8:57 a.m.
Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros ....
With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like Silvia wrote.
But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc etc,
that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
And forget about using wine.
Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine desktop.
Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
Alas.
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Subject: Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?
Use "pdf import" tool. It's a Libreoffice addon. That tool allows you to
open your pdfs, edit them and save them as odg or export them as pdf again.
Another useful tool is Okular, which is a stand alone for pdf.
Hope it helps,
Sylvia
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
Am 18.10.2014 um 01:41 schrieb Bill Oliver:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 +0000 Bill Oliver
> > <vendor(a)billoblog.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a
> > > year
> >
> > Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use
> > about four times a year? R can not substitute for this?
> >
> > Ranjan
> >
> R is good, and I love it. However, fitting distributions is a pain,
> because you basically have to do it by hand. So, I use EasyFit:
>
> http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html
FWIW, easyfit runs quite well under the wine version supplied by
Fedora. As a test, I just downloaded it, double clicked on the installer
which fired up wine, and now the test version works without obvious glitches
(but I only tested it with some fake data).
No kidding. I have frequently had problems with wine, and just sorta
gave up on it about five years ago. I haven't really played with it
much since. Thanks for the info.
billo
12:39 p.m.
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Am 18.10.2014 um 01:41 schrieb Bill Oliver:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 +0000 Bill Oliver
> <vendor(a)billoblog.com> wrote:
>
>
>> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a
>> year
>
> Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use
> about four times a year? R can not substitute for this?
>
> Ranjan
>
R is good, and I love it. However, fitting distributions is a pain,
because you basically have to do it by hand. So, I use EasyFit:
http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html
FWIW, easyfit runs quite well under the wine version supplied by
Fedora. As a test, I just downloaded it, double clicked on the installer
which fired up wine, and now the test version works without obvious
glitches (but I only tested it with some fake data).
9:41 a.m.
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:16:42 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 08:31 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
> On 20/10/14 01:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
> >> Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want
to
> >> characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
> >> to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
> >
> > I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
> > Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
> > list such as this one.
>
> Probability *density* function, actually. :-)
It can be either Distribution or Density. Also a few other things (see
Wikipedia).
Hi,
I believe that Rolf and I (and Bill O) were referencing PDFs from a
probabilistic/statistical perspective. I don't quite know how Wikipedia places as a
quality reference for expertise in everything (I use it more to find references for
further reading), but in probability, a pdf expands to a probability density function.
There is a no such thing as a probability distribution function because as noted, the term
itself is ambiguous and imprecise. Precise statements (even when quantifying imprecision)
are always preferred in scientific literature. Of course, some undergraduate texts also
must share the blame: nowadays I have noticed that they pretty much define anything any
way. (Example: many authors incorrectly call the probability mass function as a
probability density function, perhaps just to be different -- but which is why you have
inattentive students integrating the binomial pmf in tests and getting lost...).
That's the problem with specialist terminology where the
context isn't completely clear, e.g. we all know what ATM is when
talking about a banking network, right? (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). Or
DOS when talking about computers (Denial Of Service). I could go on.
Of course, there will be confusion between Probability Density Function and Portable
Document Format, because they are from different areas and hence the smiley:-) The same
does not hold for the example referenced above.
Sorry to be a stickler on this:-)
Best wishes,
Ranjan
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On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 17:20 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 10/19/2014 04:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> It can be either Distribution or Density. Also a few other things (see
> Wikipedia). That's the problem with specialist terminology where the
> context isn't completely clear, e.g. we all know what ATM is when
> talking about a banking network, right? (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). Or
> DOS when talking about computers (Denial Of Service). I could go on.
Yes, TLAs do tend to get overloaded, don't they? I remember reading,
years ago, that somebody had told a co-worker, "ATM the ATM is off the ATM."
Nice one :-)
poc
7:28 a.m.
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On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you
want to
characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
list such as this one.
poc
2:31 p.m.
