4:49 p.m.
I accidentally deleted my inbox messages. I'm accessing my email via pop3
and they are still on the server, but when click "Get Mail" in claws-
mail, nothing happens. Probably claws-mail knows I once had them and
deleted them, so it's not bringing them again.
Is there any way to trick claws-mail into re-downloading my inbox
messages?
Thanks!
5:31 p.m.
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:49:12 +0000 (UTC)
Amadeus WM <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
I accidentally deleted my inbox messages. I'm accessing my email
via
pop3 and they are still on the server, but when click "Get Mail" in
claws- mail, nothing happens. Probably claws-mail knows I once had
them and deleted them, so it's not bringing them again.
Is there any way to trick claws-mail into re-downloading my inbox
messages?
I haven't done this, but it should work. Exit claws mail. In your home
directory there is a directory called .claws-mail. In that directory
there is another directory called uidl. Go into that directory and do
an ls. Look for the file of the email account that you are interested
in resetting. Edit its file, and remove the last X entries, enough to
capture all the messages that you accidentally deleted. Save it, and
now restart claws mail. If you click get mail, it should download the
messages you deleted (actually, all the X messages whose markers you
removed from the file you edited).
6:52 p.m.
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 16:31:32 -0700, stan wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:49:12 +0000 (UTC)
Amadeus WM <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> I accidentally deleted my inbox messages. I'm accessing my email via
> pop3 and they are still on the server, but when click "Get Mail" in
> claws- mail, nothing happens. Probably claws-mail knows I once had them
> and deleted them, so it's not bringing them again.
>
> Is there any way to trick claws-mail into re-downloading my inbox
> messages?
I haven't done this, but it should work. Exit claws mail. In your home
directory there is a directory called .claws-mail. In that directory
there is another directory called uidl. Go into that directory and do
an ls. Look for the file of the email account that you are interested
in resetting. Edit its file, and remove the last X entries, enough to
capture all the messages that you accidentally deleted. Save it, and
now restart claws mail. If you click get mail, it should download the
messages you deleted (actually, all the X messages whose markers you
removed from the file you edited).
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That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you very
much!
I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
12:14 a.m.
On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC)
Amadeus WM <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you
> very much!
You're welcome.
> I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
No kidding.
Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client. But the IMAP
clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from my inbox to Trash.
So, if
I make a mistake I can simply go into the Trash and pull it out. I've never lost
emails due to "user" error.
Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of setting?
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4:14 a.m.
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 14:14 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC)
> Amadeus WM <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you
> > very much!
>
> You're welcome.
>
> > I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
>
> No kidding.
Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client. But the IMAP
clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from my inbox to Trash.
So, if
I make a mistake I can simply go into the Trash and pull it out. I've never lost
emails due to "user" error.
Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of setting?
+1
poc
6:45 a.m.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
> <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you very
>> much!
> You're welcome.
>
>> I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
> No kidding.
Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client.
But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from
my inbox to Trash. So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
Trash and pull it out. I've never lost emails due to "user" error.
Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
setting?
Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws over
other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you
delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to
trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK
either way.
7:36 a.m.
On 02/26/18 20:45, Amadeus WM wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
>> <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you
very
>>> much!
>> You're welcome.
>>
>>> I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
>> No kidding.
> Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client.
> But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from
> my inbox to Trash. So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
> Trash and pull it out. I've never lost emails due to "user" error.
>
> Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
> setting?
Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws over
other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you
delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to
trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK
either way.
I did not mean to imply that you were blaming claws-mail for the "user" error.
You
had said "I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP" which to me seemed to indicate
you thought if
you were using IMAP it would have been impossible to recover your emails. And that
is simply untrue.
In the email clients I use one can configure the delete action several ways.
1. Immediate Deletion (I've never seen that as the default behavior)
2. Mark for later deletion. The "expunge" command must be issued for actual
deletion to take place. Or set, "expunge on exit".
3. Move to trash.
Since I don't have any knowledge of claws-mail, and since you seemed very happy to
not have been using IMAP, I was wondering if claws did only #1 above which I would
classify as a deficiency.
FWIW, I use email on multiple platforms on a daily basis with IMAP. I've not used
POP in a long time. Unless there as been additions to the protocol, the issue I had
with POP is that it had no concept of synchronization. All the mail came down to all
of the clients and I found myself deleting the same emails over the multiple
platforms I was using. Either that or marking emails as "read". With IMAP
that
issue doesn't exist.
In either case, it good to hear you problem has been resolved.
--
A motto of mine is: When in doubt, try it out
9:53 a.m.
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 21:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 02/26/18 20:45, Amadeus WM wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> > On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
> > > <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank
you very
> > > > much!
> > >
> > > You're welcome.
> > >
> > > > I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
> > >
> > > No kidding.
> >
> > Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client.
> > But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted"
from
> > my inbox to Trash. So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
> > Trash and pull it out. I've never lost emails due to "user"
error.
> >
> > Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
> > setting?
>
> Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws over
> other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you
> delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to
> trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK
> either way.
