I'm ready to give up Linux!!

[potat0]

Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in which
im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater! 

Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!


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[Tim]

On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 10:47 +0200, MoonShine wrote:
>  Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in
> which
>  im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
>  which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
>  I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
>  all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater! 
>  
>  Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!  
Hmm, I stuck with FC4 for a long time, because I didn't like FC5.  I
finally got around to trying out FC6 when 4 expired, and then tried FC7
shortly afterwards.  The moral is that you don't have to use the latest,
so long as there's still a supported one that you can use.  You also
don't have to abandon Linux just because you can't get Fedora to work,
there's plenty of alternatives to choose from.

Having got that out of the way, what is it that doesn't boot?  The disc
to do the FC7 install, or the computer after you've finished installing
it?

There are various ways to start an installation, and what you have as a
current working system can widen your choices.  We need more information
about what didn't work, and what you can do.  If you look at the Fedora
website, there's quite a few installation methods outlined on it.

Start here:  <http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/>  Ask
questions about where you get stuck, mentioning what you have managed.

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[Steve Searle]

Around 09:47am on Sunday, August 05, 2007 (UK time), MoonShine scrawled:

>  Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in
> which
>  im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
>  which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
>  I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
>  all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater! 
>  
>  Can anyone help before I give up Linux!! 
Probably but we need more details.  Are you still runnning FC6?  Your
email implies you are, but in that case did you install F7 and then
re-install FC6?

So.

- which version are you currently running?

- describe speicificall the first problem you are havining with it

e.g. Can't browse the web, or can browse the web but can't download
files.  Give any error messages you get.  If it won't boot, describe at
what point it gets stuck.

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[Yuan Yijun]

2007/8/5, MoonShine <no-reply-gw(a)fcp.surfsite.org&gt;:
>  Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in which
>  im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
>  which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
>  I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
>  all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater!
>
>  Can anyone help before I give up Linux!! 


My experience is to wait longer for it becoming mature enough. It is really
a long way to go. For example, I have to wait 3 to 5 years until fedora
linux fully supports my language. On the other hand, everything evolves so
fast. Something you want may appear magically today. Do you think your
problem is more important than languages support? Then you should try to
solve it, or report it (over bugzilla), because maybe only you and its
programmer share the same opinion.

I cannot understand your problem. Maybe you are using a Dell computer and
has to use boot: linux noacpi or boot: linux maxcpus=1 when at the boot
prompt. Google this problem please! If you could speak Chinese, we can talk
privately or discuss it in the IRC, irc://freenode/#fedora-cn




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[Karl Larsen]

MoonShine wrote:
>  Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in
> which
>  im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
>  which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
>  I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
>  all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater! 
>  
>  Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
>  
>   
  Yes I can. Put the F7 DVD away and spend some time getting FC6 running 
well on your computer. It will work better than Windows XP ever did but 
you need to spend some time getting it running well.

	Explain why you can't download a big file? I do it all the time from Linux.


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[Chris]

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:07:56 -0600
Karl Larsen <k5di(a)zianet.com&gt; wrote:

>  MoonShine wrote:
>  > Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in
>  > which im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of
>  > Fedora which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and
>  > the reason I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from
>  > the internet at all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and
>  > the updater! 
>  > 
>  > Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
>  > 
>  > 
>    Yes I can. Put the F7 DVD away and spend some time getting FC6
>  running well on your computer. It will work better than Windows XP
>  ever did but you need to spend some time getting it running well.
>  
>  	Explain why you can't download a big file? I do it all the
>  time from Linux.
>  
>   
As an alternative the the (seemingly) headaches the Op is getting - May
I suggest working with Ubuntu first.

If the Op is/was a Windows user, and has little to no working mileage
with any Linux - then Ubuntu is the perfect stepping-stone into the
world of Unix and unix-like OS's.

The Op should get a workable install from the git-go, and with very
little time the Op will have out-grown the Window-ish ways of Ubuntu
and had a decent basic grasp of Linux in general.

F7 isn't for the Linux-first-timer. It has it's "quirks" that can
discourage the Linux first timer.

This is just a suggestion - I came into Linux that way and have not
regretted it. I spend just 3 months under Ubuntu before I felt ready to
move on to a more serious OS. One that I felt I could tinker with and
grow.