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On 20/10/14 01:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
> Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want to
> characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
> to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
list such as this one.
Probability *density* function, actually. :-) (All *good* people would
understand this! :-) )
cheers,
Rolf Turner
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7:20 p.m.
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On 10/19/2014 04:16 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
It can be either Distribution or Density. Also a few other things
(see
Wikipedia). That's the problem with specialist terminology where the
context isn't completely clear, e.g. we all know what ATM is when
talking about a banking network, right? (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). Or
DOS when talking about computers (Denial Of Service). I could go on.
Yes, TLAs do tend to get overloaded, don't they? I remember reading,
years ago, that somebody had told a co-worker, "ATM the ATM is off the ATM."
6:16 p.m.
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On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 08:31 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 20/10/14 01:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
>> Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want to
>> characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
>> to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
>
> I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
> Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
> list such as this one.
Probability *density* function, actually. :-)
It can be either Distribution or Density. Also a few other things (see
Wikipedia). That's the problem with specialist terminology where the
context isn't completely clear, e.g. we all know what ATM is when
talking about a banking network, right? (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). Or
DOS when talking about computers (Denial Of Service). I could go on.
(All *good* people would understand this! :-) )
Er ...
poc
8:20 a.m.
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:28:45 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
> Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want to
> characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
> to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
list such as this one.
Good point :-) Though the "probability density function" (actually, not
probability distribution function which is typically but not always used to refer to the
"cumulative distribution function" or the CDF) precedes electricity much less
the development of electronic computers or software...
I will be answering Bill Oliver off-list.
Best wishes,
Ranjan:-)
poc
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
>
> What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
> the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
> you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
> you have to write the package. It's easier for me to use easyfit than
> write the package.
Never having heard of "easyfit" before now, I guess I am confused as to what
you mean when you say fitting a pdf. What is the form of the pdfs that you want to fit? It
is very unusual to want to fit 50 different parametric pdfs, unless what you mean is
something totally different. In that case, have you considered going the (nonparametric)
density estimation route?
Many thanks,
Ranjan
Well, this isn't really a fedora thing, but since I think it's interesting
I'll impose a little longer.
Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you want to characterize
it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order to do that, you really need to
know the underlying PDF.
Here are two simple examples that I've run into in the past couple of years. I'm
a forensic pathologist, and investigate unnatural death. One common problem in the field
is the issue of abusive head trauma -- can you tell from the injuries on a child that the
injuries *must* have been caused by another, or could they be from an accident of some
sort.
There has been a great deal of biomechanical modeling involved with this issue. Some of
these models are based on physical measurements of the amount of force it takes to
fracture the skull of a child. One very commonly cited study of this actually uses a very
small data set of donated skulls. The data is reported as if it were gaussian, but in
fact if you look at it, it is a uniform distribution.
It's a uniform distribution because the investigators took one or two skulls from
infants of varying ages -- and what they are really measuring is the change in skull
properties over time. It's as if they did a study on "average human height"
and then took one sample from humans at each month from birth to 3 years old.
In situations like this, it's important to see and understand the underlying PDF,
because they then use the data *as if it were gaussian* to create biomechanical models.
And it's wrong to do that -- it's wrong to apply the "average" and
"standard deviation" of height of people from birth to 3 years as the supposed
"average" height of a newborn baby. If you look at the distribution, the error
becomes obvious.
A second example occurred when a group attempted to apply Benford's Law to look for
bias in manner of death determination in forensic death investigation. The investigators
looked at the number of homicides, suicides, accidents, and natural deaths in their
jurisdiction each month over a period of a couple of years, and it *seemed* as if it
followed Benford's Law.
However, it was an artifact of their workload. My office has about twice their workload,
and the first digit for my practice is scaled by two. The distribution is really a pretty
simple gaussian distribution, and these distributions tend not to follow Benford's
Law. Thus, knowing that the distribution fits a normal well is an argument that manner
determination should *not* follow Benford's Law. If, however, the data fit something
like the gamma distribution well, it would *not* argue against the applicability of
Benford's law.
billo
7:21 p.m.
