9:47 a.m.
NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
Don't know what to tell you.
I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC
2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Alan
4:38 a.m.
New subject: presto
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
A few of my machines (2 and 4 cores, SSDs) assemble delta-rpms at
around
1 to 2 MB/sec. I have a 100MBit internet connection, which can peak
around 12 MB/sec. I'd rather get my packages at 12 MB/sec. :)
Am I alone in feeling a tiny environmental or ethical concern
to minimise my contribution to network traffic?
Incidentally, the sheer volume of Fedora updates is astonishing,
compared with the tiny volume of CentOS updates ...
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8:22 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:20:00 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
ones
[root@rh:/etc/yum/pluginconf.d]$
cat /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/presto.conf [main]
enabled=0
Does not exist in newer yum F19+
So to disable it, you hunt the code.
Which is what the OP asked for.
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3:12 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 04/09/2013 02:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
"Trying?" The process is automated, and I've never
seen it fail.
However, if you prefer not to use it, it's your server room, not mine.
Do whatever works for you.
To provide hard evidence to support Kevin/Chris' argument:
A few of my machines (2 and 4 cores, SSDs) assemble delta-rpms at around
1 to 2 MB/sec. I have a 100MBit internet connection, which can peak
around 12 MB/sec. I'd rather get my packages at 12 MB/sec. :)
2:11 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 04/09/2013 11:26 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Because I have a local mirror server about 6 rack units away,
connected
to the same gigabit switch. Why futz around with trying to rebuild
RPMs and apply changes when the full RPM can be downloaded much faster?
"Trying?" The process is automated, and I've never seen it fail.
However, if you prefer not to use it, it's your server room, not mine.
Do whatever works for you.
1:26 p.m.
New subject: presto
Once upon a time, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> said:
I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
It
works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
smaller the files I download the better.
Because I have a local mirror server about 6 rack units away, connected
to the same gigabit switch. Why futz around with trying to rebuild
RPMs and apply changes when the full RPM can be downloaded much faster?
--
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Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
3:24 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 04/09/2013 01:12 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
On 04/09/2013 02:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> "Trying?" The process is automated, and I've never seen it fail.
> However, if you prefer not to use it, it's your server room, not mine.
> Do whatever works for you.
To provide hard evidence to support Kevin/Chris' argument:
A few of my machines (2 and 4 cores, SSDs) assemble delta-rpms at around
1 to 2 MB/sec. I have a 100MBit internet connection, which can peak
around 12 MB/sec. I'd rather get my packages at 12 MB/sec. :)
As I wrote before, do whatever works for you.
3:22 p.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:22:04 -0800
Antonio Olivares <wingators(a)inbox.com> wrote:
Excellent points!
May I add that sometimes the updates don't work via the drpms and the
real ones have to get downloaded again in order to correctly
install. There is always a trade off, but how does yum interpret
that the drpms did not succeed and have to install the big* rpms*
instead of the delta ones?
If the delta rpm assemble step fails, it gets the full update package.
This can happen for example if something has modified a file from the
package thats currently installed. It then cannot create the updated
rpm to use to update.
I see this happen on occasions but I don't question it, I just
let it
slide, but since we are on this topic. I think it is good to know.
Sure.
kevin
5:51 p.m.
New subject: presto
Am 09.04.2013 19:36, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
It works well and I am always looking for ways
to save bandwidth, the smaller the files I download the better
if you are have creeping slow disks and 100 Mbit WAN
the rebuild from delta takes MUCH longer than download
9:25 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 19:13:45 +0200
poma <pomidorabelisima(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The tea party is here. ;)
poma
[1] […]
deltarpm
When non-zero, delta-RPM files are used if available. […]
man 5 yum.conf
This is it! thanks
I scanned for presto and missed this one
Henk
9:01 a.m.
New subject: presto
On 04/09/2013 01:36 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:
I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
It
works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
smaller the files I download the better.
Because on some of my older machines, it takes *way* longer to expand
the drpms and create the rpms than it does to just download the rpms.
What should be a 1 minute download can turn into a 15 second download
and a 5-6 minute delta-expansion.
Bob
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4:46 a.m.
