>  > Not too impressed with 84 days?  Well consider this - this machine
>  rolled
>  > over at the 497 day mark.  This machine has actually been up 581 days
>  > without a reboot!  All I've done on this machine is upgrade OpenSSH and
>  > restart the sshd service.  So the TCO for this machine for the last, oh,
>  19
>  > months has been about 2 hours of my time and the electricity it draws.
>  > Period.
>  >
>  > I *love* Linux. 

[root@serv01 ~]# uptime
  7:44pm  up 215 days, 22:53,  1 user,  load average: 0.42, 0.75, 0.76

Linux sucks

[Chadley Wilson]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:44, Kumara wrote:

Top post shoot me:

I have a p1 box running as a router, it is legless and headless and I don't 
even remeber which box it is. Probably the one in the server room under the 
baords!
Lets see

[root@prodgw root]# uptime
 20:47:33  up 1362 days, 55 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[root@prodgw root]#       

Shit that scary,
 where is it I must probably blow the dust of it before it crashes due to 
hardware failure.

Shit and I am routig through it right now, I suppose the masses have gone home 
since it is night here, so theres no load on it!




               
>  Congratulations! once again!
>
>  it is the power of Linux
>  Share your experience with the list
>  We are always happy to see those things
>
>  Mohan
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Thomas Cameron" <thomas.cameron(a)camerontech.com&gt;
>  To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:55 AM
>  Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Rick Stevens" <rstevens(a)vitalstream.com&gt;
>  > To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:35 PM
>  > Subject: Re: Linux sucks
>  >
>  > > How about:
>  > >
>  > > [root@smtp-01-001 root]# uptime
>  > >  14:01:48  up 295 days,  1:51,  2 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.15,
>  > > 0.16
>  > >
>  > > That's on a mail server (FC1) that handles about 4M messages a day.
>  > > It'd have a longer uptime but one of the RAM sticks blew up and I had
>  > > to take it down to replace it.
>  >
>  > Or this (granted it's not FC, it's RHL 7):
>  >
>  > [root@firewall /root]# uptime
>  >  11:48pm  up 84 days, 21:49,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  >
>  > Not too impressed with 84 days?  Well consider this - this machine rolled
>  > over at the 497 day mark.  This machine has actually been up 581 days
>  > without a reboot!  All I've done on this machine is upgrade OpenSSH and
>  > restart the sshd service.  So the TCO for this machine for the last, oh,
>
>  19
>
>  > months has been about 2 hours of my time and the electricity it draws.
>  > Period.
>  >
>  > I *love* Linux.
>  >
>  > Thomas
>  >
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>  > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list 
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Cert Number: 603004708291270
Pinnacle Micro
Manufacturers of Proline Computers
Proudly South African
ISO9001:2000 Certified Production Line
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LINUX - becuase I can do it my way.
========================================

Linux sucks

[Michael]

Chadley Wilson wrote:
>  On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:44, Kumara wrote:
>  
>  Top post shoot me:
>  
>  I have a p1 box running as a router, it is legless and headless and I don't 
>  even remeber which box it is. Probably the one in the server room under the 
>  baords!
>  Lets see
>  
>  [root@prodgw root]# uptime
>   20:47:33  up 1362 days, 55 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  [root@prodgw root]#       
>  
>  Shit that scary,
>   where is it I must probably blow the dust of it before it crashes due to 
>  hardware failure.
>  
>  Shit and I am routig through it right now, I suppose the masses have gone home 
>  since it is night here, so theres no load on it! 
That is scary.

Short of the occasional reboot due to a kernel upgrade, the box never
gets rebooted, and the only problems I ever encounter are my own stupidity.

I *love* linux!

Linux sucks

[thomas cameron]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 21:02 +0000, Chadley Wilson wrote:
>  On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:44, Kumara wrote:
>  
>  Top post shoot me:
>  
>  I have a p1 box running as a router, it is legless and headless and I don't 
>  even remeber which box it is. Probably the one in the server room under the 
>  baords!
>  Lets see
>  
>  [root@prodgw root]# uptime
>   20:47:33  up 1362 days, 55 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  [root@prodgw root]#       
>  
>  Shit that scary,
>   where is it I must probably blow the dust of it before it crashes due to 
>  hardware failure.
>  
>  Shit and I am routig through it right now, I suppose the masses have gone home 
>  since it is night here, so theres no load on it! 
IIRC P1 boxes have the jiffies bug and roll over to 0 at 497 days.  What
distro is that?

Thomas

Linux sucks

[Chadley Wilson]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 20:03, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>  On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 21:02 +0000, Chadley Wilson wrote:
>  > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:44, Kumara wrote:
>  >
>  > Top post shoot me:
>  >
>  > I have a p1 box running as a router, it is legless and headless and I
>  > don't even remeber which box it is. Probably the one in the server room
>  > under the baords!
>  > Lets see
>  >
>  > [root@prodgw root]# uptime
>  >  20:47:33  up 1362 days, 55 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00,
>  > 0.00 [root@prodgw root]#
>  >
>  > Shit that scary,
>  >  where is it I must probably blow the dust of it before it crashes due to
>  > hardware failure.
>  >
>  > Shit and I am routig through it right now, I suppose the masses have gone
>  > home since it is night here, so theres no load on it!
>
>  IIRC P1 boxes have the jiffies bug and roll over to 0 at 497 days.  What
>  distro is that?
>
>  Thomas 
IIRC the box was built and setup by someone else about 4 years ago, 
It was a linux from scratch box.

I still cant find it.







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Chadley Wilson
Redhat Certified Technician
Cert Number: 603004708291270
Pinnacle Micro
Manufacturers of Proline Computers
Proudly South African
ISO9001:2000 Certified Production Line
=======================================
LINUX - becuase I can do it my way.
========================================

Linux sucks

[Brian Fahrlander]

On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 21:02 +0000, Chadley Wilson wrote:
>  On Tuesday 15 February 2005 18:44, Kumara wrote:
>  
>  Top post shoot me:
>  
>  I have a p1 box running as a router, it is legless and headless and I don't 
>  even remeber which box it is. Probably the one in the server room under the 
>  baords!
>  Lets see
>  
>  [root@prodgw root]# uptime
>   20:47:33  up 1362 days, 55 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  [root@prodgw root]#       
>  
>  Shit that scary,
>   where is it I must probably blow the dust of it before it crashes due to 
>  hardware failure.
>  
>  Shit and I am routig through it right now, I suppose the masses have gone home 
>  since it is night here, so theres no load on it! 
    I've done that, with a print server I once set up, named "Oak".  Oak
was installed when I started at a job in Chicago, ran flawlessly for the
3-4 years, and as far as I know, it's working to this day...I'd
forgotten about it, to.

    ...and that was Redhat 6.

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