9:10 a.m.
I sortpop3mail into directories with Thunderbird which works well for
me. However when I unsubscribe from a list I often want to remove the
filter's directory is shown in the Inbox Menu at the top left. So I
right click on the directory and choose delete from the menu, it asks
for reassurance that I really mean delete it, I click on ok, the menu
closes and the directory is still there, delete does not delete it. The
list of directories grows longer with time and all I can do is rename
the directories with xx's so it sorts them to the bottom of the list!
This may be related to my saving the .thunderbird Mail file for years
mainly to keep the filters I have ... This is Thunderbird 31.5.0 in up
to date Fedora 21/22 and earlier.
Am I the only one seeing this? My efforts with Google have not been much
help.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
2:40 a.m.
On 04/24/2015 09:44 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
.
With g's help the problem with deleting the Centos mail filter
directory is solved.
The files were located by doing -
[root@box10 bobg]# find . -name Centos
./.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.sbd/Centos
./.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Trash.sbd/Centos
and then:
[root@box10 bobg]# cd
.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.sbd/
and then from there:
[root@box10 Inbox.sbd]# rm -fr Centos*
removed the unwanted directory from the mail filter list.
I think that's the essence of what he suggested, he may want to
clarify this further. It took a few tries to understand the problem
and arrive at those steps.
Tomorrow I will try the same logical procedure to remove several more
that have been stuck there for some time. I think it is probably not a
Thunderbird bug, but rather something that happened in the process of
saving those files to the server and then using them to configure new
Thunderbird installations, something I did perhaps?
.
Using the same process I have now removed 4 more "phantom" directories
from the filter list. I have had those through several versions of
Fedora and was unable to delete them from the GUI.
Thanks to all.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
8:44 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 04:04 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
not sure I totally understand where you are trying to delete these
folders..
If these are folders in your "local folders" email, all you need to do
is navigate using a file manager to your .thunderbird....Local Folders
.
With g's help the problem with deleting the Centos mail filter directory
is solved.
The files were located by doing -
[root@box10 bobg]# find . -name Centos
./.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.sbd/Centos
./.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Trash.sbd/Centos
and then:
[root@box10 bobg]# cd
.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/Inbox.sbd/
and then from there:
[root@box10 Inbox.sbd]# rm -fr Centos*
removed the unwanted directory from the mail filter list.
I think that's the essence of what he suggested, he may want to clarify
this further. It took a few tries to understand the problem and arrive
at those steps.
Tomorrow I will try the same logical procedure to remove several more
that have been stuck there for some time. I think it is probably not a
Thunderbird bug, but rather something that happened in the process of
saving those files to the server and then using them to configure new
Thunderbird installations, something I did perhaps?
One more problem solved with help from this list.
Thanks,
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
8:13 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 06:11 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> -- Paul Cartwright
Yes, I understand what you are telling me but perhaps my responses
have not been clear?
I quit Thunderbird.
I did: gedit
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/msgFilterRules.dat
and deleted the section for centos, saved, checked to see it was gone,
then restarted Thunderbird.
The Centos directory remains!
no gedit, no editing files. You need to use a file manager ( thunar?)
and navigate to:
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/
look for 2 filenames, centos and centos.msf . DELETE THE FILES. then
start thunderbird.
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
5:11 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 04:04 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 04/24/2015 03:35 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
> >
> >
> >On 04/24/2015 02:37 PM, g wrote:
>> >>something i should have mentioned, is that i removed 2 account
>> >>names by prepending a period to the account names.
> >Inwhat file did you do this?
> >
> >Jt has no effect in /msgFilterRules.dat.
> >
> >I can add the dot in the menu in the pane by using the renam function,
> >still no change.
> >
> >These are just empty directories, there's nothing in them and clicking
> >on them in the menu
> >list does nothing except sit there and churn for a while. If it does
> >stop the names are still there
> >and can't be deleted using the GUI delete function
not sure I totally understand where you are trying to delete these folders..
If these are folders in your "local folders" email, all you need to do
is navigate using a file manager to your .thunderbird....Local Folders
you will see 2 filenames for each folder, say you have hobbys folder.
You will have one called hobbys and one named hobbys.msf , just DELETE
those 2 files and next time you start thunderbird, they won't be there.
-- Paul Cartwright
Yes, I understand what you are telling me but perhaps my
responses have
not been clear?
I quit Thunderbird.
I did: gedit
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/1blpa2ks.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/msgFilterRules.dat
and deleted the section for centos, saved, checked to see it was gone,
then restarted Thunderbird.
The Centos directory remains!
Then for good measure I tried again to delete it with the GUI from the
menu that comes up when I right click on Centos, it asks if I want to
delete and I tell it to delete.
The Centos directory remains.
Earlier I tried just the dot as George suggested with the same result ...
There is a problem! But I have put up with it for a long time, intending
to just start over evetually and I still think that is the best plan.
