Two questions at once, arn't I being curious?

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


To day I received a notification telling me that important OS updates 
were ready to install.

Instead of installing them from the software center though, I went ahead 
and opened up terminal and ran

sudo dnf upgrade --refresh

because i like the --refresh command a lot. Well, my question is, is it 
the same to run the updates from terminal and from the software center? 
does it matter from where they are ran?

The other question, totally unrelated, is: does anyone know/use a sound 
theme that is not the default one, and believe it's a good sound theme? 
if so, where can I get it, and how can I install a sound theme in Fedora?

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/11/21 11:00 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:
>  To day I received a notification telling me that important OS updates
>
>  were ready to install.
>  
>  Instead of installing them from the software center though, I went ahead 
>  and opened up terminal and ran
>  
>  sudo dnf upgrade --refresh
>  
>  because i like the --refresh command a lot. Well, my question is, is it 
>  the same to run the updates from terminal and from the software center? 
>  does it matter from where they are ran? 
Yes, it's the same.  No, it doesn't really matter.  The difference is 
that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to 
reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
command (it's new).

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello,


Ah, I see, thanks.

After the offline update is set up, and the update is done though, does 
the cash clear automatically, or does it have to be cleared manually?

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/12/21 8:53 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 3/11/21 11:00 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:
>> To day I received a notification telling me that important OS updates 
>> were ready to install.
>>
>> Instead of installing them from the software center though, I went 
>> ahead and opened up terminal and ran
>>
>> sudo dnf upgrade --refresh
>>
>> because i like the --refresh command a lot. Well, my question is, is 
>> it the same to run the updates from terminal and from the software 
>> center? does it matter from where they are ran?
>
> Yes, it's the same.  No, it doesn't really matter.  The difference is 
> that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to 
> reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
> command (it's new).
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[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/12/21 12:30 AM, Francisco Tissera wrote:
>  After the offline update is set up, and the update is done though,
> does 
>  the cash clear automatically, or does it have to be cleared manually? 
Either system will clear its own cache, but there used to be a problem 
with Packagekit collecting updates and never clearing them if you used 
dnf to update.  I know there was some discussion about it and that might 
be somehow fixed now.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  The difference is 
>  that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to 
>  reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
>  command (it's new). 
I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything.

poc

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/03/2021 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > The difference is
> > that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to
> > reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right
> > command (it's new).
>  I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
>  'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything. 
Possibly the dnf-automatic package?

Description  : Systemd units that can periodically download package upgrades and
              : apply them.

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People who believe they don't make mistakes have already made one.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 19:28 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>  On 12/03/2021 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  > On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  > > The difference is
>  > > that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to
>  > > reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right
>  > > command (it's new).
>  > I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
>  > 'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything.
>  
>  Possibly the dnf-automatic package?
>  
>  Description  : Systemd units that can periodically download package upgrades and
>                : apply them. 
I think not. I installed that just to look at its man page and although
it does allow automatic (i.e. non-interactive) updates and installs, it
says nothing specifically about reboots.

poc

[Matti Pulkkinen]

pe, 2021-03-12 kello 11:21 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan kirjoitti:
>  On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  > The difference is 
>  > that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to
>  > reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
>  > command (it's new).
>  
>  I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
>  'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything.
>  
>  
A web search yielded this:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/dnf-offline-upgrading-is-now-avail...

It appears the functionality is in a plugin, which is probably why the
documentation doesn't appear in dnf's man page.

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Terveisin / Regards,
Matti Pulkkinen

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2021-03-12 at 12:34 +0000, Matti Pulkkinen wrote:
>  pe, 2021-03-12 kello 11:21 +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan kirjoitti:
>  > On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  > > The difference is 
>  > > that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to
>  > > reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
>  > > command (it's new).
>  > 
>  > I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
>  > 'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything.
>  > 
>  
>  A web search yielded this:
>  https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/dnf-offline-upgrading-is-now-avail...
>  
>  It appears the functionality is in a plugin, which is probably why the
>  documentation doesn't appear in dnf's man page. 
OK, thanks. I'm happy enough with the usual dnf upgrade, but it'suseful
to  know this exists.

poc

[Samuel Sieb]

On 3/12/21 3:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  On Thu, 2021-03-11 at 23:53 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > The difference is
> > that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to
> > reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right
> > command (it's new).
>  
>  I didn't know that. What is the option? A quick search of 'reboot' and
>  'offline' in the man page doesn't show anything. 
Yes, it is rather hidden.  It's part of the "system-upgrade" plugin 
which makes sense, but also makes it rather hard to find.
"man dnf-system-upgrade" will get you the info.
The two new commands are "offline-distrosync" and "offline-upgrade".