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[potat0]

Ok ok some more details are that the f7 disc spins for 10 seconds and
stops it doesnt even continue on to the setup, I am currently using
fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
not supported blah blah blah) and im really frustrated with that one
also when I try to boot the disc i get the message saying strike f1
to rety to boot,strike f2 for setup and yes i did mess around with
the BIOS and then changed it back to its default setting but still
didn't work. If i cant boot this disc then i just need help being
able to download ANYTHING!


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[Andy Green]

Somebody in the thread at some point said:

>  Ok ok some more details are that the f7 disc spins for 10 seconds
> and
>  stops it doesnt even continue on to the setup, I am currently using 
You need to separate your problems out, because this is one big mush.

On your F7 DVD problem: did you burn that DVD yourself?  Take care that
you burned the iso *image* to the DVD, not placed the .iso file on the
DVD as a normal file.  In k3b for example, you don't drag the .iso file
into the usual place, instead you choose from the menu "Tools | Burn DVD
ISO image".

>  fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
>  not supported blah blah blah) and im really frustrated with that one 
What exactly was the URL you were trying to download stuff from, for
example?

-Andy

[Karl Larsen]

MoonShine wrote:
>  Ok ok some more details are that the f7 disc spins for 10 seconds
> and
>  stops it doesnt even continue on to the setup, I am currently using
>  fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
>  not supported blah blah blah) and im really frustrated with that one
>  also when I try to boot the disc i get the message saying strike f1
>  to rety to boot,strike f2 for setup and yes i did mess around with
>  the BIOS and then changed it back to its default setting but still
>  didn't work. If i cant boot this disc then i just need help being
>  able to download ANYTHING!
>  
>   
	You installed FC6 from CD-Rom disks. Your trying to install F7 with a 
DVD disk. It will not load.

	Replace your DVD drive with a good one.

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[Steve Searle]

Around 12:28pm on Monday, August 06, 2007 (UK time), Karl Larsen scrawled:

>  	You installed FC6 from CD-Rom disks. Your trying to install F7 with
>
>  	a DVD disk. It will not load.
>  
>  	Replace your DVD drive with a good one. 
Karl, before you get him to spend money on buying a new drive, can you
explain how you have diagnosed it as faulty?

Steve

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[Karl Larsen]

Steve Searle wrote:
>  Around 12:28pm on Monday, August 06, 2007 (UK time), Karl Larsen
> scrawled:
>  
> > 	You installed FC6 from CD-Rom disks. Your trying to install F7 with 
> > 	a DVD disk. It will not load.
> >
> > 	Replace your DVD drive with a good one.
>  
>  Karl, before you get him to spend money on buying a new drive, can you
>  explain how you have diagnosed it as faulty?
>  
>  Steve
>  
>   
	In one message he said he bought the DVD with F7 on it. I assume the 
DVD is at least good if not perfect. So the only thing left is a faulty 
DVD drive. I had to replace one a month ago. It just stopped working. 
Right now my old HP CD writer 9100 series is going South and I will have 
to replace it. Seems drives are good for about 3 years.



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[Les Mikesell]

MoonShine wrote:

> I am currently using
>  fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
>  not supported blah blah blah) 
I don't recognize that error message.  What program are you running when 
you try to download and what is the real error?   And did you say that 
system updates do work over the internet?

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[Vivek J. Patankar]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> > I am currently using
> > fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
> > not supported blah blah blah)
>  
>  I don't recognize that error message.  What program are you running when 
>  you try to download and what is the real error?   And did you say that 
>  system updates do work over the internet? 
I think he's talking about file-roller not able to work with archives 
like rar which require the unrar package to be yum'ed from livna.

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[Tim]

MoonShine:
> > I am currently using fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from
> the
> > internet(achive type not supported blah blah blah) 
Les Mikesell:
>  I don't recognize that error message.  What program are you
> running when 
>  you try to download and what is the real error?  
Sounds like the sort of thing one might see from trying to download and
open an ISO file, rather than download, save, and burn it.

