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> 1. (no subject) (Don Vogt)
> 2. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (Rahul Sundaram)
> 3. Re: (Steven Stern)
> 4. Re: N wifi broke after kernel update (Mail Lists)
> 5. (charles zeitler)
> 6. Re: (Rahul Sundaram)
> 7. Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play (Aram J. Agajanian)
> 8. Re: gedit ...cannot create backup !!! (Aram J. Agajanian)
> 9. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (suvayu ali)
> 10. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (Marcel Rieux)
> 11. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (Craig White)
> 12. Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play (Temlakos)
> 13. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (Craig White)
> 14. Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story? (Marcel Rieux)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Vogt <dnvot(a)yahoo.com>
> To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:13:55 +0200
> > From: David Garc?a Granda <dgranda(a)gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run
> > To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > ??? <g2z7e5980ea1004011213y149d30aayac5e5e72f5d92860(a)mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Don,
> >
> > > Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to
> > firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a
> > notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes
> > blank.
> >
> > Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs
> > fine...
> >
> > > I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned
> > "can't load XPCOM"
> > > I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in
> > /usr/lib/VirtualBox and
> > /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm
> >
> > Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can
> > make the difference.
> >
> > > I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to
> > run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop.
> > > ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was
> > installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect
> > the problem is between firefox and xulrunner.
> >
> > I think the problem here is VirtualBox.
>
>
> OK, I will try to remove VirtualBox, if I can figure out how
>
>
>
> > > ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12
> > for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help or
> > advice would be appreciated.
> >
> > Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from
> > VirtualBox
> > conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not
> > compatible
> > from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one.
>
> I will see what I can figure out about the related files
>
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:20:42 -0700
> > From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run
> > To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > ??? <x2gfe3123491004011420o703df7bkad7c5b3dcfde3c12(a)mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On 1 April 2010 12:13, David Garc?a Granda <dgranda(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Don,
> > >
> > >> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and
> > to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a
> > notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes
> > blank.
> > >
> > > Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox
> > runs fine...
> > >
> > >> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it
> > returned "can't load XPCOM"
> > >> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files
> > in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and
> > /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm
> > >
> > > Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this
> > can make the difference.
> > >
> > >> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying
> > to run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop.
> > >> ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was
> > installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect
> > the problem is between firefox and xulrunner.
> > >
> > > I think the problem here is VirtualBox.
> > >
> >
> > It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most
> > unlikely"
> > packages before going through the proper troubleshooting
> > steps. I
> > don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my
> > system.
> > xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and
> > configuration.
> > (at least that is what I know)
> >
> > $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ? dependency: libxul.so()(64bit)
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ? dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ? dependency: libxul.so()(64bit)
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> > ???provider: xulrunner.i586
> > 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >
> > >> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using
> > fc12 for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help
> > or advice would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related
> > from VirtualBox
> > > conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something
> > not compatible
> > > from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one.
> > >
>
>
>
>
> > The OP should first try
> > 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and
> > see whether
> > any of the add-ons are to blame.
>
> Did that - no change
>
> > 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock
> > files for firefox.
> >
> > $ cd ~/.mozilla
> > $ find -type f -name '*lock'
> >
> > If any are found delete them and try again.
>
> found .parentlock files in each profile. Deleted them and got the same result (
unable to load XPCOM)
> 3. If none of the above works try creating a new user and
> > start firefox there.
>
> Created a new user and opened a terminal to run firefox again "unable to load
XPCOM"
> >
> > And finally if none of the above work appeal to the
> > collective
> > knowledge of the list with the results from the above.
> >
> >
>
> OK I will attack VirtualBox to see if I can glean any info about dependencies and the
look at removing it
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:40:26 +0530
> From: Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
> To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Message-ID: <4BB527E2.6060701(a)gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 04/02/2010 04:36 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Sam Sharpe <lists.redhat(a)samsharpe.net> said:
> >
> >> I believe that diverting resources into maintaining older releases
> >> does not further any of the Foundations. It takes resources away from
> >> further the last two principles.
> >>
> > I would say that pushing major updates to older releases takes more
> > resources, not less (at least if it is done correctly, with proper
> > testing on each release).
> >
>
> This really depends on the nature of the package and what problems the
> update solves. I generally prefer not pushing in "major" updates but I
> elected to do so for Transmission bittorrent client because magnet link
> support was in high demand (TPB switched to using it) and it fixed quite
> a number of important bugs that were being reported via ABRT, not to
> mention security and data loss issues. The other option would have been
> selective backporting which would have certainly been much more work and
> upstream projects don't necessarily support that approach.
>
> The right answer is - it depends.
>
> Rahul
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:18:52 -0500
> From: Steven Stern <subscribed-lists(a)sterndata.com>
> Subject: Re:
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Cc: Don Vogt <dnvot(a)yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <4BB529DC.3090809(a)sterndata.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
>
> On 04/01/2010 06:10 PM, Don Vogt wrote:
> > -----------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 21:13:55 +0200
> >> From: David Garc?a Granda <dgranda(a)gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run
> >> To: Community support for Fedora users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <g2z7e5980ea1004011213y149d30aayac5e5e72f5d92860(a)mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Hi Don,
> >>
> >>> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and to
> >> firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a
> >> notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes
> >> blank.