And George my VOIP number is 757 279 2226 should you think it would help.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
3:04 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 03:35 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 04/24/2015 02:37 PM, g wrote:
> something i should have mentioned, is that i removed 2 account
> names by prepending a period to the account names.
Inwhat file did you do this?
Jt has no effect in /msgFilterRules.dat.
I can add the dot in the menu in the pane by using the renam function,
still no change.
These are just empty directories, there's nothing in them and clicking
on them in the menu
list does nothing except sit there and churn for a while. If it does
stop the names are still there
and can't be deleted using the GUI delete function
not sure I totally understand where you are trying to delete these folders..
If these are folders in your "local folders" email, all you need to do
is navigate using a file manager to your .thunderbird....Local Folders
you will see 2 filenames for each folder, say you have hobbys folder.
You will have one called hobbys and one named hobbys.msf , just DELETE
those 2 files and next time you start thunderbird, they won't be there.
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
2:59 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 02:35 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
On 04/24/2015 02:37 PM, g wrote:
> something i should have mentioned, is that i removed 2 account
> names by prepending a period to the account names.
Inwhat file did you do this?
Jt has no effect in /msgFilterRules.dat.
I can add the dot in the menu in the pane by using the renam function,
still no change.
These are just empty directories, there's nothing in them and clicking
on them in the menu
list does nothing except sit there and churn for a while. If it does
stop the names are still there
and can't be deleted using the GUI delete function
> the are not shown in the left pane, the account names are still
> in the prefs.js file.
to be more clear,
1- *close* thunderbird
2- *do not* make changes in left pane of thunderbird
3- _open_ a file browser in detail mode and show hidden files
4- _open_ file browser to directory;
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/o111r0ba.default/Mail/
5- _prepend_ a "dot"/"period" to account name.
ie, wildblue.net -> .wildblue.net
wildblue.net.msf -> .wildblue.net.msf
6- with thunderbird still closed, edit "msgFilterRules.dat"
in account directories you wish to remove filters from
associated accounts.
if you still do not understand or there is a problem, email me
off-list and send me your home phone number. i will call you and
walk you thru.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
.
2:35 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 02:37 PM, g wrote:
something i should have mentioned, is that i removed 2 account
names by prepending a period to the account names.
Inwhat file did you do this?
Jt has no effect in /msgFilterRules.dat.
I can add the dot in the menu in the pane by using the renam function,
still no change.
These are just empty directories, there's nothing in them and clicking
on them in the menu
list does nothing except sit there and churn for a while. If it does
stop the names are still there
and can't be deleted using the GUI delete function
the are not shown in the left pane, the account names are still
in the prefs.js file.
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
1:43 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 01:07 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
<<>>
It would probably take less time to simply delete the whole Mail
section and start over than to work this out. I dunno ...
open msgFilterRules.dat with a plain text editor to edit.
each filter rule starts with "name=".
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
.
1:37 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 12:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
<<>>
all of your account info is in the prefs.js file.. that will
give you some idea..
while such is true, it only applies to default changes. not
_all_ of account info is in prefs.js. see;
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Prefs.js_file
something i should have mentioned, is that i removed 2 account
names by prepending a period to the account names.
the are not shown in the left pane, the account names are still
in the prefs.js file.
The file is named |msgFilterRules.dat|
correct. it is in files directory of _each_ account. which is why
when "Message filters" is opened, "Filters for:" has a drop down
selection.
To back up all the filters, do the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| to a backup location.
To restore the file, to the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| back into your (possibly new)
profile folder
such can be eliminated by prepending a period to file. and a suffix
number, or date stamp as number to file, if accumulation is desired.
Under any normal Linux distro the path probably is like this:
|/home/<username>/.thunderbird/Profiles/<profile>/ImapMail/ \
<mailserver>/msgFilterRules.dat|
are you saying that CentOS is not normal? because i have;
/home/geo/.thunderbird/lihsqjai.default/Mail/inbound.att.net
as path to one of my email accounts.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
.
1:07 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 01:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 04/24/2015 01:13 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
>
> I wonder if anyone actually understands the inner workings of
> Thunderbird?
all of your account info is in the prefs.js file.. that will give you
some idea..
here is a google hit for filters:
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Thunderbird_Back_Up_Mail__Message_Filters....
The file is named |msgFilterRules.dat|
To back up all the filters, do the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| to a backup location.
To restore the file, to the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| back into your (possibly new)
profile folder
Under any normal Linux distro the path probably is like this:
|/home/<username>/.thunderbird/Profiles/<profile>/ImapMail/<mailserver>/msgFilterRules.dat
|
.
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/0111r0ba.default/Mail/pop.googlemail.com/msgFilterRules.dat
Ok, that has possibilities, it contains a group of files like this:
name="newegg.com"
enabled="yes"
type="17"
action="Move to folder"
actionValue="mailbox://bobgoodwin%40wildblue.net@pop.googlemail.com/Inbox/xNewegg"
condition="OR (from,contains,(a)email.newegg.com)"
It appears that saving that might provide a back up of the filter rules,
but what I really need is to get rid of those empty directories/folders
and I haven't found them, even then will I be able to just remove them?