I did not mean to imply that you were blaming claws-mail for the "user" error.
You
had said "I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP" which to me seemed to indicate
you thought if
you were using IMAP it would have been impossible to recover your emails. And that
is simply untrue.
In the email clients I use one can configure the delete action several ways.
1. Immediate Deletion (I've never seen that as the default behavior)
2. Mark for later deletion. The "expunge" command must be issued for actual
deletion to take place. Or set, "expunge on exit".
3. Move to trash.
Since I don't have any knowledge of claws-mail, and since you seemed very happy to
not have been using IMAP, I was wondering if claws did only #1 above which I would
classify as a deficiency.
Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still does. I
remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.
poc
10:35 a.m.
Hello Patrick,
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:53:48 +0000 Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 21:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 02/26/18 20:45, Amadeus WM wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> > > On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
> > > > <amadeus84(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working.
Thank you very
> > > > > much!
> > > >
> > > > You're welcome.
> > > >
> > > > > I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
> > > >
> > > > No kidding.
> > >
> > > Not sure why you say that. I don't use claws-mail as my email client.
> > > But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email
"deleted" from
> > > my inbox to Trash. So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
> > > Trash and pull it out. I've never lost emails due to "user"
error.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
> > > setting?
> >
> > Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws
over
> > other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you
> > delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to
> > trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK
> > either way.
>
> I did not mean to imply that you were blaming claws-mail for the "user"
error. You
> had said "I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP" which to me seemed to
indicate you thought if
> you were using IMAP it would have been impossible to recover your emails. And that
> is simply untrue.
>
> In the email clients I use one can configure the delete action several ways.
>
> 1. Immediate Deletion (I've never seen that as the default behavior)
> 2. Mark for later deletion. The "expunge" command must be issued for
actual
> deletion to take place. Or set, "expunge on exit".
> 3. Move to trash.
>
> Since I don't have any knowledge of claws-mail, and since you seemed very happy
to
> not have been using IMAP, I was wondering if claws did only #1 above which I would
> classify as a deficiency.
Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still does. I
remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.
When did you contact the Claws Mail team to discuss that point? What
was the Claws Mail version at that time? Did you file a request on the
relevant bugzilla or was it on IRC or to the users mailing-list?
Regards,
--
wwp
12:56 p.m.
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 17:35 +0100, wwp wrote:
> Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still
does. I
> remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
> designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
> Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
> server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
> having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
> but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
> briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
> IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.
When did you contact the Claws Mail team to discuss that point? What
was the Claws Mail version at that time? Did you file a request on the
relevant bugzilla or was it on IRC or to the users mailing-list?
It's been a long time but as far as I can tell I subscribed briefly to
the Claws mailing list on Feb. 2, 2009, and presumably reported it
there though I can't find a record and the list archives don't seem to
go back that far. I don't remember if I filed a BZ report at the time,
but I do distinctly remember getting feedback on the list.
For the moment all I can track down is
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1866#c2
poc
1:22 p.m.
Hello Patrick,
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:56:19 +0000 Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 17:35 +0100, wwp wrote:
> > Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still does. I
> > remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
> > designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
> > Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
> > server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
> > having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
> > but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
> > briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
> > IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.
>
> When did you contact the Claws Mail team to discuss that point? What
> was the Claws Mail version at that time? Did you file a request on the
> relevant bugzilla or was it on IRC or to the users mailing-list?
It's been a long time but as far as I can tell I subscribed briefly to
the Claws mailing list on Feb. 2, 2009, and presumably reported it
there though I can't find a record and the list archives don't seem to
go back that far. I don't remember if I filed a BZ report at the time,
but I do distinctly remember getting feedback on the list.
For the moment all I can track down is
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1866#c2
Well, as I could check, your +1 in your previous message was based on
your experience with Claws Mail, 9 years ago. It's basically, totally
outdated and irrelevant now. Not only this has been "fixed" by the team
in those times (bz#1866) but completely re-worked later so that it's
compliant to the way Claws Mail handles deletion and move-to-trash
whatever it's IMAP or notl if you delete, it's permanent delete; if you
move to trash, it's moved to trash. I see nothing special or exotic in
that. In addition to that, you can still commit changes immediately or
make them held until you press "execute".
Regards,
--
wwp
1:50 p.m.
On 02/26/18 14:22, wwp wrote:
Well, as I could check, your +1 in your previous message was based on
your experience with Claws Mail, 9 years ago. It's basically, totally
outdated and irrelevant now. Not only this has been "fixed" by the team
in those times (bz#1866) but completely re-worked later so that it's
compliant to the way Claws Mail handles deletion and move-to-trash
whatever it's IMAP or notl if you delete, it's permanent delete; if you
move to trash, it's moved to trash. I see nothing special or exotic in
that. In addition to that, you can still commit changes immediately or
make them held until you press "execute".
Regards,
+
This thread has inspired me to try Claws, I was able to create a mail
account and collect a lot of mail in pop, but the instructions for
putting received mail into directories, as I do with Thunderbird, leaves
me totally confused.