New subject: presto
Am 10.04.2013 11:38, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> A few of my machines (2 and 4 cores, SSDs) assemble delta-rpms at around
> 1 to 2 MB/sec. I have a 100MBit internet connection, which can peak
> around 12 MB/sec. I'd rather get my packages at 12 MB/sec. :)
Am I alone in feeling a tiny environmental or ethical concern
to minimise my contribution to network traffic?
no, you are not
i have one machine with all packages on any machine used installed
this machine has 100Mbit WAN, is downloading the updates without
presto and after that move the files to a internal repo where any
other machine is only using this LAN repo
so i get my updates up to 12 MB/sec, save time and save multiple
traffic in context of the update-mirrors inhouse
____________________________________________
[root@buildserver:~]$ cat /buildserver/repo-cache.sh
#!/usr/bin/bash
basearch=`uname -i`
releasever=`rpm -q --qf "%{version}\n" fedora-release`
for g in `ls -1b /var/cache/yum`
do
if [ -d /var/cache/yum/$g/packages ]
then
echo "/var/cache/yum/$g/packages/ > /repo/cache/fc$releasever/"
mv --verbose /var/cache/yum/$g/packages/*.rpm /repo/cache/fc$releasever/ 2>
/dev/null
fi
done
sudo chown -R builduser:builduser /repo/cache/fc$releasever/
sudo chmod -R 755 /repo/cache/fc$releasever/
____________________________________________
[root@buildserver:~]$ cat /buildserver/repo-create.sh
#!/usr/bin/bash
basearch=`uname -i`
releasever=`rpm -q --qf "%{version}\n" fedora-release`
sudo createrepo -d /repo/cache/fc$releasever/
sudo repoview /repo/cache/fc$releasever/
2:59 a.m.
New subject: presto
On 09/04/13 18:51, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 09.04.2013 19:36, schrieb Bob Goodwin - Zuni:
> I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms? It works well
and I am always looking for ways
> to save bandwidth, the smaller the files I download the better
if you are have creeping slow disks and 100 Mbit WAN
the rebuild from delta takes MUCH longer than download
Yes, I understand that and suspected it was a matter of speed when I
posted the question, just wanted to be certain there wasn't something
going on that I had not considered.
In my case I have several users on a satellite system that requires me
to stay under 25 GB/month and usage is a constant concern. If I exceed
that the cost doubles.
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
box10 Fedora-18 XFCE Linux
6:30 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 09.04.2013 19:41, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:36:05 -0400
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
> I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
> It works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
> smaller the files I download the better.
It's a trade off. It saves you bandwith at the cost of local disk space
and cpu time.
If you have a very fast connection it's usually much faster to just
download the full updates.
if you have a very slow cpu or low on disk space, assembling the deltas
can make things a great deal slower.
If you have a slow or metered connection, and lots of cpu/disk, then
deltas are indeed a big win.
+1
poma
6:25 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 10.04.2013 00:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
[…]
surely not, updates are NEVER exlusive drpms
Good for you! :)
how do you imagine that the delta falls from heaven and what
do you think are the kernel and dracut packages below?
Vorsprung durch Technik. :)
poma
5:49 p.m.
New subject: presto
Am 09.04.2013 18:19, schrieb poma:
On 09.04.2013 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
> have you tried to create the file and set it to "enabled=0"
> or are you only guessing? i have currently no access to
> my homemachine with the rawhide-VM because ISP is down
> and if i would if would have proven it by output or searched
> whatever option or config file is repsonsible
>
> however, there is always a config way without touch the code
At the current branch stage - Fedora release 19 *ain't* Rawhide. ;)
i know that but my VM with "fedora-next" is called rawhide.vmware.local
Updates are exclusively deltas/drpms
surely not, updates are NEVER exlusive drpms
how do you imagine that the delta falls from heaven and what
do you think are the kernel and dracut packages below?
(1/5): bash-completion-2.0-3.fc19_2.1-2.fc19.noarch.drpm
(2/5): policycoreutils-2.1.14-30.fc19_2.1.14-33.fc19.x86_64.drpm
(3/5): python-pycurl-7.19.0-15.fc19_7.19.0-15.1.fc19.x86_64.drpm
(4/5): dracut-027-18.git20130409.fc19.x86_64.rpm
(5/5): kernel-3.9.0-0.rc6.git0.1.fc19.x86_64.rpm
2:22 p.m.
New subject: presto
-----Original Message-----
From: kevin(a)scrye.com
Sent: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 11:41:08 -0600
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:36:05 -0400
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
> I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
> It works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
> smaller the files I download the better.