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[Karl Larsen]

MoonShine wrote:
>  Ok ok some more details are that the f7 disc spins for 10 seconds
> and
>  stops it doesnt even continue on to the setup, I am currently using
>  fc6, I cant download absolutly nothing from the internet(achive type
>  not supported blah blah blah) and im really frustrated with that one
>  also when I try to boot the disc i get the message saying strike f1
>  to rety to boot,strike f2 for setup and yes i did mess around with
>  the BIOS and then changed it back to its default setting but still
>  didn't work. If i cant boot this disc then i just need help being
>  able to download ANYTHING!
>  
>   
	There are several things about your problem that simply are not true. 
There is no reason in the world why you can't download anything you want 
with FC6. I ran FC6 and d/l the F7 DVD .iso file. Took 24 hours about. 
So explain if you can what happens if you try to download anything.

	Next your F7 DVD. You said you ordered it from someplace. Tell us what 
place you got it from. Next tell us who made your DVD hardware. My new 
one is RW-DVD China.

	If you are un-willing to do these two things I suggest you go back to 
Windows.


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[potat0]

Quote:
karl larsen wrote:
There are several things about your problem that simply are not true.
There is no reason in the world why you can't download anything you
want
with FC6. I ran FC6 and d/l the F7 DVD .iso file. Took 24 hours
about.
So explain if you can what happens if you try to download anything.

Next your F7 DVD. You said you ordered it from someplace. Tell us
what
place you got it from. Next tell us who made your DVD hardware. My
new
one is RW-DVD China.

If you are un-willing to do these two things I suggest you go back to
Windows.

1. Ok I am able to download whatever it is im trying to download but
the damn thing wont open up! For example for test i downloaded a game
that was a .exe type but it wasnt supported so most of the things I
try to download are file types that arn't supported...where the
update for that!SHEESH!

2. The disc was purchased via ebay and the brand of the disc is shown
on the DVD it just says Bootable DVD folling with fedora 7 printed on
top.
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[Steve Searle]

Around 08:50am on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 (UK time), MoonShine scrawled:

>  1. Ok I am able to download whatever it is im trying to download but
>  the damn thing wont open up! For example for test i downloaded a game
>  that was a .exe type but it wasnt supported so most of the things I
>  try to download are file types that arn't supported...where the
>  update for that!SHEESH! 
A .exe will (almost certainly) be a MS Windows executable file that
won't run under GNU/Linux (unless you use an emulator such as wine).

>  2. The disc was purchased via ebay and the brand of the disc is
> shown
>  on the DVD it just says Bootable DVD folling with fedora 7 printed on
>  top. 
The sugestion was that your hardware that you are trying to read the DVD
with is not a DVD reader, bu only a CD reader.  What model is it, or at
least what (exactly) does it say on the front of it.

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[potat0]

Quote:
Steve Searle wrote:
Around 08:50am on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 (UK time), MoonShine
scrawled:

Quote:1. Ok I am able to download whatever it is im trying to
download but
the damn thing wont open up! For example for test i downloaded a game
that was a .exe type but it wasnt supported so most of the things I
try to download are file types that arn't supported...where the
update for that!SHEESH!

A .exe will (almost certainly) be a MS Windows executable file that
won't run under GNU/Linux (unless you use an emulator such as wine).

Quote:2. The disc was purchased via ebay and the brand of the disc is
shown
on the DVD it just says Bootable DVD folling with fedora 7 printed on
top.

The sugestion was that your hardware that you are trying to read the
DVD
with is not a DVD reader, bu only a CD reader.  What model is it, or
at
least what (exactly) does it say on the front of it.

Steve

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 HOW DO I GET THAT DAMN EMULATER! Oh and im sorry it does NOT say
what brand it is on the front of the disc only it says is bootable
dvd on the left side of the disc then says fedora 7 at the top then
gives instruction at the botton of the disc that says : 'The DVD is
bootable.Just insert the DVD in the DVDROM drive and restart the PC
and installation should begin.Make sure your computer BIOS/CMOS is
set to boot from DVDROM'.

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:29:42 +0200
MoonShine <no-reply-gw(a)fcp.surfsite.org&gt; wrote:

>   HOW DO I GET THAT DAMN EMULATER! 
The emulator that was referenced previously is, in all likelihood, WINE.

To get it, you type "yum install wine" at a root prompt.

You must have a version of Fedora Linux installed and working properly before
attempting to install and run WINE.

