Re: How to generate č (c-hachek) in KDE

[kwhiskerz]

I don't speak Czech, but I experimented on my keyboard. Mine is set to pc105, 
us intl (acentos) layout, both in xorg.conf and KDE Control Centre Keyboard 
Layout. You really only need the latter, but defining it in xorg.conf means 
all X programs know about the keyboard.

Type AltGr-Shift->, which produces a dead hachek, then type either lower or 
upper case 'c'. Voilà! AltGr is the right Alt key. Typing AltGr-Shift-> twice 
types the hachek without a letter underneath. All the dead keys work like 
this.

If you want to configure xorg.conf, this is what I have (adjust for your 
keyboard, but this is pretty generic):
Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Keyboard0"
        Driver      "kbd"
        Option      "Xleds" "1 2 3"
        Option      "XkbModel" "pc105"
        Option      "XkbLayout" "us"
        Option      "XkbVariant" "us-acentos"
EndSection

us-acentos is fantastic! It should be the default, as accents are required in 
many English words or words commonly written in English, like voilà, naïve, 
pie à la mode, please apply with a résumé, etc.

How to generate č (c-hachek) in KDE

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 14:13 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote: 
>  I don't speak Czech, but I experimented on my keyboard. Mine is
> set to pc105, 
>  us intl (acentos) layout, both in xorg.conf and KDE Control Centre Keyboard 
>  Layout. You really only need the latter, but defining it in xorg.conf means 
>  all X programs know about the keyboard.
>  
>  Type AltGr-Shift->, which produces a dead hachek, then type either lower or 
>  upper case 'c'. Voilà! AltGr is the right Alt key. Typing AltGr-Shift-> twice
>
>  types the hachek without a letter underneath. All the dead keys work like 
>  this.
>  
>  If you want to configure xorg.conf, this is what I have (adjust for your 
>  keyboard, but this is pretty generic):
>  Section "InputDevice"
>          Identifier  "Keyboard0"
>          Driver      "kbd"
>          Option      "Xleds" "1 2 3"
>          Option      "XkbModel" "pc105"
>          Option      "XkbLayout" "us"
>          Option      "XkbVariant" "us-acentos"
>  EndSection 
Just as you write.  

With the "us-acentos" option, the keys :` ~ ' ": become dead keys
useful
for forming (say) :à ñ á ä:.  And typing AltGr-Shift-> produces a dead
ˇ.  This is interesting to know, but it replaces one difficulty (how to
produce a haček) with a greater one (how to produce a quote, backquote
or tilde.)

Thanks - jon

How to generate č (c-hachek) in KDE

[Tim]

On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:11 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  With the "us-acentos" option, the keys :` ~ ' ":
> become dead keys useful
>  for forming (say) :à ñ á ä:.  And typing AltGr-Shift-> produces a dead
>  ˇ.  This is interesting to know, but it replaces one difficulty (how to
>  produce a haček) with a greater one (how to produce a quote, backquote
>  or tilde.)  
Yes, I couldn't find any way to type those characters when the keyboard
operated in that mode.  'tis about time someone produced better
keyboards, with more symbols on them, so we don't have to do
multi-character combinations in wierd ways.  Keyboard tricks aren't too
painful for the odd word, but I'd hate to have to use them repeatedly
throughout a largish document.

An alternative is to not do what was outlined, but set up the "compose"
key, instead.  It's part of the keyboard preferences (I set it to use my
near-useless Windows key).  Once set up, you have to first press your
compose key before your keyboard changes over from normal typing to
composing characters.  That means that you can type normally, most of
the time.  The keyboard legends indicate what will be typed, as usual.
But for those special occasions, you press the compose key, let go of
it, then type the characters that you want combined, or the character
and a symbol that looks something like what you want.

compose c < gives č

That less-than sign was typed by holding down shift and typing comma.
Don't forget to use the shift key, in the usual way, if the extra
symbols are normally typed using the shift key.

Many of the other ones are a bit more obvious what to type, though some
require a bit of experimentation:

compose ae gives æ
compose e^ gives ê
compose o" gives ö
compose e' gives é
compose e` gives è
compose o- gives õ
compose o~ gives õ
compose o_ gives º
compose (c gives ©
compose (r gives ®

And so on.  There's a few that I can't find (such as degrees, em and en
dashes, etc.), and I've not seen a list of instructions anywhere
explaining how to type any of these.

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How to generate č (c-hachek) in KDE [New issue]

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:08 +0930, Tim wrote:
>  On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 17:11 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  > With the "us-acentos" option, the keys :` ~ ' ": become dead keys
> useful
>  > for forming (say) :à ñ á ä:.  And typing AltGr-Shift-> produces a dead
>  > ˇ.  This is interesting to know, but it replaces one difficulty (how to
>  > produce a haček) with a greater one (how to produce a quote, backquote
>  > or tilde.) 
>  
>  Yes, I couldn't find any way to type those characters when the keyboard
>  operated in that mode... 
I found out how to produce them, just type AltGr-<whatever>-<whatever>.
This is a bother, I think, which is why I don't like the "us-acentos"
option.

>  An alternative is to not do what was outlined, but set up the
> "compose"
>  key, instead.  It's part of the keyboard preferences (I set it to use my
>  near-useless Windows key).  Once set up, you have to first press your
>  compose key before your keyboard changes over from normal typing to
>  composing characters.
>  ...
>  compose c < gives č 
This is exactly what I was looking for, EXCEPT that it doesn't work in
Digikam, which is the exact application where I need it.  It does work
in Evolution, and Yumex, but doesn't work in Digikam, Lyx, and
Qalculate.  Font problems?  Probably not, since pasting č in from KChar
Select works just fine.

>  Many of the other ones are a bit more obvious what to type, though
> some
>  require a bit of experimentation:
>  ...
>  compose ae gives æ
>  compose e^ gives ê
>  compose o" gives ö
>  compose e' gives é
>  compose e` gives è
>  compose o- gives õ
>  compose o~ gives õ
>  compose o_ gives º
>  compose (c gives ©
>  compose (r gives ®
>  
>  And so on.  There's a few that I can't find.
> ... 
Where is a full table of composed characters?  Does anyone on the list
know?

Thanks - jon

How to generate č (c-hachek) in KDE

[Adalbert Prokop]

Jonathan Ryshpan wrote on Tuesday 03 July 2007:

>  With the "us-acentos" option, the keys :` ~ ' ":
> become dead keys
>  useful for forming (say) :à ñ á ä:.  And typing AltGr-Shift-> produces
>  a dead ˇ.  This is interesting to know, but it replaces one difficulty
>  (how to produce a haček) with a greater one (how to produce a quote,
>  backquote or tilde.) 
Does the combination (Dead-tilde)-Space not work?

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