It's a trade off. It saves you bandwith at the cost of local disk space
and cpu time.
If you have a very fast connection it's usually much faster to just
download the full updates.
if you have a very slow cpu or low on disk space, assembling the deltas
can make things a great deal slower.
If you have a slow or metered connection, and lots of cpu/disk, then
deltas are indeed a big win.
kevin
Excellent points!
May I add that sometimes the updates don't work via the drpms and the real ones have
to get downloaded again in order to correctly install. There is always a trade off, but
how does yum interpret that the drpms did not succeed and have to install the big* rpms*
instead of the delta ones?
I see this happen on occasions but I don't question it, I just let it slide, but since
we are on this topic. I think it is good to know.
Best Regards,
Antonio
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11:44 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 18:19:07 +0200
poma <pomidorabelisima(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 09.04.2013 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
> have you tried to create the file and set it to "enabled=0"
> or are you only guessing? i have currently no access to
> my homemachine with the rawhide-VM because ISP is down
> and if i would if would have proven it by output or searched
> whatever option or config file is repsonsible
>
> however, there is always a config way without touch the code
At the current branch stage - Fedora release 19 *ain't* Rawhide. ;)
Yeah, F19 has branched off rawhide, they are different now.
Updates are exclusively deltas/drpms.
Nope. Regular packages are available as well.
In f19+, I think you can set in /etc/yum.conf:
deltarpm=0
and it will not use them.
This might be a better topic for the test list since f19 is not
released yet.
kevin
12:41 p.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:36:05 -0400
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
It works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
smaller the files I download the better.
It's a trade off. It saves you bandwith at the cost of local disk space
and cpu time.
If you have a very fast connection it's usually much faster to just
download the full updates.
if you have a very slow cpu or low on disk space, assembling the deltas
can make things a great deal slower.
If you have a slow or metered connection, and lots of cpu/disk, then
deltas are indeed a big win.
kevin
12:50 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 09/04/13 13:41, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:36:05 -0400
"Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net> wrote:
> I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms?
> It works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
> smaller the files I download the better.
It's a trade off. It saves you bandwith at the cost of local disk space
and cpu time.
If you have a very fast connection it's usually much faster to just
download the full updates.
if you have a very slow cpu or low on disk space, assembling the deltas
can make things a great deal slower.
If you have a slow or metered connection, and lots of cpu/disk, then
deltas are indeed a big win.
kevin
Ok, clear enough.
Thanks,
Bob
--
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box10 Fedora-18 XFCE Linux
12:44 p.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 13:27 +0200, Henk Breimer wrote:
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:47:05 -0400
Alan Gagne <alanjgagne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
>
> Don't know what to tell you.
> I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
>
> Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC
> 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Alan
sorry, my error; yum-presto has been obsoleted for fc19
My question was meant for that case.
Then you should be asking on the Fedora Test list, not here. F19 is an
unreleased system.
poc
12:36 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 09/04/13 13:13, poma wrote:
> > In f19+, I think you can set in /etc/yum.conf:
> >
> > deltarpm=0
> >
> > and it will not use them.
You are right, I missed this[1] one.
Sorry.
> > This might be a better topic for the test list since f19 is not
> > released yet.
The tea party is here.;)
poma
[1] […]
deltarpm
When non-zero, delta-RPM files are used if available. […]
man 5 yum.conf
I am curious to know why anyone would not want to use the deltarpms? It
works well and I am always looking for ways to save bandwidth, the
smaller the files I download the better.
Bob
--
http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD
box10 Fedora-18 XFCE Linux
12:13 p.m.
New subject: presto
On 09.04.2013 18:44, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
[…]
Yeah, F19 has branched off rawhide, they are different now.
> Updates are exclusively deltas/drpms.
Nope. Regular packages are available as well.
In f19+, I think you can set in /etc/yum.conf:
deltarpm=0
and it will not use them.
You are right, I missed this[1] one.
Sorry.
This might be a better topic for the test list since f19 is not
released yet.
The tea party is here. ;)
poma
[1] […]
deltarpm
When non-zero, delta-RPM files are used if available. […]
man 5 yum.conf
11:19 a.m.
