7:29 p.m.
I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and
download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and
Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the firewall
altogether and this made no difference. Any ideas on what the issue could
be?
12:12 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Jim Philips <briarpatch.jim(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was I
prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through settings?
By the way, things all work with my wired connection now. Haven't gotten
wireless working yet. Need another test.
From the F14 User Guide:
7.1. The Network Manager Applet
Network Manager has been the default network configuration application
for the GNOME desktop since Fedora 11. This application can be used to
configure a wide variety of network devices and connections that allow
you to access the Internet. Network Manager is used to configure all
your network connections from wired to wireless network as well as
xDSL, VPN, and mobile broadband with extend support for Bluetooth DUN.
And if you don't know about DNS, DHCP or pppoe, Network Manager does
it all for you. If you use your computer at home, and have an xDSL
connection that is already working, you do not need to configure
anything. Just connect to the wired network. With a wireless or
broadband connection, the steps needed to setup them are simple and
easy to do, just a few clicks and fill in your personal information.
Network Manager executes automatically when you start your session and
it is visible in GNOME as the nm-applet icon on the top right of the
desktop. If you move the mouse over it, it shows the active
connection.
Left-clicking on the icon provides a context sensitive menu divided in
three sections. The first section shows the active connection or
connections along with an option to Disconnect The second section
views the other available connections. Switch to one of them with a
simple click and the previous one closes automatically. The VPN
Connections submenu provides option to configure or disconnect to a
VPN.
Right clicking on the nm-applet show another context sensitive menu
that allows you to Enable Networking and if available Enable Wireless
or Enable Mobile Broadband. You can also Enable Notifications as well
as view the Connection Information or Edit Connections... When editing
connections, Network Manager opens in a new window, in which you
configure the network devices and connections. The About option
provides information about the project and the people that created the
application, with a link to the Project Web-Site .
Just like its GNOME counterpart, KDE provides an applet interface for
NetworkManager, known as KNetworkManager. This application development
was started by Novell and provides an integrated QT-based experience
with similar usage and configuration as its GNOME counterpart,
nm-applet.
From the F14 Deployment Guide:
Chapter 5. Network Configuration
NetworkManager is a dynamic network control and configuration system
that attempts to keep network devices and connections up and active
when they are available. NetworkManager consists of a core daemon, a
GNOME Notification Area applet that provides network status
information, and graphical configuration tools that can create, edit
and remove connections and interfaces. NetworkManager can be used to
configure the following types of connections: Ethernet, wireless,
mobile broadband (such as cellular 3G), and DSL and PPPoE
(Point-to-Point over Ethernet). In addition, NetworkManager allows for
the configuration of network aliases, static routes, DNS information
and VPN connections, as well as many connection-specific parameters.
Finally, NetworkManager provides a rich API via D-Bus which allows
applications to query and control network configuration and state.
Previous versions of Fedora shipped with the Network Administration
Tool, which was commonly known as system-config-network after its
command line invocation. In Fedora 14, NetworkManager replaces the
former Network Administration Tool while providing enhanced
functionality, such as user-specific and mobile broadband
configuration. It is also possible to configure the network in Fedora
14 by editing interface configuration files; refer to Chapter 4,
Network Interfaces for more information.
NetworkManager may be installed by default on Fedora. To ensure that
it is, first run the following command as the root user:
~]# yum install NetworkManager
5.1. The NetworkManager Daemon
The NetworkManager daemon runs with root privileges and is usually
configured to start up at boot time. You can determine whether the
NetworkManager daemon is running by entering this command as root:
~]# service NetworkManager status
NetworkManager (pid 1527) is running...
The service command will report NetworkManager is stopped if the
NetworkManager service is not running. To start it for the current
session:
~]# service NetworkManager start
Run the chkconfig command to ensure that NetworkManager starts up
every time the system boots:
~]# chkconfig NetworkManager on
For more information on starting, stopping and managing services and
runlevels, refer to Chapter 7, Controlling Access to Services.