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual
challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same thing
as "easyfit". There are a number of questions that would have to be
addressed of course. E.g. just how do you want/expect the distributions to
be fitted to the data? Maximum likelihood? Are all the distributions dealt
with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via maximum likelihood? And how
is the choice of distribution to be made?
AIC? The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests", which
can be
problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but it too can be
problematic.
Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your
thinking for you" is the right way to go. If the results matter at all, you
need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap the
unwary.
I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make you
build your own library of probability density functions and then do the
fitting on each one." R has a large number of built-in probability density
functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the "easyfit" web
page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum likelihood) using the
fitdistr() function from the MASS package. The fitdistr() function can fit
essentially any distribution for which a probability density function can be
written. Goodness of fit testing is more problematic, but then as I said
that is a problematic topic.
Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual comparison"
is straightforward.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
you have to write the package. It's easier for me to use easyfit than
write the package.
This really isn't an issue of "press a button and let the software do
your thinking," it's more like "press a button and calculate 200 distance
measures." There's no particular virtue in doing the same thing 50
times, one by one.
billo
7:16 p.m.
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On 18/10/14 12:41, Bill Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 +0000 Bill Oliver <vendor(a)billoblog.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
>
> Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use
> about four times a year? R can not substitute for this?
R is good, and I love it. However, fitting distributions is a pain,
because you basically have to do it by hand. So, I use EasyFit:
http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html
This makes it a breeze. I have not been able to find an R package that
does this. All the R packages I've seen make you build your own library
of probability density functions and then do the fitting on each one.
If you know of a package in R that replicates what easyfit does, I'd
**love** to use it.
Happily, I use it seldom enough that I can keep re-installing and using
the demo.
It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual
challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same
thing as "easyfit". There are a number of questions that would have to
be addressed of course. E.g. just how do you want/expect the
distributions to be fitted to the data? Maximum likelihood? Are all
the distributions dealt with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via
maximum likelihood? And how is the choice of distribution to be made?
AIC? The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests", which
can be problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but
it too can be problematic.
Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your
thinking for you" is the right way to go. If the results matter at all,
you need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap
the unwary.
I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make
you build your own library of probability density functions and then do
the fitting on each one." R has a large number of built-in probability
density functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the
"easyfit" web page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum
likelihood) using the fitdistr() function from the MASS package. The
fitdistr() function can fit essentially any distribution for which a
probability density function can be written. Goodness of fit testing is
more problematic, but then as I said that is a problematic topic.
Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual
comparison" is straightforward.
cheers,
Rolf Turner
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6:41 p.m.
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 +0000 Bill Oliver <vendor(a)billoblog.com> wrote:
> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use about four times a
year? R can not substitute for this?
Ranjan
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R is good, and I love it. However, fitting distributions is a pain, because you basically
have to do it by hand. So, I use EasyFit:
http://www.mathwave.com/easyfit-distribution-fitting.html
This makes it a breeze. I have not been able to find an R package that does this. All
the R packages I've seen make you build your own library of probability density
functions and then do the fitting on each one.
If you know of a package in R that replicates what easyfit does, I'd **love** to use
it.
Happily, I use it seldom enough that I can keep re-installing and using the demo.
billo
9:30 a.m.
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, J.Witvliet(a)mindef.nl wrote:
Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros ....
With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like Silvia wrote.
But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc etc,
that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
And forget about using wine.
Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine desktop.
Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
Alas.
Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official. The Linux tools are pretty
good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded forms and such they
just don't work all the time. I keep an old $15 copy of XP in virtualbox mostly so I
can run Adobe Reader when I have to.
But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy. I can
remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine because about half
your stuff *had* to be done in Windows. Then came virtualization, so you don't have
to reboot every time. Then, over the years, it became less and less necessary to use
Windows for specific application needs -- the increase in availability and quality of
open-source stuff on the linux side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.
Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:
1) A few PDF forms.
2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile
Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now. Quite the change from 1995.
But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for PDFs,
I'd run Windows just once every month or two...
billo
2:30 p.m.
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On 21/10/14 03:41, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:16:42 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 08:31 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
>> On 20/10/14 01:28, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 01:10 +0000, Bill Oliver wrote:
>>>> Here's the problem. Let's say you have a set of data and you
want to
>>>> characterize it in order to use it as the basis of a model. In order
>>>> to do that, you really need to know the underlying PDF.
>>>
>>> I assume you mean Probability Distribution Function, not Portable
>>> Document Format. That might not be clear to everyone, particularly on a
>>> list such as this one.
>>
>> Probability *density* function, actually. :-)
>
> It can be either Distribution or Density. Also a few other things (see
> Wikipedia).
Hi,
I believe that Rolf and I (and Bill O) were referencing PDFs from a
probabilistic/statistical perspective. I don't quite know how
Wikipedia places as a quality reference for expertise in everything
(I use it more to find references for further reading), but in
probability, a pdf expands to a probability density function. There
is a no such thing as a probability distribution function because as
noted, the term itself is ambiguous and imprecise. Precise statements
(even when quantifying imprecision) are always preferred in
scientific literature. Of course, some undergraduate texts also must
share the blame: nowadays I have noticed that they pretty much define
anything any way. (Example: many authors incorrectly call the
probability mass function as a probability density function, perhaps
just to be different -- but which is why you have inattentive
students integrating the binomial pmf in tests and getting lost...).
> That's the problem with specialist terminology where the context
> isn't completely clear, e.g. we all know what ATM is when talking
> about a banking network, right? (Asynchronous Transfer Mode). Or
> DOS when talking about computers (Denial Of Service). I could go
> on.
Of course, there will be confusion between Probability Density
Function and Portable Document Format, because they are from
different areas and hence the smiley:-) The same does not hold for
the example referenced above.
Sorry to be a stickler on this:-)
*Extremely* well put! Thank you Ranjan!
cheers,
Rolf
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7:34 p.m.
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:21:35 +0000 Bill Oliver <vendor(a)billoblog.com> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
>
> It would be a bit of work, although not an overwhelming intellectual
> challenge, to produce an R package that would do essentially the same thing
> as "easyfit". There are a number of questions that would have to be
> addressed of course. E.g. just how do you want/expect the distributions to
> be fitted to the data? Maximum likelihood? Are all the distributions dealt
> with by "easyfit" amenable to being fitted via maximum likelihood? And
how
> is the choice of distribution to be made?
> AIC? The "easyfit" web page refers to "goodness of fit tests",
which can be
> problematic, or "visual inspection" --- always a good idea, but it too can
be
> problematic.
>
> Overall I don't think this "press a button and let the software do your
> thinking for you" is the right way to go. If the results matter at all, you
> need to know what you are doing and what pitfalls can lurk to trap the
> unwary.
>
> I don't understand what you mean by "All the R packages I've seen make
you
> build your own library of probability density functions and then do the
> fitting on each one." R has a large number of built-in probability density
> functions (including *most* of the distributions listed on the "easyfit"
web
> page) and most of these can be fitted (via maximum likelihood) using the
> fitdistr() function from the MASS package. The fitdistr() function can fit
> essentially any distribution for which a probability density function can be
> written. Goodness of fit testing is more problematic, but then as I said
> that is a problematic topic.
> Superimposing fitted pdf-s on a histogram of the data for "visual
comparison"
> is straightforward.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rolf Turner
>
What I mean is that R has the capability of generating PDFs, and R has
the capability of calculating various goodness of fit measures, but if
you want to check goodness of fit measures against, say, 50 PDFs, then
you have to write the package. It's easier for me to use easyfit than
write the package.
