Returning to the OOwrite malfuntion question.

[Aaron Konstam]

Two days ago I asked whether people with Openoffice 2.2 can print
documents with OOwrite in landscape format?

The only reponse I got was from somone using Openoffice 2.3 who said he
could. Does the silence from everyone else mean that you can to with
Openopffice 2.2?
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[Joe Smith]

Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  ... Does the silence from everyone else mean that you can to with
>  Openopffice 2.2? 
Landscape printing works for me with the standard F7 OOo 2.2 packages.

I don't see your other report, so I can't comment further than to say 
"works for me".

<Joe

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:37 -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
>  Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  > ... Does the silence from everyone else mean that you can to with
>  > Openopffice 2.2?
>  
>  Landscape printing works for me with the standard F7 OOo 2.2 packages.
>  
>  I don't see your other report, so I can't comment further than to say 
>  "works for me".
>  
>  <Joe
>   
Well that is interesting. One response agreed with me that it does not
work and you say it does. Which leaves me in a quandary. Could you send
a list of all the openoffice related rpms you have installed?
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[Rick Stevens]

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 09:27 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:37 -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
>  > Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  > > ... Does the silence from everyone else mean that you can to with
>  > > Openopffice 2.2?
>  > 
>  > Landscape printing works for me with the standard F7 OOo 2.2 packages.
>  > 
>  > I don't see your other report, so I can't comment further than to say 
>  > "works for me".
>  > 
>  > <Joe
>  > 
>  Well that is interesting. One response agreed with me that it does not
>  work and you say it does. Which leaves me in a quandary. Could you send
>  a list of all the openoffice related rpms you have installed? 
I am running OO 2.2.1, the RPMs are:

openoffice.org-impress-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-calc-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-xsltfilter-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-graphicfilter-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-draw-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-langpack-en-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-core-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-writer-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
openoffice.org-math-2.2.1-18.2.fc7

All on x86_64.  BTW, simply going into the printer dialog and specifying
"landscape" doesn't work.  I had to change the document's page format
("Format-->Page...-->Page" tab, select "Landscape radio
button").

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[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 10:16 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
>  On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 09:27 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:37 -0400, Joe Smith wrote:
>  > > Aaron Konstam wrote:
>  > > > ... Does the silence from everyone else mean that you can to with
>  > > > Openopffice 2.2?
>  > > 
>  > > Landscape printing works for me with the standard F7 OOo 2.2 packages.
>  > > 
>  > > I don't see your other report, so I can't comment further than to say 
>  > > "works for me".
>  > > 
>  > > <Joe
>  > > 
>  > Well that is interesting. One response agreed with me that it does not
>  > work and you say it does. Which leaves me in a quandary. Could you send
>  > a list of all the openoffice related rpms you have installed?
>  
>  I am running OO 2.2.1, the RPMs are:
>  
>  openoffice.org-impress-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-calc-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-xsltfilter-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-graphicfilter-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-draw-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-langpack-en-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-core-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-writer-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  openoffice.org-math-2.2.1-18.2.fc7
>  
>  All on x86_64.  BTW, simply going into the printer dialog and specifying
>  "landscape" doesn't work.  I had to change the document's page format
>  ("Format-->Page...-->Page" tab, select "Landscape radio
> button"). 
Ok, that is the secret. Thaks for pointing it out. However that
still
means that Openoffice 2.2 is broken. If 2.3 fixes this I guess we don't
need a bugzilla as long as f8 comes with 2.3. I will think about this.
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[Tim]

Rick Stevens:
> > All on x86_64.  BTW, simply going into the printer dialog and
> specifying
> > "landscape" doesn't work.  I had to change the document's page
> format
> > ("Format-->Page...-->Page" tab, select "Landscape radio
> button"). 
Aaron Konstam:
>  Ok, that is the secret. Thaks for pointing it out. However that
> still
>  means that Openoffice 2.2 is broken. If 2.3 fixes this I guess we don't
>  need a bugzilla as long as f8 comes with 2.3. I will think about this. 
If setting the page format as landscape is all that's required, and you
don't also have to change the printer settings, then nothing is broken.
That's how you should make landscape documents.

