2:38 a.m.
Submitted for your amusement:
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/66393/fedora-on-arcade-machine/
Pay attention to the posting date if it doesn't make sense.
6:27 p.m.
On 04/07/2015 12:50 PM, jdow wrote:
On 2015-04-07 09:50, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> On Apr 7, 2015 2:37 AM, "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us
<mailto:joe@zeff.us>>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 04/07/2015 12:56 AM, Tim wrote:
> >>
> >> There's a difference between saying it's "a" support
forum, versus
> >> saying it's "the" support forum. The first means it's a
place you
> can
> >> go, the second means you should go there instead of everywhere else.
> >
> >
> > All forms of Fedora support are community based, even this one when
> you come
> down to it. My impression has always been that ask.fedora is run by
> Fedora, but
> ICBW.
> >
> > --
> > users mailing list
> > users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
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> > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> > Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
>
> ask.fedoraproject.org <http://ask.fedoraproject.org> lives on Fedora
> infrastructure, is maintained by the Fedora infra team, has a
> fedoraproject.org
> <http://fedoraproject.org> domain name, and carries the Fedora
> branding (to some
> extent, anyway, and iirc there is better branding in some state of
> progress).
> It uses the EPEL askbot package, also largely maintained by
> fedora-infra folks.
> You can log into the site with your FAS account. It is even cited in
> the footer
> of every message on this list.
>
> A third party is definitely not running this site, and a boilerplate
> disclaimer
> that user supplied content on the site is not the product of Fedora or
> Red Hat
> as legal entities should not be confusing.
>
> As for the rest, well, everyone has preferences. Lists are
> conversational, and
> that doesn't play well in a Q&A site structured for directly
> addressing a given
> issue. I'm glad that people that prefer lists and people that prefer
> fora both
> have a place to go.
>
> Also, I didn't want to ruin the joke, but shouldn't it be /var/credits
> ? :P
>
> --Pete
Forums don't work after a remarkably short time unless there is a strong
moderator presence and participation. For over a decade I moderated one
of the most active Amiga developer related forums on any online service.
I have grown to prefer mailing lists. They don't search any worse than
forums, arguably better. And mailing lists tend to feature fewer
discussion chains that directly contradict each other's advice absent
strong participation by well clued moderators. I also have found that
mailing lists are handier for "browsing" or scanning. Look over all the
message subject lines, at least. You find things worth opening that way,
things you'd never find on forums or would tend to ignore because they
take too long to load pages and generally do not allow proper comment
chains. For people who want to maintain themselves up to date with the
community thoughts the process of reading messages sucks dead ponies
through garden hoses. You have to back out of the current batch of posts
at least one level, often two or even three. That takes page loading
time. Then you have to drill down to the next topic that looks like it
might be interesting. That takes page loading time. With a mailing list
that's all gone. It comes up in T'bird just fine, sorts by subject, and
pages load in milliseconds vs seconds. But, given the direction Fedora
and Red Hat have been going with their OSs, somehow something as
dysfunctional as web forums sounds appropriate.
Of course, if you guys get clever and develop something akin to the
off-line readers CIS, GEnie, and BiX supported, I might change my mind a
little, especially if it looked somewhat like an MUA such as T'bird.
That mitigates page loading delays if T'bird is setup right. A strong
moderator presence is still needed, though. Message hiding should exist
that runs in two levels, one is removed as off topic. Users can restore
that for themselves. The other level is removed for profanity or other
similar offenses. Those messages would be gone forever.
I might also mention that Joanne did a bang-up job as the moderator.
I was also a member of that Amiga forum (Joanne, I had CIS PPN
"75006,1355") and I was always impressed by Joanne's professionalism
and (rather dry) sense of humor.
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3:03 p.m.
On 04/07/2015 12:50 PM, jdow wrote:
Forums don't work after a remarkably short time unless there is a strong
moderator presence and participation. For over a decade I moderated one
of the most active Amiga developer related forums on any online service.
They also don't work very well unless the users are willing and able to
answer questions and give assistance. I was on one forum years ago that
was effectively "write only" because nobody ever responded to posts no
matter what the subject. The one exception was that any post that said
anything uncomplimentary to the devs of that package would promptly get
flamed. Not by the devs (They made a great big fetish of not following
the "help" forum.) but by the users. Weird! Once I realized how
useless that forum was, I quickly abandoned it, and I've long gotten rid
of the program itself.
4:08 p.m.