Never having heard of "easyfit" before now, I guess I am confused as to what you
mean when you say fitting a pdf. What is the form of the pdfs that you want to fit? It is
very unusual to want to fit 50 different parametric pdfs, unless what you mean is
something totally different. In that case, have you considered going the (nonparametric)
density estimation route?
Many thanks,
Ranjan
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9:56 a.m.
New subject: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?
On 17.10.2014 16:49, Joachim Backes wrote:
On 10/17/2014 04:30 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, J.Witvliet(a)mindef.nl wrote:
>
>> Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros ....
>>
>> With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like Silvia
wrote.
>> But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc
etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
>> And forget about using wine.
>>
>> Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine
desktop.
>> Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
>>
>> Alas.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official. The Linux tools are
pretty good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded forms and such
they just don't work all the time. I keep an old $15 copy of XP in virtualbox mostly
so I can run Adobe Reader when I have to.
>
> But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy. I can
remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine because about half
your stuff *had* to be done in Windows. Then came virtualization, so you don't have
to reboot every time. Then, over the years, it became less and less necessary to use
Windows for specific application needs -- the increase in availability and quality of
open-source stuff on the linux side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.
>
> Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:
>
> 1) A few PDF forms.
> 2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
> work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
> 3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
> 4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile
>
> Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now. Quite the change from 1995.
>
> But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for PDFs,
I'd run Windows just once every month or two...
>
> billo
>
Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially
for such PDF stuff. I thought I could forget my win7 virtual box, but it
seems sometimes even win has it's advantages :-(
Try with this
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-July/451151.html
and let us know if it works for you.
10:04 a.m.
New subject: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?
Hi,
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:30:08 +0000 Bill Oliver <vendor(a)billoblog.com> wrote:
3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
Just curious: what is this specific statistics package that you use about four times a
year? R can not substitute for this?
Ranjan
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9:49 a.m.
New subject: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?
On 10/17/2014 04:30 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, J.Witvliet(a)mindef.nl wrote:
> Funny, one sees these questions on the lists of all distros ....
>
> With regards to filling-in form, sometimes one can manage around it, like Silvia
wrote.
> But when it comes to official PDF's from (regional) gouvernements, TAXes, etc
etc, that are digitally signed, only acrobats seems to work.
> And forget about using wine.
>
> Only _really_ working solutions are either dual-boot, or a virtual-machine desktop.
> Or perhaps a joined effort during Google summer event?
>
> Alas.
>
Yeah, I run into this a lot, being a guvm'nt official. The Linux tools are pretty
good for opening *most* things, but when it gets to these embedded forms and such they
just don't work all the time. I keep an old $15 copy of XP in virtualbox mostly so I
can run Adobe Reader when I have to.
But, things have changed a lot over the years, so I'm still pretty happy. I can
remember a decade or so ago when you *had* to have a dual-boot machine because about half
your stuff *had* to be done in Windows. Then came virtualization, so you don't have
to reboot every time. Then, over the years, it became less and less necessary to use
Windows for specific application needs -- the increase in availability and quality of
open-source stuff on the linux side in the past decade is wondrous to behold.
Now, I only bring up Windows for four things:
1) A few PDF forms.
2) To preview Powerpoint presentations to make sure the formatting will
work right with the obligatory Windows machines at meetings
3) One specific statistics package that I use about four times a year
4) One specific 3D photogrammetry package that I haven't used in awhile
Basically, I crank up Windows about once a week now. Quite the change from 1995.
But, I do it -- and this PDF thing is one of the reaons. If it weren't for PDFs,
I'd run Windows just once every month or two...
billo
Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially
for such PDF stuff. I thought I could forget my win7 virtual box, but it
seems sometimes even win has it's advantages :-(
--
Fedora release 21 (Twenty One)
Kernel-3.17.1-300.fc21.x86_64
Joachim Backes <joachim.backes(a)rhrk.uni-kl.de>
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