> >>
> >> Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox runs
> >> fine...
> >>
> >>> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it returned
> >> "can't load XPCOM"
> >>> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files in
> >> /usr/lib/VirtualBox and
> >> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm
> >>
> >> Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this can
> >> make the difference.
> >>
> >>> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying to
> >> run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop.
> >>> ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was
> >> installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect
> >> the problem is between firefox and xulrunner.
> >>
> >> I think the problem here is VirtualBox.
> >
> >
> > OK, I will try to remove VirtualBox, if I can figure out how
> >
> >
> >
> >>> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using fc12
> >> for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help or
> >> advice would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related from
> >> VirtualBox
> >> conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something not
> >> compatible
> >> from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one.
> >
> > I will see what I can figure out about the related files
> >
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >> Message: 13
> >> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:20:42 -0700
> >> From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: New Firefox Won't run
> >> To: Community support for Fedora users
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <x2gfe3123491004011420o703df7bkad7c5b3dcfde3c12(a)mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> On 1 April 2010 12:13, David Garc?a Granda <dgranda(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi Don,
> >>>
> >>>> Yesterday I updated to kernel 2.6.32.9.70 fc12 and
> >> to firefox-3.5.9-1.fc12 and now firefox won't start. I get a
> >> notice in the bottom bar for a few seconds and then it goes
> >> blank.
> >>>
> >>> Strange, I have the same package versions and firefox
> >> runs fine...
> >>>
> >>>> I tried starting firefox in a terminal and it
> >> returned "can't load XPCOM"
> >>>> I tried 'locate XPCOM' and it returned some files
> >> in /usr/lib/VirtualBox and
> >> /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm
> >>>
> >>> Uhmmm... I don't have virtualbox installed, so this
> >> can make the difference.
> >>>
> >>>> I have VirtualBox installed, but I am not trying
> >> to run firefox in virtualBox, but on the desktop.
> >>>> ?I just found that xulrunner-1.9.1.9-1.fc12 was
> >> installed at the same time as the new firefox so I suspect
> >> the problem is between firefox and xulrunner.
> >>>
> >>> I think the problem here is VirtualBox.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It is improper methodology to start blaming other "most
> >> unlikely"
> >> packages before going through the proper troubleshooting
> >> steps. I
> >> don't have VBox installed and that file is there in my
> >> system.
> >> xulrunner is what firefox uses for all of its UI and
> >> configuration.
> >> (at least that is what I know)
> >>
> >> $ yum deplist firefox | grep xul
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> dependency: libxul.so()(64bit)
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> dependency: xulrunner >= 1.9.1.9
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.i586 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> dependency: libxul.so()(64bit)
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1.9-1.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.x86_64
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >> provider: xulrunner.i586
> >> 1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11
> >>
> >>>> ?I don't know what to try next. I have been using
> >> fc12 for a long time successfully for quite a while Any help
> >> or advice would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Is it possible for you to check if XPCOM files related
> >> from VirtualBox
> >>> conflict with Firefox/xulrunner ones?. Maybe something
> >> not compatible
> >>> from VirtualBox is loaded instead of the right one.
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> The OP should first try
> >> 1. starting firefox in safe mode `firefox -safe-mode' and
> >> see whether
> >> any of the add-ons are to blame.
> >
> > Did that - no change
> >
> >> 2. If that doesn't work, try looking for unreleased lock
> >> files for firefox.
> >>
> >> $ cd ~/.mozilla
> >> $ find -type f -name '*lock'
> >>
> >> If any are found delete them and try again.
> >
> > found .parentlock files in each profile. Deleted them and got the same result (
unable to load XPCOM)
> > 3. If none of the above works try creating a new user and
> >> start firefox there.
> >
> > Created a new user and opened a terminal to run firefox again "unable to
load XPCOM"
> >>
> >> And finally if none of the above work appeal to the
> >> collective
> >> knowledge of the list with the results from the above.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > OK I will attack VirtualBox to see if I can glean any info about dependencies
and the look at removing it
> >
> >
> >
> I have VirtualBox installed and am having no problems with Firefox.
>
> --
> -- Steve
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:57:16 -0400
> From: Mail Lists <lists(a)sapience.com>
> Subject: Re: N wifi broke after kernel update
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4BB532DC.9060705(a)sapience.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 03/31/2010 09:15 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
> >
> > Wireless stopped working after latest kernel update.
>
> ...
>
> >
> > Filed bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578663
> >
>
> Happy to report this has already been fixed (thank you john
> linville!!) in the 2.6.32.10-94.fc12 kernel build available in koji.