On 7 April 2015 at 20:50, jdow <jdow(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
Forums don't work after a remarkably short time unless there is a strong
moderator presence and participation. For over a decade I moderated one of
the most active Amiga developer related forums on any online service. I have
grown to prefer mailing lists. They don't search any worse than forums,
arguably better. And mailing lists tend to feature fewer discussion chains
that directly contradict each other's advice absent strong participation by
well clued moderators. I also have found that mailing lists are handier for
"browsing" or scanning. Look over all the message subject lines, at least.
You find things worth opening that way, things you'd never find on forums or
would tend to ignore because they take too long to load pages and generally
do not allow proper comment chains. For people who want to maintain
themselves up to date with the community thoughts the process of reading
messages sucks dead ponies through garden hoses.
Basically it's unfortunate that usenet is effectively dead.
--
imalone
http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk
3:37 a.m.
On 04/07/2015 12:56 AM, Tim wrote:
There's a difference between saying it's "a"
support forum, versus
saying it's "the" support forum. The first means it's a place you can
go, the second means you should go there instead of everywhere else.
All forms of Fedora support are community based, even this one when you
come down to it. My impression has always been that ask.fedora is run
by Fedora, but ICBW.
2:56 a.m.
poma:
> Where "ask.fedora is the distro's official support
forum"? is stated officially?
Suvayu Ali:
Maybe this counts? https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/about/
Ask Fedora is community edited knowledge base and support forum for
the Fedora community. [...]
There's a difference between saying it's "a" support forum, versus
saying it's "the" support forum. The first means it's a place you can
go, the second means you should go there instead of everywhere else.
Personally, I hate webforums, they're so chaotic and cumbersome to use.
I participate in around a dozen mailing lists, and I can do that because
messages come to me. I couldn't do anything like that if I had to visit
a dozen different websites. About their only saving grace is that you
may be able to find something in them using google.
Not to mention how painful Windows ones are, where your information is
buried in a mass of advertising trying to sell you a solution to a
problem caused by something you've already paid for. Or those sites
where questions just go unanswered, or if they are answered, are sent by
private reply.
--
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.18.9-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 9 17:04:05 UTC 2015 i686
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
7:08 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 06:36:55AM +0200, poma wrote:
On 03.04.2015 23:01, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 04/03/2015 01:58 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
>> Love it! Thanks!
>>
>
> Glad to be of help. BTW, ask.fedora is the distro's official support
> forum. If you need help and can't get it here, it's another resource to
> keep in mind. And, of course, we can always use more knowledgeable
> people answering questions.
>
Where "ask.fedora is the distro's official support forum"? is stated
officially?
Maybe this counts? https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/about/
Ask Fedora is community edited knowledge base and support forum for
the Fedora community. [...]
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
11:36 p.m.
On 03.04.2015 23:01, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 04/03/2015 01:58 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> Love it! Thanks!
>
Glad to be of help. BTW, ask.fedora is the distro's official support
forum. If you need help and can't get it here, it's another resource to
keep in mind. And, of course, we can always use more knowledgeable
people answering questions.
Privacy policy
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/privacy
"Ask Fedora is community maintained and Red Hat or Fedora Project is not
responsible for content. ..."
Content on this site is licensed under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license."
Where "ask.fedora is the distro's official support forum"? is stated
officially?
4:01 p.m.
On 04/03/2015 01:58 PM, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
Love it! Thanks!
Glad to be of help. BTW, ask.fedora is the distro's official support
forum. If you need help and can't get it here, it's another resource to
keep in mind. And, of course, we can always use more knowledgeable
people answering questions.
2:50 p.m.
On 2015-04-07 09:50, Pete Travis wrote:
On Apr 7, 2015 2:37 AM, "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us
<mailto:joe@zeff.us>> wrote:
>
> On 04/07/2015 12:56 AM, Tim wrote:
>>
>> There's a difference between saying it's "a" support forum,
versus
>> saying it's "the" support forum. The first means it's a
place you can
>> go, the second means you should go there instead of everywhere else.
>
>
> All forms of Fedora support are community based, even this one when you come
down to it. My impression has always been that ask.fedora is run by Fedora, but
ICBW.
>
> --
> users mailing list
> users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
> Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
> Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ask.fedoraproject.org <http://ask.fedoraproject.org> lives on Fedora
infrastructure, is maintained by the Fedora infra team, has a fedoraproject.org
<http://fedoraproject.org> domain name, and carries the Fedora branding (to some
extent, anyway, and iirc there is better branding in some state of progress).