>   Oh and im sorry it does NOT say
>  what brand it is on the front of the disc only it says is bootable
>  dvd on the left side of the disc then says fedora 7 
I believe the question was, what brand and model is your DVD drive, not the
disk itself.

So, what brand and model is your DVD drive.  The hardware that you put the
disk into, not the actual disk.

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[potat0]

The primary cd reader or whatever I have just says CD ROM then DISC
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[Jonathan Dieter]

On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 11:33 +0200, MoonShine wrote:
>  The primary cd reader or whatever I have just says CD ROM then DISC
>  COMPACT thats it. 
It may not be able to read DVDs then.

Jonathan

[Claude Jones]

On Thursday  August 09 2007 5:33:48 am MoonShine wrote:
>  The primary cd reader or whatever I have just says CD ROM then DISC
>  COMPACT thats it.
>
>  
That's your problem. You can't read a DVD with a CD ROM


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[potat0]

Ooh yeah umm im sorry it does say DVD ROM and then it says disc
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MoonShine wrote:
>  Ooh yeah umm im sorry it does say DVD ROM and then it says disc
>  compact so yeah sorry. 
Now why do I find that hard to believe?

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[Claude Jones]

On Friday August 10 2007 5:19:18 am MoonShine wrote:
>  Ooh yeah umm im sorry it does say DVD ROM and then it says
>  disc compact so yeah sorry. 
Listen 'moonshine', if you really need help, you're going to have 
to give folks here a lot more input. Your cryptic posts have 
already made a few people go ballistic in their replies. You 
could start by describing precisely what hardware is on the 
machine you're trying to install to (manufacturer, model#, 
drives, ram, etc...); then, what's installed on that machine 
currently (can you boot it right now?); begin with that, and 
check for answers a little more often than every 12-24 hours; 
people will help you but you have to start by helping us... 

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[potat0]

Quote:
Claude Jones wrote:
On Friday August 10 2007 5:19:18 am MoonShine wrote:
Quote:Ooh yeah umm im sorry it does say DVD ROM and then it says
disc compact so yeah sorry.

Listen 'moonshine', if you really need help, you're going to have
to give folks here a lot more input. Your cryptic posts have
already made a few people go ballistic in their replies. You
could start by describing precisely what hardware is on the
machine you're trying to install to (manufacturer, model#,
drives, ram, etc...); then, what's installed on that machine
currently (can you boot it right now?); begin with that, and
check for answers a little more often than every 12-24 hours;
people will help you but you have to start by helping us...

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  Unfortunately, there seems to be a 12-24 hour delay for messages
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>  
>  arobatino wrote:
>  
>    Unfortunately, there seems to be a 12-24 hour delay for messages posted via the FCP,
> such as this one (I'm posting this at 10:55 AM EST on August 10, no telling when it
> will show up).  The moderation for messages posted directly to the mailing list seems to
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This is because someone once spammed through this forum (manually) and fcp was reported as
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[Guo Lin]

Hi 'MoonShine',

> From what I have read from your posts so far, I would suggest you to
> read 
more about Linux for now. It seems like you switch to Fedora without knowing
much about Linux and that causes you many problems.

Linux OSes have very much different architecture from Windows OSes. Files
with .exe extension are Windows-only executable program. In Linux, files
usually do not even need an extension to be recognized. Due to different
architecture designs, supposedly all Windows programs do not run on Linux.
Fortunately we have this WINE project. It is also a program that tries to
make Linux being able to run Windows program. But by having WINE, it does
not mean everything on Windows can just be run on Linux. There are some do
and others don't. I think you really have mistaken Linux as some kind of
total replacement of Windows in every aspect.

And in Linux, not everything runs on-the-fly. For example for Internet
connection, sometimes you may need to set up your ISP's DNS server address
and things like that.

I suggest you to read more about Linux first. There are plenty of guides for
beginners you can find from the Internet. And be ready to have lots of
googling-around when you are using Linux.

Those are my suggestions.


