Please, don't throw this away.

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

On 9/15/07, Gareth <garethic(a)spin.net.au&gt; wrote:
>   New user, completely astounded at how impossible Fedora is to use.
>  Please, please, pass this on to someone who can fix this thing. Because I
>  like Fedora, but it's killing me.
>  Is anybody in charge here? ( I know, the answer is both yes& no. But
>  ultimately someone somewhere must have a significant clue )
>
>  The following is a list of woes suffered since trying to use Fedora:
>
>
>     - Computer running at full speed for most of last couple of days
>     - Download limits exceeded
>     - Persistent headache
>     - End of tether reached
>     - Difficulty communicating with others
>     - Possible psychotic episodes
>
>
>  It's all to do with finding out what Fedora can & can't do - what works
>  well, what doesn't. Every time i try something new, like KDE  versus Gnome,
>  I can look forward to several hours of downloading. It shouldn't be that
>  frustrating. You should be encouraging people to try new things, not making
>  is a total waste of time.  I suppose  your  internet  connections  are
>  faster -  ours  are  like  swamps.
>
>  Things I want:
>
>     - Ability to quickly try & discard applications
>     - Not the latest software, just something that works.
>     - The ability to investigate the potentials and shortcomings of
>     Linux, preferably on virtual PC or VMware or whatever. I like my XP OS,
>     mainly because I understand it.
>     - Quick, fast, light. I don't want/need the latest version. It came
>     in the box, it should go back in the box, it should come back out of the
>     box. Requiring that I then download every update is ludicrous. If I don't
>     like something it costs me hours.
>      - I made a mistake - let me get back what I had yesterday. When I
>     thought I'd try xfce desktop it cost me about 16 hours to get back to
>     something I could use. No joke. What is that thing?
>     - And frankly the whole process just makes me think maybe Windows
>     isn't so bad after all. I just happen to be doing a course right now that
>     thinks Linux servers are a good idea. Maybe they are, but Lin desktops cause
>     heart attacks.
>
>  Remember - fast & light. Fast & light. Fast and light......
>
>
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>
>  
First, I want say that I am very sorry that you're having so much trouble
with Fedora.

Second, I would like to point out that this is not the correct list for this
inquiry. We handle problems dealing with the website only. The correct place
for this is fedora-list.

And lastly, all operating systems must update. Even Windows has dozens of
critical updates that one must apply every time you install it. And
personally, I switched back to Windows XP for a breif period a few weeks ago
and it was absolutely horrible. I'd also like to point out that the
Australian broadband structure is horrible. If you don't like downloading
the ISO from the internet, there are dozens of places online to buy Fedora
on disk for very little money. I do hope you're able to find someone who can
help you get the most out of Fedora, or at least help you find what works
best for you.

-- 
Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
Kamisamanou.net - http://www.kamisamanou.net

[Andrew Myers]

Any idea where these people are getting this email address from?  Do
we need to look at the "feedback" or "contact us" mechanism on the
site?  It seems it is possibly not serving us well?  Should

Also should we look at this being a closed list?

[Matthias Clasen]

On Sun, Sep 09/16/07, 2007 at 09:10:57AM +1000, Andrew Myers wrote:
>  Any idea where these people are getting this email address from?  Do
>  we need to look at the "feedback" or "contact us" mechanism on the
>  site?  It seems it is possibly not serving us well?  Should
>  
>  Also should we look at this being a closed list? 
fedora-websites-list handles the
email for webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org
(somebody has to do it :))  I definitely agree that we need to make the
exact purpose fo this address much clearer, though (anybody want to
do a separate contact page with fuller explanations?)

Right now, I'm trying to make a system to generate the static pages from
templates which should hopefully make changing all of the footers much
easier (I hope to have something solid by Wednesday).  

Thanks,
Ricky

[Mike McGrath]

Ricky Zhou wrote:
>  On Sun, Sep 09/16/07, 2007 at 09:10:57AM +1000, Andrew Myers wrote:
>    
> > Any idea where these people are getting this email address from?  Do
> > we need to look at the "feedback" or "contact us" mechanism on
> the
> > site?  It seems it is possibly not serving us well?  Should
> >
> > Also should we look at this being a closed list?
> >     
>  fedora-websites-list handles the email for webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org
>  (somebody has to do it :))  I definitely agree that we need to make the
>  exact purpose fo this address much clearer, though (anybody want to
>  do a separate contact page with fuller explanations?)
>
>     
For those on the list that aren't familiar there's a bit of recent 
history that goes along with the webmaster(a)fp.o address in that we just 
recently started redirecting it to this list.  As far as making sure 
people know what to use webmaster for, I think people know the purpose.  
I don't think the person that sent the initial email actually had any 
actual changes in mind (it's very easy to find the right people to 
contact or bugzilla submissions) but instead of doing the work to submit 
bugs he was probably just frustrated and decided to complain to someone 
with no real end game in mind....  We've all been there before :)

    -Mike