It would probably take less time to simply delete the whole Mail section
and start over than to work this out. I dunno ...
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
12:34 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 01:13 PM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I wonder if anyone actually understands the inner workings of
Thunderbird?
all of your account info is in the prefs.js file.. that will give you
some idea..
here is a google hit for filters:
https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Thunderbird_Back_Up_Mail__Message_Filters....
The file is named |msgFilterRules.dat|
To back up all the filters, do the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| to a backup location.
To restore the file, to the following:
* Close all instances of Thunderbird
* Copy the file |msgFilterRules.dat| back into your (possibly new)
profile folder
Under any normal Linux distro the path probably is like this:
|/home/<username>/.thunderbird/Profiles/<profile>/ImapMail/<mailserver>/msgFilterRules.dat
|
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
12:13 p.m.
On 04/24/2015 12:11 PM, g wrote:
open file browser to;
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/o111r0ba.default/Mail/
there you will see all your email accounts. some may have a file
with .msf extension.
.
That is a strange collection of incomprehensible stuff.
The only related thing I could recognize was the mail filter log data.
There is little doubt I will have to recreate the filters eventually, in
the mean time I will use it as it is, it's not worth the effort.
I wonder if anyone actually understands the inner workings of Thunderbird?
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
11:41 a.m.
On 04/24/2015 11:05 AM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
Well with that many filters I assume you must keep copying them
between Fedora versions? So it should work for me.
that mail file has seen many
different linux OSes.. Debian & Fedora at
least..
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
11:11 a.m.
On 04/24/2015 10:05 AM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
<<>>
I dunno, one day I will bite the bullet and start with a new set
of filters and saved mail. I probably have about fifty filters
and sort into less than a dozen items, most are to get rid of
annoying stuff. The mail file is getting too big anyway.
sounds like a bug with thunderbird. you could check to see if it
is a know bug by filling in search info;
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
if nothing shows file a bug report.
an easy way to remove accounts manually, instead of biting the
bullet, close thunderbird, open a file browser in detail mode
and show hidden.
open file browser to;
/home/bobg/.thunderbird/o111r0ba.default/Mail/
there you will see all your email accounts. some may have a file
with .msf extension.
because thunderbird does not recognize a file starting with a
period, ie, ".filename" you can test for correct account/s, by
renaming account/s [and .msf file/s] you want to eliminate by
adding a period "." to start of account name/s.
ie, wildblue.net -> .wildblue.net
wildblue.net.msf -> .wildblue.net.msf.
open thunderbird, if account/s no longer shows in left pane, you
have correct account/s.
close thunderbird again and either delete or move account/s [and
.msf file/s] to a save place in case you might use again. it really
is not necessary to delete/move accounts, unless you really want
to clear space.
reopen thunderbird, remove the filters for the deleted/removed
account/s.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
.
10:05 a.m.
On 04/24/2015 10:41 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
I have Thunderbird 31.6 & Fedora 21 amd_x86
I just removed a filter & deleted the folder, and it went away. the
folder is in a sub-folder of my personal folders, NOT the inbox... if
that matters.. I currrently have 253 filters for my gmail account...
-- Paul Cartwright
Well with that many filters I assume you must keep copying them between
Fedora versions? So it should work for me.
I dunno, one day I will bite the bullet and start with a new set of
filters and saved mail. I probably have about fifty filters and sort
into less than a dozen items, most are to get rid of annoying stuff. The
mail file is getting too big anyway.
I rsync -avu /home/bobg/.thunderbird/o111r0ba.default/Mail/* to an NFS
server which saves a copy and enables me to keep a second computer's
Thunderbird sync'd to it as well as providing most of the configuration
required for a new installation. I don't use Fedup ...
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod
box10 Fedora-22/64bit Linux/XFCE
9:41 a.m.
On 04/24/2015 10:10 AM, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I sortpop3mail into directories with Thunderbird which works well for
me. However when I unsubscribe from a list I often want to remove the
filter's directory is shown in the Inbox Menu at the top left. So I
right click on the directory and choose delete from the menu, it asks
for reassurance that I really mean delete it, I click on ok, the menu
closes and the directory is still there, delete does not delete it.
The list of directories grows longer with time and all I can do is
rename the directories with xx's so it sorts them to the bottom of the
list!
This may be related to my saving the .thunderbird Mail file for years
mainly to keep the filters I have ... This is Thunderbird 31.5.0 in up
to date Fedora 21/22 and earlier.
Am I the only one seeing this? My efforts with Google have not been
much help.
Bob
I have Thunderbird 31.6 & Fedora 21 amd_x86
I just removed a filter & deleted the folder, and it went away. the
folder is in a sub-folder of my personal folders, NOT the inbox... if
that matters.. I currrently have 253 filters for my gmail account...
--
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
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