Regards,
Guo Lin


On 8/8/07, MoonShine <no-reply-gw(a)fcp.surfsite.org > wrote:
>  Quote:
>  Steve Searle wrote:
>  Around 08:50am on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 (UK time), MoonShine
>  scrawled:
>
>  Quote:1. Ok I am able to download whatever it is im trying to
>  download but
>  the damn thing wont open up! For example for test i downloaded a game
>  that was a .exe type but it wasnt supported so most of the things I
>  try to download are file types that arn't supported...where the
>  update for that!SHEESH!
>
>  A .exe will (almost certainly) be a MS Windows executable file that
>  won't run under GNU/Linux (unless you use an emulator such as wine).
>
>  Quote:2. The disc was purchased via ebay and the brand of the disc is
>  shown
>  on the DVD it just says Bootable DVD folling with fedora 7 printed on
>  top.
>
>  The sugestion was that your hardware that you are trying to read the
>  DVD
>  with is not a DVD reader, bu only a CD reader.  What model is it, or
>  at
>  least what (exactly) does it say on the front of it.
>
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>  dvd on the left side of the disc then says fedora 7 at the top then
>  gives instruction at the botton of the disc that says : 'The DVD is
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[Tim]

On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 09:50 +0200, MoonShine wrote:
>  1. Ok I am able to download whatever it is im trying to download but
>  the damn thing wont open up! For example for test i downloaded a game
>  that was a .exe type but it wasnt supported so most of the things I
>  try to download are file types that arn't supported...where the
>  update for that!SHEESH! 
Generally, "exe" files are Windows executable, although there's nothing
stopping someone from making a Linux file with a name like that.  You
can use *some* Windows software on Linux through emulators or virtual
machines, but it may be painful to use that way.  Try giving a specific
example of something that you've tried.

>  2. The disc was purchased via ebay and the brand of the disc is
> shown
>  on the DVD it just says Bootable DVD folling with fedora 7 printed on
>  top.  
Hmm, I'm always a bit dubious of things from ebay, but try this:  On a
system that is working, try and browse the disc.  You should see
something like this in it:

 Fedora/                     27-May-2007 10:30   -
 GPL                         26-May-2007 02:25   18K
 RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html    26-May-2007 02:25   154K
 RPM-GPG-KEY                 27-May-2007 10:40   1.9K
 RPM-GPG-KEY-beta            27-May-2007 10:40   1.7K
 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora          27-May-2007 10:40   1.5K
 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-rawhide  27-May-2007 10:40   1.1K
 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-test     27-May-2007 10:40   1.1K
 RPM-GPG-KEY-rawhide         27-May-2007 10:40   1.2K
 fedora.css                  27-May-2007 10:40   2.8K
 images/                     27-May-2007 10:40   -
 isolinux/                   27-May-2007 17:22   -
 repodata/                   27-May-2007 17:22   -
 stylesheet-images/          27-May-2007 17:22   -

With the "Fedora" directory containing lots of *rpm files.

If so, it looks fairly likely that you've got a Fedora disc that might
be usable.  Of course, if it's a disc that someone else has burnt
there's always the chance that they've just dumped the files onto a
disc, but without making it bootable, as well.  Something like that is
still useable, but you'd have to do some more work to be able to boot
and install from it.

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Quote:
karl larsen wrote:
MoonShine wrote:
Quote:Ok I switched from Windoes Xp to Linux and got Fc6 installed in
which
im using right now but earlier I bought the next version of Fedora
which is f7 but it wont boot from restart or start up and the reason
I bought was becuase I couldnt download anything from the internet at
all! Only from like Add/Remove default program and the updater!

Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
Yes I can. Put the F7 DVD away and spend some time getting FC6
running
well on your computer. It will work better than Windows XP ever did
but
you need to spend some time getting it running well.

Explain why you can't download a big file? I do it all the time from
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[Adalbert Prokop]

MoonShine wrote on Sunday 05 August 2007:

>  Can anyone help before I give up Linux!! 
Don't get discouraged so fast. The difference between Windows and Linux is 
like the difference between a whore and a long term relationship. It 
needs some time, it does not allow everything and is not always easy, but 
it is worth it.

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[Konstantin Svist]

Thanks for a good laugh!