New subject: presto
On 09.04.2013 15:27, Reindl Harald wrote:
have you tried to create the file and set it to
"enabled=0"
or are you only guessing? i have currently no access to
my homemachine with the rawhide-VM because ISP is down
and if i would if would have proven it by output or searched
whatever option or config file is repsonsible
however, there is always a config way without touch the code
At the current branch stage - Fedora release 19 *ain't* Rawhide. ;)
Updates are exclusively deltas/drpms.
poma
9:19 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:27:11 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
have you tried to create the file and set it to "enabled=0"
You are correct
I actually did this as a test on F18 using updates-testing.
if you re-create the presto.conf file
in /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/ it seems to disable drpm(s)
Total download size: 326 k
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading packages:
Not downloading Presto metadata for fedora-updates-testing
(1/4):
xorg-x11-drv-mga-1.6.2-6.fc18.x86_64.rpm
| 66 kB 00:00:01 (2/4):
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.6-4.fc18.x86_64.rpm
| 92 kB 00:00:01 (3/4):
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.1.0-1.fc18.x86_64.rpm
| 82 kB 00:00:01 (4/4):
xorg-x11-font-utils-7.5-11.fc18.x86_64.rpm
I give credit where credit is due.
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8:32 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:27:11 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
have you tried to create the file and set it to
"enabled=0"
or are you only guessing? i have currently no access to
my homemachine with the rawhide-VM because ISP is down
and if i would if would have proven it by output or searched
whatever option or config file is repsonsible
It will tell you there is no plugin called presto.
Presto is only mentioned in yum-cli-commands to grab the
presodelta.xml
Running F18 with yum-rawhide.repo (nightly builds)
F19 F19-yum
Rawhide Rawhide.yum
however, there is always a config way without touch the code
Only if they want you to.
Config files are being actively deprecated.
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Frank
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8:27 a.m.
New subject: presto
Am 09.04.2013 15:22, schrieb Frank Murphy:
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:20:00 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
ones
>
> [root@rh:/etc/yum/pluginconf.d]$
> cat /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/presto.conf [main]
> enabled=0
>
Does not exist in newer yum F19+
So to disable it, you hunt the code.
Which is what the OP asked for
have you tried to create the file and set it to "enabled=0"
or are you only guessing? i have currently no access to
my homemachine with the rawhide-VM because ISP is down
and if i would if would have proven it by output or searched
whatever option or config file is repsonsible
however, there is always a config way without touch the code
8:20 a.m.
New subject: presto
Am 09.04.2013 14:57, schrieb Frank Murphy:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 14:55:36 +0200
Henk Breimer <acbk(a)zeelandnet.nl> wrote:
>
> I would still like to know how it can be switched off
Have a look at:
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yum
besides the fact that this thread would have been
much shorter with a subject like "how to disable
presto in F19 and above" instead bring phrases
like obsoleted and no clear question:
why should someone touch things in /usr and let
them overwrite with any random update?
as user you MUST NOT touch files from RPMs which are not config
i would say included plugins can be disabled the same way as
built-in ones
[root@rh:/etc/yum/pluginconf.d]$ cat /etc/yum/pluginconf.d/presto.conf
[main]
enabled=0
7:55 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:23:07 +0200
Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 09.04.2013 13:27, schrieb Henk Breimer:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:47:05 -0400
> Alan Gagne <alanjgagne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
>>
>> Don't know what to tell you.
>> I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
>>
>> Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19
>> UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> Alan
>
> sorry, my error; yum-presto has been obsoleted for fc19
> My question was meant for that case
and it was obsoleted BECAUSE it is now directly in yum
I would still like to know how it can be switched off
7:23 a.m.
New subject: presto
Am 09.04.2013 13:27, schrieb Henk Breimer:
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:47:05 -0400
Alan Gagne <alanjgagne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
>
> Don't know what to tell you.
> I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
>
> Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC
> 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Alan
sorry, my error; yum-presto has been obsoleted for fc19
My question was meant for that case
and it was obsoleted BECAUSE it is now directly in yum
6:27 a.m.
New subject: presto
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 10:47:05 -0400
Alan Gagne <alanjgagne(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> NoGo : yum-presto has been obsoleted.
Don't know what to tell you.
I have two F18 boxes that are both using the presto plugin for yum.
Linux dw-agagne 3.8.5-201.fc18.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 28 21:01:19 UTC
2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Alan
sorry, my error; yum-presto has been obsoleted for fc19
My question was meant for that case.
Henk
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