>
> gene
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 17:57:42 -0600
> From: charles zeitler <cfzeitler(a)gmail.com>
> To: fedora-users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID:
> <h2t2d6d70f11004011657h94c349b6j5879b946dcd91560(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> --
> Do what thou wilt
> shall be the whole of the Law.
>
> 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free software
)
>
> 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ?
> (there is already "current" "next" "previous" and
"eol")
>
> charles zeitler
>
> Love is the law, love under will.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:26:18 +0530
> From: Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re:
> To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Message-ID: <4BB540B2.30600(a)gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 04/02/2010 05:27 AM, charles zeitler wrote:
> > --
> > Do what thou wilt
> > shall be the whole of the Law.
> >
> > 1) "free and open source software" is redundant ( if it's free
software )
> >
>
> Not quite. FOSS is a umbrella term and using it is one way of avoiding
> the free beer vs freedom confusion
>
> > 2) does fedora need a "stable release" ?
> > (there is already "current" "next" "previous"
and "eol")
> >
>
> Previous and current are "stable" releases. Next is the development
> branch.
>
> Rahul
>
> Ps: Remember to fill up the subject line
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:23:31 -0400
> From: "Aram J. Agajanian" <agajan(a)pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: Fox News Channels videos won't play
> To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Message-ID: <20100401212331.1dad1161@pc01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:49:27 -0400
> Temlakos <temlakos(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've come back to this issue of the Fox News Channel videos not
> > wanting to play, because perhaps I have some more information that
> > might provide a clue.
> >
> > Fox News Channel hosts a number of videos, and provides an embedding
> > link to each one. About an hour ago, I went to find one. When my
> > Fedora 12/Firefox 3.5.8 setup wouldn't play nice, I went to another
> > machine that had Windows XP on it. I was able to play the video
> > there, and to get the embedding script. I got it and pasted it into
> > an article I wrote.
> >
> > And when I went to display my article, guess what? The video wouldn't
> > play.
> >
>
> I am using flash 10.0.45.2 (64 bit) and Fedora 11 (with Firefox 3.5.9).
>
> Fox News videos wouldn't play until I uninstalled
> nspluginwrapper.x86_64.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:30:31 -0400
> From: "Aram J. Agajanian" <agajan(a)pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: gedit ...cannot create backup !!!
> To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Message-ID: <20100401213031.5edd4812@pc01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:38:23 +0530
> Jatin K <ssh.fedora(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > suddenly I'm getting this error whenever I try to edit a text file
> > and click save button
> >
> > " Could not create a backup file while saving /path/to/file.txt"
> > gedit could not backup the old copy of the file before saving the new
> > one.You can ignore this warning and save the file anyway.
> > but if an error occurs while saving , you could lose the old copy of
> > the file. Save anyway ?"
> >
> >
> > yesterday, everything was ok.. and this morning I'm getting this
> >
> > whats wrong with gedit ?? can anyone help me ?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
>
> I've seen this error message from gedit when trying to save on network
> filesystems where the uids are not mapped. When using sshfs, the
> following option can help:
>
> -o idmap=user
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:45:34 -0700
> From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID:
> <r2gfe3123491004011845sa4f29a3dt9b11f3801d14b192(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 1 April 2010 15:35, Craig White <craigwhite(a)azapple.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 15:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> >> On 1 April 2010 14:46, Craig White <craigwhite(a)azapple.com> wrote:
> >> > Red Hat is a different company, has their own mail lists, their own
> >> > software packaging, etc. This has nothing to do with Fedora.
> >> >
> >>
> >> And I recently learned they don't even use yum! :-o
> > ----
> > well RHEL 4 doesn't but RHEL 5 does.
> >
> > You can install yum from CentOS 4 on RHEL 4 systems but you have to be
> > vigilant about where packages are being installed from because RHEL 4
> > doesn't have repo information for yum.
> >
>
> Thanks for correcting me. :) Learned something new again! I deal with
> Scientific Linux 4 and 5 systems on a regular basis, hence my surprise
> about this piece of information. Any particular reason for this
> difference?
>
> > Craig
> >
>
> PS: I know my questions are probably OT, but its better than a flame
> war on a vaguely relevant thread. ;)
>
> --
> Suvayu
>
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:02:34 -0400
> From: Marcel Rieux <m.z.rieux(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: FPL steps down: what's the real story?
> To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
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> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Craig White <craigwhite(a)azapple.com> wrote:
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> > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 17:23 -0400, Marcel Rieux wrote:
> >
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> > as far as I can tell, you seem to be the only one confused about Red
> > Hat/Fedora. Fedora is a completely separate entity with its own
> > management, resources, servers though clearly it was incubated using
> > resources supplied by Red Hat.
> >
>
> Aaaah! So you found them! All along my research, I've been looking for the
> Fedora statutes. Normally, this document should be linked to the home
> page... and I couldn't find it! The best I could get was the composition of
> the board.
>
> So, let's talk. Where are the statutes, where you learned that Fedora is a
> completely separate entity?
>