It uses the EPEL askbot package, also largely maintained by fedora-infra folks.
You can log into the site with your FAS account. It is even cited in the footer
of every message on this list.
A third party is definitely not running this site, and a boilerplate disclaimer
that user supplied content on the site is not the product of Fedora or Red Hat
as legal entities should not be confusing.
As for the rest, well, everyone has preferences. Lists are conversational, and
that doesn't play well in a Q&A site structured for directly addressing a given
issue. I'm glad that people that prefer lists and people that prefer fora both
have a place to go.
Also, I didn't want to ruin the joke, but shouldn't it be /var/credits ? :P
--Pete
Forums don't work after a remarkably short time unless there is a strong
moderator presence and participation. For over a decade I moderated one of the
most active Amiga developer related forums on any online service. I have grown
to prefer mailing lists. They don't search any worse than forums, arguably
better. And mailing lists tend to feature fewer discussion chains that directly
contradict each other's advice absent strong participation by well clued
moderators. I also have found that mailing lists are handier for "browsing" or
scanning. Look over all the message subject lines, at least. You find things
worth opening that way, things you'd never find on forums or would tend to
ignore because they take too long to load pages and generally do not allow
proper comment chains. For people who want to maintain themselves up to date
with the community thoughts the process of reading messages sucks dead ponies
through garden hoses. You have to back out of the current batch of posts at
least one level, often two or even three. That takes page loading time. Then you
have to drill down to the next topic that looks like it might be interesting.
That takes page loading time. With a mailing list that's all gone. It comes up
in T'bird just fine, sorts by subject, and pages load in milliseconds vs
seconds. But, given the direction Fedora and Red Hat have been going with their
OSs, somehow something as dysfunctional as web forums sounds appropriate.
Of course, if you guys get clever and develop something akin to the off-line
readers CIS, GEnie, and BiX supported, I might change my mind a little,
especially if it looked somewhat like an MUA such as T'bird. That mitigates page
loading delays if T'bird is setup right. A strong moderator presence is still
needed, though. Message hiding should exist that runs in two levels, one is
removed as off topic. Users can restore that for themselves. The other level is
removed for profanity or other similar offenses. Those messages would be gone
forever.
{^_^} Joanne
11:01 a.m.
On 07.04.2015, Tim wrote:
Personally, I hate webforums, they're so chaotic and cumbersome
to use.
I participate in around a dozen mailing lists, and I can do that because
messages come to me. I couldn't do anything like that if I had to visit
a dozen different websites.
I'd like to second that.
There are some reasons why something like a Web Forum exists. One reason is
that in a world full of smartphones and tablets, that's the way a lot of people
use the net. And it's a stupid one in my eyes.
Another one is: they don't even know what a mailing list is and
that such exists. In addition, their mailreaders usually can't handle
large amounts of mail properly.
3:50 a.m.
On 04/02/2015 02:38 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
Submitted for your amusement:
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/66393/fedora-on-arcade-machine/
Pay attention to the posting date if it doesn't make sense.
he needs to connect arcade machine to internet so he can use bit coins.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
CentOS GNU/Linux 6.6
tc,hago.
g
.
11:50 a.m.
On Apr 7, 2015 2:37 AM, "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 12:56 AM, Tim wrote:
>
> There's a difference between saying it's "a" support forum, versus
> saying it's "the" support forum. The first means it's a place you
can
> go, the second means you should go there instead of everywhere else.
All forms of Fedora support are community based, even this one when you
come down
to it. My impression has always been that ask.fedora is run by
Fedora, but ICBW.
--
users mailing list
users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
ask.fedoraproject.org lives on Fedora infrastructure, is maintained by the
Fedora infra team, has a fedoraproject.org domain name, and carries the
Fedora branding (to some extent, anyway, and iirc there is better branding
in some state of progress). It uses the EPEL askbot package, also largely
maintained by fedora-infra folks. You can log into the site with your FAS
account. It is even cited in the footer of every message on this list.
A third party is definitely not running this site, and a boilerplate
disclaimer that user supplied content on the site is not the product of
Fedora or Red Hat as legal entities should not be confusing.
As for the rest, well, everyone has preferences. Lists are conversational,
and that doesn't play well in a Q&A site structured for directly addressing
a given issue. I'm glad that people that prefer lists and people that
prefer fora both have a place to go.
Also, I didn't want to ruin the joke, but shouldn't it be /var/credits ? :P
--Pete
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