6:35 a.m.
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 03:53 -0500, Tom H wrote:
IMHO totally pedantic...
But completely important.
NetworkManager sets a status that you're on- or off-line, and any
application can check for that. It doesn't individually inform every
network-using application about its status. NetworkManager, nor any
notifier, doesn't need to be coded to support this, that, and the other
application.
But any application that wants to know network status can be coded to
check for status in one place.
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 13:01 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it
> wasn't
> > active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is
> registering
> > a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is
> > picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to work.
>
> Apologies for using "reporting" in lieu of "registering a service via
> D-bus"...
This is more than a pedantic difference. "Reporting to FF" implies some
kind of special relationship between NM and FF, which is not the case.
Just so we're clear.
IMHO totally pedantic...
4:20 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 13:01 -0500, Tom H wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it
wasn't
> active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is
registering
> a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is
> picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to work.
Apologies for using "reporting" in lieu of "registering a service via
D-bus"...
This is more than a pedantic difference. "Reporting to FF" implies some
kind of special relationship between NM and FF, which is not the case.
Just so we're clear.
poc
3:32 p.m.
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote:
> but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
>
> and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to
Firefox. Which
> isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to
the the
> port.
[Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guidelines]
The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it
wasn't
active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is
registering
a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and
FF is
picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to
work.
poc
I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was I
prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through
settings?
What settings of NM do you want to be led through. NM wireless has
always worked for me out of the box?
By the way, things all work with my wired connection now. Haven't
gotten wireless working yet. Need another test.
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12:55 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> > I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was
> I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through
> settings?
Is this a fresh install or an upgrade? I would expect a fresh install to
give some prompting at install time. OTOH an upgrade would tend not to
mess with existing network settings. However if you feel this is wrong
then report it to BZ.
This was a fresh install of Fedora. So, that was why I would have expected
some
kind of configuration wizard. Do new users normally see one? Or did
something fail in my case?
12:01 p.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it wasn't
active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is registering
a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is
picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to work.
Apologies for using "reporting" in lieu of "registering a service via
D-bus"...
11:56 a.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:52 AM, bruce <badouglas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Tom H <tomh0665(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce <badouglas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
>> <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and
>>>> download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
>>>> command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages.
>>>
>>> Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
>>> determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
>>> if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
>>> there is no connection.
>>
>> are you sure about this???
>>
>> where is the pointer to docs to state this?
>>
>> i seriously doubt that firefox has any way of knowing about NM specifically..
>>
>> but it is curious that you can ping, but not access via FF.. what
>> happens if you download/check with Opera..
>
> If NM's active but isn't managing an interface, it reports to FF that
> the interface is down.
but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which
isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the port.
The OP might not be using NM but, AFAIK, if it's launched by the init
scripts and "NM_CONTROLLED=no" isn't set in the ifcfg scripts, NM
controls the interfaces.
Did you read the fedora-devel thread that I've also posted in this thread?
9:32 a.m.
On 2/27/11 8:15 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
>> I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was
> I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through
> settings?
Is this a fresh install or an upgrade? I would expect a fresh install to
give some prompting at install time. OTOH an upgrade would tend not to
mess with existing network settings. However if you feel this is wrong
then report it to BZ.
Note that many older apps don't ask NM about connectivity, which is why
they still work. This is definitely confusing as the ones that don't
work are those which have taken on board the NM model and believe what
it says.
the real question is does nslookup or dig work?
If not networking is not setup properly. If it does, then something
else is not working...
James McKenzie
9:15 a.m.
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning,
nor was
I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through
settings?
Is this a fresh install or an upgrade? I would expect a fresh install to
give some prompting at install time. OTOH an upgrade would tend not to
mess with existing network settings. However if you feel this is wrong
then report it to BZ.