Adalbert Prokop wrote:
>  MoonShine wrote on Sunday 05 August 2007:
>    
> > Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
> >     
>
>  Don't get discouraged so fast. The difference between Windows and Linux is 
>  like the difference between a whore and a long term relationship. It 
>  needs some time, it does not allow everything and is not always easy, but 
>  it is worth it.
>

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Antonio Olivares]

--- Adalbert Prokop <adalbert.prokop(a)gmx.de&gt; wrote:

>  MoonShine wrote on Sunday 05 August 2007:
>  
>  > Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
>  
>  Don't get discouraged so fast. The difference
>  between Windows and Linux is 
>  like the difference between a whore and a long term
>  relationship. It 
>  needs some time, it does not allow everything and is
>  not always easy, but 
>  it is worth it.
>  
>  -- 
>  bye,
>  	Aldi
>  
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>  are of the very finest 
>  British manufacture.
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I like your comparison and your explanation.  A person
that I knew divorced after 20 years of marriage
because the wife went with another man.  This person
went to a place and met a whore and got married with
her.  He says that she is the best women a man can
have. She does not have the urge for other men because
she has been there, done that.  She is failthful and
treats him like a king.  However, this is the
exception and not the rule.  

The way you state it is the way it is, you stick with
linux and in the end, you will be better off.  It will
take time, but it is a good decision.

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[Paul Smith]

On 8/6/07, Antonio Olivares <olivares14031(a)yahoo.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > Can anyone help before I give up Linux!!
>  >
>  > Don't get discouraged so fast. The difference
>  > between Windows and Linux is
>  > like the difference between a whore and a long term
>  > relationship. It
>  > needs some time, it does not allow everything and is
>  > not always easy, but
>  > it is worth it.
>  >
>  > --
>  > bye,
>  >       Aldi
>  >
>  > Bumper sticker: All the parts falling off this car
>  > are of the very finest
>  > British manufacture.
>  >
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>
>  I like your comparison and your explanation.  A person
>  that I knew divorced after 20 years of marriage
>  because the wife went with another man.  This person
>  went to a place and met a whore and got married with
>  her.  He says that she is the best women a man can
>  have. She does not have the urge for other men because
>  she has been there, done that.  She is failthful and
>  treats him like a king.  However, this is the
>  exception and not the rule.
>
>  The way you state it is the way it is, you stick with
>  linux and in the end, you will be better off.  It will
>  take time, but it is a good decision. 
F7 installation disk does not simply install anything (this not a
joke; it is really true), as F7 kernels are buggy:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229

Shamefully, after two months, the bug is not repaired... Hopefully,
Red Hat will be more careful with the F8 installation disk, and then
you will have the chance of having Fedora running on your computer.
Meanwhile, try Ubuntu, for instance.

Paul

Paul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paul Smith wrote:

>  F7 installation disk does not simply install anything (this not a
>  joke; it is really true), as F7 kernels are buggy:
>  
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229 
As a absolute statement that isn't correct. All you can see is it 
doesn't install anything on my hardware since this is a hardware 
specific issue.

>  
>  Shamefully, after two months, the bug is not repaired... 
That doesn't match 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24


Rahul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Paul Smith]

On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > F7 installation disk does not simply install anything (this not
> a
>  > joke; it is really true), as F7 kernels are buggy:
>  >
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229
>
>  As a absolute statement that isn't correct. All you can see is it
>  doesn't install anything on my hardware since this is a hardware
>  specific issue. 
Your statement is indeed more precise. It is obvious that F7 installs
correctly in many machines, otherwise one would not see so many people
indicating here that they have F7 installed. However, many people
complained (in the list) about not being able to install F7. I suspect
that the OP has the same problem.

>  > Shamefully, after two months, the bug is not repaired...
>
>  That doesn't match
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24 
The latest F7 kernel exhibits the same bug. Furthermore, the bug is not closed.

Paul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paul Smith wrote:

>  
>  Your statement is indeed more precise. It is obvious that F7 installs
>  correctly in many machines, otherwise one would not see so many people
>  indicating here that they have F7 installed. However, many people
>  complained (in the list) about not being able to install F7. I suspect
>  that the OP has the same problem. 
Well you should clarify that. I have seen instances where people were 
misled about the scope of some bugs being discussed. If you suspect that 
the OP has the same issue, you should ask for hardware information. That 
is more helpful. I don't see why you assumed it is the same problem 
however.

>  The latest F7 kernel exhibits the same bug. Furthermore, the bug is
> not closed. 
The bug seems to waiting on folks to provide feedback. If you have 
tested with the kernel version specified and the bug is not fixed, then 
add your comments to the bug report.