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[Aaron Konstam]

On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 13:43 +1030, Tim wrote:
>  Rick Stevens:
>  >> All on x86_64.  BTW, simply going into the printer dialog and specifying
>  >> "landscape" doesn't work.  I had to change the document's page
> format
>  >> ("Format-->Page...-->Page" tab, select "Landscape radio
> button").
>  
>  Aaron Konstam:
>  > Ok, that is the secret. Thaks for pointing it out. However that still
>  > means that Openoffice 2.2 is broken. If 2.3 fixes this I guess we don't
>  > need a bugzilla as long as f8 comes with 2.3. I will think about this.
>  
>  If setting the page format as landscape is all that's required, and you
>  don't also have to change the printer settings, then nothing is broken.
>  That's how you should make landscape documents.
>  
>  --  
I don't agree. Going to: File->Printer setup and click Landscape should
also work.
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[Frank Cox]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:53:44 -0600
Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net&gt; wrote:

>  I don't agree. Going to: File->Printer setup and click
> Landscape should
>  also work. 
If you're saying what I think you're saying, then I disagree.

Page orientation is a page property, just like your margin settings.

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[Tim]

Tim: 
> > If setting the page format as landscape is all that's
> required, and you
> > don't also have to change the printer settings, then nothing is broken.
> > That's how you should make landscape documents. 
Aaron Konstam: 
>  I don't agree. Going to: File->Printer setup and click
> Landscape should
>  also work. 
Printer settings should only affect how the printer works.  The layout
of a document is a document parameter ("page" formatting).

You're not putting the paper through the printer sideways, are you?  You
want the program to orient the document to certain dimensions.  If
you're just going to turn the paper around in the printer, as such a
printer configuration setting suggests, you can expect a program to
print it's portrait-oriented document sideways, for it to remain a
portrait oriented document.  Or to simply squeeze the document into the
way you've twisted the paper around.

As someone else put it, this is pilot error.  You're doing it wrong.
And it doesn't matter whether you're copying the wrong behaviour of some
other program, either.  A document's page usage is a property of the
page format, and that's where you should do your landscape/portrait
configuration.  There's more to it than just which way the paper is
turned around, there's line widths and lengths, and where the page
breaks go, to be considered.

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Returning to the OOwrite malfuntion question. (for Tim especially)

[Aaron Konstam]

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 19:47 +1030, Tim wrote:
>  Tim: 
>  >> If setting the page format as landscape is all that's required, and you
>  >> don't also have to change the printer settings, then nothing is broken.
>  >> That's how you should make landscape documents.
>  
>  Aaron Konstam: 
>  > I don't agree. Going to: File->Printer setup and click Landscape should
>  > also work.
>  
>  Printer settings should only affect how the printer works.  The layout
>  of a document is a document parameter ("page" formatting).
>  
>  You're not putting the paper through the printer sideways, are you?  You
>  want the program to orient the document to certain dimensions.  If
>  you're just going to turn the paper around in the printer, as such a
>  printer configuration setting suggests, you can expect a program to
>  print it's portrait-oriented document sideways, for it to remain a
>  portrait oriented document.  Or to simply squeeze the document into the
>  way you've twisted the paper around.
>  
>  As someone else put it, this is pilot error.  You're doing it wrong.
>  And it doesn't matter whether you're copying the wrong behaviour of some
>  other program, either.  A document's page usage is a property of the
>  page format, and that's where you should do your landscape/portrait
>  configuration.  There's more to it than just which way the paper is
>  turned around, there's line widths and lengths, and where the page
>  breaks go, to be considered.
>  
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>  Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
>  I read messages from the public lists.
>   
Ok, let me explain one more time. What you say is quite correct
philosophically. The orientation of the document is not a printer
problem.
However, here is what we have in the real world. It is clear to me that
the Linux world want to sell itself as compatible with the MS way of
doing things. Ubuntu is the most widely used Linux because when you
install it you get access to all the basic tools that Windows gives you
for no cost. A browser, a word processor, a Excel clone, etc.

Now here is the real life question you need to answer.If the openoffice
developers did not want you to be able to choose Portrait vs Landscape
in the Print and Print Setup GUI why did they put the options to make
that decision there? The answer is because MS Word does. Not
philosophically correct but practical in the real world.
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