Can you point me to a simple set of instructions, best with a filter
example ... I created a folder for Newegg but nothing else I added
seemed to satisfy Claws.
*Bob*
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2:16 p.m.
Hello Bob,
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:50:48 -0500 Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
On 02/26/18 14:22, wwp wrote:
>
> Well, as I could check, your +1 in your previous message was based on
> your experience with Claws Mail, 9 years ago. It's basically, totally
> outdated and irrelevant now. Not only this has been "fixed" by the team
> in those times (bz#1866) but completely re-worked later so that it's
> compliant to the way Claws Mail handles deletion and move-to-trash
> whatever it's IMAP or notl if you delete, it's permanent delete; if you
> move to trash, it's moved to trash. I see nothing special or exotic in
> that. In addition to that, you can still commit changes immediately or
> make them held until you press "execute".
>
>
> Regards,
+
This thread has inspired me to try Claws, I was able to create a mail account and collect
a lot of mail in pop, but the instructions for putting received mail into directories, as
I do with Thunderbird, leaves me totally confused.
Can you point me to a simple set of instructions, best with a filter example ... I
created a folder for Newegg but nothing else I added seemed to satisfy Claws.
By default, incoming messages from your POP account will land onto the
Inbox folder of the Mail (MH).
Check that in your account preferences, 'Filter messages on receiving'
is checked in the Receive tab.
Now, you have to learn how the Configuration/Filtering works (Filtering
is for filtering incoming messages, but some processing rules can also
be set to folder themselves - filtering and processing rules are
identical).
A good start, to learn it, is to receive a message first in Inbox,
select it and go to Tools/Create filter rule. You pick the criteria you
want, it adds it. Now go to Configuration/Preferences and see how you
can tune it if necessary - and RTM.
I won't go further here, it's not only off-topic but also not replying
to the original topic of this thread. You're welcome on the Claws Mail
users mailing-list or IRC channel if you want!
Regards,
--
wwp
2:42 p.m.
On 02/26/18 15:16, wwp wrote:
I won't go further here, it's not only off-topic but also not
replying
to the original topic of this thread. You're welcome on the Claws Mail
users mailing-list or IRC channel if you want!
.
"Claws Mail users mailing-list if you want!"
I may try that, thanks for the help,
Bob
--
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http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3
2:53 p.m.
On 02/26/2018 01:42 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 02/26/18 15:16, wwp wrote:
> I won't go further here, it's not only off-topic but also not replying
> to the original topic of this thread. You're welcome on the Claws Mail
> users mailing-list or IRC channel if you want!
.
"Claws Mail users mailing-list if you want!"
I may try that, thanks for the help,
Bob
I google mail.
I found that my mail client TB has NO WAY of forcing googl'e gmail server
to resend emails.
But the Gmail server does have some ways to forward old emails to an
email address of your choice.
If your email provider has this feature on their server, you might try
this approach.
3:46 p.m.
On 02/26/18 15:53, JD wrote:
>
I google mail.
I found that my mail client TB has NO WAY of forcing googl'e gmail server
to resend emails.
But the Gmail server does have some ways to forward old emails to an
email address of your choice.
If your email provider has this feature on their server, you might try
this approach.
I would think that Message > Edit message as new would work to re-send a
gmail message?
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http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3
6:32 p.m.
On 02/27/18 04:53, JD wrote:
On 02/26/2018 01:42 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> On 02/26/18 15:16, wwp wrote:
>> I won't go further here, it's not only off-topic but also not replying
>> to the original topic of this thread. You're welcome on the Claws Mail
>> users mailing-list or IRC channel if you want!
>
> .
>
> "Claws Mail users mailing-list if you want!"
>
> I may try that, thanks for the help,
>
> Bob
>
I google mail.
I found that my mail client TB has NO WAY of forcing googl'e gmail server
to resend emails.
But the Gmail server does have some ways to forward old emails to an
email address of your choice.
If your email provider has this feature on their server, you might try
this approach.
For gmail, getting POP messages to download again is done on the server.
Settings--->Forwarding and POP/IMAP Under POP Download, Enable POP for all mail
(even mail that's already been downloaded)
--
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4:54 p.m.
On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 20:22 +0100, wwp wrote:
> For the moment all I can track down is
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1866#c2
Well, as I could check, your +1 in your previous message was based on
your experience with Claws Mail, 9 years ago. It's basically, totally
outdated and irrelevant now. Not only this has been "fixed" by the team
in those times (bz#1866) but completely re-worked later so that it's
compliant to the way Claws Mail handles deletion and move-to-trash
whatever it's IMAP or notl if you delete, it's permanent delete; if you
move to trash, it's moved to trash. I see nothing special or exotic in
that. In addition to that, you can still commit changes immediately or
make them held until you press "execute".
All of which is consistent with my previous message. I said that at one
time Claws didn't support "correct" IMAP message deletion, but that I
didn't know if it now did. Apparently it does, so let's move on.
poc
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