Rahul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Paul Smith]

On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > Your statement is indeed more precise. It is obvious that F7
> installs
>  > correctly in many machines, otherwise one would not see so many people
>  > indicating here that they have F7 installed. However, many people
>  > complained (in the list) about not being able to install F7. I suspect
>  > that the OP has the same problem.
>
>  Well you should clarify that. I have seen instances where people were
>  misled about the scope of some bugs being discussed. If you suspect that
>  the OP has the same issue, you should ask for hardware information. That
>  is more helpful. I don't see why you assumed it is the same problem
>  however. 
The OP says that F7 cannot boot; that is precisely what happens as a
result of the mentioned bug.

I indicated in my initial post the address of the bug at Bugzilla. The
OP could then compare his hardware with the hardware mentioned at
Bugzilla. No need to ask him about his hardware, I think.

>  > The latest F7 kernel exhibits the same bug. Furthermore, the bug
> is not closed.
>
>  The bug seems to waiting on folks to provide feedback. If you have
>  tested with the kernel version specified and the bug is not fixed, then
>  add your comments to the bug report. 
At Bugzilla, I mentioned long ago the hardware that I am using, but
apparently the testing was not performed on hardware like mine, as I
am experiencing the same bug with the latest kernel. However, I can go
there, again and again, pleasantly, to report that hardware like mine
has not been tested.

Paul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paul Smith wrote:

>  
>  The OP says that F7 cannot boot; that is precisely what happens as a
>  result of the mentioned bug. 
There are many potential reasons for this.
>  At Bugzilla, I mentioned long ago the hardware that I am using, but
>  apparently the testing was not performed on hardware like mine, as I
>  am experiencing the same bug with the latest kernel. However, I can go
>  there, again and again, pleasantly, to report that hardware like mine
>  has not been tested. 
Please don't assume that the latest kernel does not work without even 
testing it while proclaiming loudly that it has not been fixed.

Rahul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Paul Smith]

On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > At Bugzilla, I mentioned long ago the hardware that I am using,
> but
>  > apparently the testing was not performed on hardware like mine, as I
>  > am experiencing the same bug with the latest kernel. However, I can go
>  > there, again and again, pleasantly, to report that hardware like mine
>  > has not been tested.
>
>  Please don't assume that the latest kernel does not work without even
>  testing it while proclaiming loudly that it has not been fixed. 
I think you misread my words: I did test the latest kernel on my
machine, and the bug is still present. What I said was that apparently
the author of the comment

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24

did not do any test on a machine with the same motherboard like mine.
The reference of my motherboard was given by me at Bugzilla two months
ago.

Paul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Paul Smith wrote:

>  I think you misread my words: I did test the latest kernel on my
>  machine, and the bug is still present. What I said was that apparently
>  the author of the comment
>  
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24
>  
>  did not do any test on a machine with the same motherboard like mine.
>  The reference of my motherboard was given by me at Bugzilla two months
>  ago. 
Nobody has all the hardware with them to test things which is why 
participation from people affected by the bug is critical. Generic bugs 
that affect many people get fixed faster because everybody else can test 
and debug the problem and this is also the reason QA on hardware 
specific issues is hard and every release invariably has some of these 
problems.

Rahul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Mike McCarty]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Paul Smith wrote:
>  
> > I think you misread my words: I did test the latest kernel on my
> > machine, and the bug is still present. What I said was that apparently
> > the author of the comment
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24
> >
> > did not do any test on a machine with the same motherboard like mine.
> > The reference of my motherboard was given by me at Bugzilla two months
> > ago.
>  
>  
>  Nobody has all the hardware with them to test things which is why 
>  participation from people affected by the bug is critical. Generic bugs  
Rahul, you are being defensive. ISTM that Paul did everything he should
have done, and you're still arguing. One place I would fault, perhaps,
is that he didn't suggest that the OP compare hardware himself. This
would have been helpful to a newbie.