Note that many older apps don't ask NM about connectivity, which is why
they still work. This is definitely confusing as the ones that don't
work are those which have taken on board the NM model and believe what
it says.
poc
9:07 a.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote:
> but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
>
> and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which
> isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the the
> port.
[Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guidelines]
The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it wasn't
active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is registering
a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is
picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to work.
poc
I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was I
prompted
to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through settings?
By the way, things all work with my wired connection now. Haven't gotten
wireless working yet. Need another test.
9:02 a.m.
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote:
but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which
isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the the
port.
[Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guidelines]
The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it wasn't
active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is registering
a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is
picking it up. That's the way desktop apps are supposed to work.
poc
8:58 a.m.
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 21:08 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 02/26/2011 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
> determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
> if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
> there is no connection.
That's interesting. I have NetworkManager disabled on this box because
if I don't it throws away my DNS numbers every time I reboot. I use the
older network service which does what I want the way I want it and
Firefox has never had the slightest difficulty finding my connection.
If NM is disabled, then no problem. The difficulty is when it's enabled
but not properly configured. This is well-known and has been discussed
on this and other lists before. See also
http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Why_is_Evolution_offline_when_my_net_...
for example.
poc
2:04 a.m.
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote:
but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
But... does that mean they've disabled the service, or they've simply
not configured it for use.
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1:52 a.m.
but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active..
and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which
isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the the
port.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Tom H <tomh0665(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce <badouglas(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
>>>
>>> I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and
>>> download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
>>> command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages.
>>
>> Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
>> determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
>> if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
>> there is no connection.
>
> are you sure about this???
>
> where is the pointer to docs to state this?
>
> i seriously doubt that firefox has any way of knowing about NM specifically..
>
> but it is curious that you can ping, but not access via FF.. what
> happens if you download/check with Opera..
If NM's active but isn't managing an interface, it reports to FF that
the interface is down.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-November/042414.html
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12:41 a.m.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce <badouglas(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
>>
>> I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and
>> download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
>> command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages.
>
> Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
> determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
> if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
> there is no connection.
are you sure about this???
where is the pointer to docs to state this?
i seriously doubt that firefox has any way of knowing about NM specifically..
but it is curious that you can ping, but not access via FF.. what
happens if you download/check with Opera..
If NM's active but isn't managing an interface, it reports to FF that
the interface is down.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-November/042414.html
12:20 a.m.
are you sure about this???
where is the pointer to docs to state this?
i seriously doubt that firefox has any way of knowing about NM specifically..
but it is curious that you can ping, but not access via FF.. what
happens if you download/check with Opera..
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and
> download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
> command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and
> Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the firewall
> altogether and this made no difference. Any ideas on what the issue could
> be?
Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
there is no connection.
poc
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11:08 p.m.
On 02/26/2011 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
there is no connection.
That's interesting. I have NetworkManager disabled on this box because
if I don't it throws away my DNS numbers every time I reboot. I use the
older network service which does what I want the way I want it and
Firefox has never had the slightest difficulty finding my connection.
10:43 p.m.
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet
and
download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and
Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the firewall
altogether and this made no difference. Any ideas on what the issue could
be?
Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to
determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working,
if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think
there is no connection.
poc
8:17 p.m.
I discovered that while I can ping to www.google.com, I can't do a
traceroute to the same address. It won't resolve the name.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jim Philips <briarpatch.jim(a)gmail.com>wrote:
I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet
and
download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and
Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the firewall
altogether and this made no difference. Any ideas on what the issue could
be?
7:51 p.m.
On 02/26/11 18:29, Jim Philips wrote:
I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet
and
download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the
command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and
Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the
firewall altogether and this made no difference. Any ideas on what the
issue could be?
I don't know about evolution, but I've had a recurring problem with
firefox in which for unknown reasons DNS lookups start to fail. I try
chrome and everything works, but firefox will not connect. After a
while firefox will suddenly start working again.
Paolo
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