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[Paul Smith]

On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > I think you misread my words: I did test the latest kernel on
> my
>  > machine, and the bug is still present. What I said was that apparently
>  > the author of the comment
>  >
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24
>  >
>  > did not do any test on a machine with the same motherboard like mine.
>  > The reference of my motherboard was given by me at Bugzilla two months
>  > ago.
>
>  Nobody has all the hardware with them to test things which is why 
That is true that nobody has all the hardware with them to test
things, but it is quite surprising that Red Hat does not test on
motherboards produced by one of the world's largest motherboard
manufacturers, as it is the case of Gigabyte -- the producer of my
motherboard. I believe that there are millions of computers having the
same motherboard than mine.

Paul

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Ed Greshko]

Paul Smith wrote:
>  On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> >> I think you misread my words: I did test the latest kernel on my
> >> machine, and the bug is still present. What I said was that apparently
> >> the author of the comment
> >>
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24
> >>
> >> did not do any test on a machine with the same motherboard like mine.
> >> The reference of my motherboard was given by me at Bugzilla two months
> >> ago.
> > Nobody has all the hardware with them to test things which is why
>  
>  That is true that nobody has all the hardware with them to test
>  things, but it is quite surprising that Red Hat does not test on
>  motherboards produced by one of the world's largest motherboard
>  manufacturers, as it is the case of Gigabyte -- the producer of my
>  motherboard. I believe that there are millions of computers having the
>  same motherboard than mine. 
I think you should be just a tad bit careful with your wording.  One has to
remember that "The Fedora Project is a collection of projects sponsored by
Red Hat...developed as a partnership between the open source community and
Red Hat engineers".  So, it is a bit unfair to assume that Red Hat is
responsible for all the testing.  We, the community, are also responsible
for testing.

So, let's not sit around pointing fingers.  Let's report problems and work
together to have them resolved.  Let us also be thankful that we don't have
to spend $$ (I think it was last quoted at $90) per incident report to some
OS vendors.  :-)

I'm ready to give up Linux!! (OT)

[Ed Landaveri]

Great answer! Control is on the Community's hands not
on an monopoly's hands who screws you up whenever it
wants!

Linux Rules Always!

Ed
--- Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko(a)greshko.com&gt; wrote:

>  Paul Smith wrote:
>  > On 8/6/07, Rahul Sundaram
>  <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >>> I think you misread my words: I did test the
>  latest kernel on my
>  >>> machine, and the bug is still present. What I
>  said was that apparently
>  >>> the author of the comment
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242229#c24
>  >>>
>  >>> did not do any test on a machine with the same
>  motherboard like mine.
>  >>> The reference of my motherboard was given by me
>  at Bugzilla two months
>  >>> ago.
>  >> Nobody has all the hardware with them to test
>  things which is why
>  > 
>  > That is true that nobody has all the hardware with
>  them to test
>  > things, but it is quite surprising that Red Hat
>  does not test on
>  > motherboards produced by one of the world's
>  largest motherboard
>  > manufacturers, as it is the case of Gigabyte --
>  the producer of my
>  > motherboard. I believe that there are millions of
>  computers having the
>  > same motherboard than mine.
>  
>  I think you should be just a tad bit careful with
>  your wording.  One has to
>  remember that "The Fedora Project is a collection of
>  projects sponsored by
>  Red Hat...developed as a partnership between the
>  open source community and
>  Red Hat engineers".  So, it is a bit unfair to
>  assume that Red Hat is
>  responsible for all the testing.  We, the community,
>  are also responsible
>  for testing.
>  
>  So, let's not sit around pointing fingers.  Let's
>  report problems and work
>  together to have them resolved.  Let us also be
>  thankful that we don't have
>  to spend $$ (I think it was last quoted at $90) per
>  incident report to some
>  OS vendors.  :-)
>  
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[Alan Cox]

>  things, but it is quite surprising that Red Hat does not test on
>  motherboards produced by one of the world's largest motherboard
>  manufacturers, as it is the case of Gigabyte -- the producer of my
>  motherboard. I believe that there are millions of computers having the
>  same motherboard than mine. 
I doubt that. Boards are obsolete in a few months and none sell for very
long. Also its often a particular revision of a board or a particular
BIOS, revision and combination of other bits (sometimes which PCI cards
are in which PCI slots even matters).

As the IT8212 maintainer I'm aware of I think 3 people with problems with
IT8212 hardware and lots of people without. So its hardly a common
problem on a common board.