Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Hi everyone,

I have been a Fedora user for almost a decade now. I am advised that this is the correct
forum where I can propose contributions and changes to the GetFedora website.

The GetFedora.org pages for Server and Cloud are okay. However, the one for Fedora
Workstation [1] has been bothering me for a long time now. There are some aspects of it
that I've found disturbingly bad and in serious need of change. Luckily, they're
easily replaceable components of the webpage.

Right now, the Workstation page has a very good introduction at the top ("This is the
Linux workstation you've been waiting for") followed by a good introduction
("Fedora Workstation is a reliable [...] corporate environments.")

However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a bunch of sentences
that either make very specific technical references or in general contribute little value
to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more general introduction to
the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences that separate
Fedora from other desktop operating systems.

The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly
bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads that are completely covered in
dirt and dust, running Fedora. It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I
find that to be very off-putting and unprofessional. These photos should be replaced
quickly and I can't believe they've been on the website every time I've gone
to download a Fedora image over the past two years! They can at least be replaced with
photos of clean ThinkPads, and better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen
is an interesting Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.

If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull
requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute
content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.

Regards,
Nadim

[Chaoyi Zha]

Hi Nadim,

I actually tried to replace this exact image in the past when it first came
out, but if I remember correctly, people wanted to keep the image and I was
unsuccessful. Not sure if people have changed their minds. You might want
to contact the marketing team as well.

Cheers,
Chaoyi

On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 at 11:06 <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:

>  Hi everyone,
>
>  I have been a Fedora user for almost a decade now. I am advised that this
>  is the correct forum where I can propose contributions and changes to the
>  GetFedora website.
>
>  The GetFedora.org pages for Server and Cloud are okay. However, the one
>  for Fedora Workstation [1] has been bothering me for a long time now. There
>  are some aspects of it that I've found disturbingly bad and in serious need
>  of change. Luckily, they're easily replaceable components of the webpage.
>
>  Right now, the Workstation page has a very good introduction at the top
>  ("This is the Linux workstation you've been waiting for") followed by a
>  good introduction ("Fedora Workstation is a reliable [...] corporate
>  environments.")
>
>  However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a bunch
>  of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in
>  general contribute little value to selling the project. These could be
>  fixed by focusing on a more general introduction to the desktop
>  environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences that separate
>  Fedora from other desktop operating systems.
>
>  The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're
>  incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads that are
>  completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora. It's like a caricature
>  of a Linux distro website. I find that to be very off-putting and
>  unprofessional. These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe
>  they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image
>  over the past two years! They can at least be replaced with photos of clean
>  ThinkPads, and better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is
>  an interesting Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>
>  If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will
>  make pull requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable,
>  and I will also contribute content and try to make the page more useful and
>  accessible to people interested in Fedora. Right now, the website seems to
>  be made by Fedora users and seems to target people who *already* use
>  Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.
>
>  Regards,
>  Nadim
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[Máirín Duffy]

On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
>  However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
> bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general
> contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more
> general introduction to the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge
> differences that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems. 
Some
specifics would be helpful.
>  The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly
> bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads 
The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was 
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little 
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21 
which was ~1 year ago.
>  that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora. 
There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is 
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen. 
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I 
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her 
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2 
years old at the time of the photoshoot.

I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at 
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a 
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and 
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less 
sleek-looking.
>    It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that
> to be very off-putting and unprofessional. 
Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>  These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe
> they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over
> the past two years! 
This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>    They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
> better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora
> use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>
>  If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull
> requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute
> content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
> Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
> who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Hi Máirín,
I agree with you. Let's focus on being constructive.

1) The laptops in both photos have dusty, dirty screens with little visibility, I think we
can agree on that being an obvious problem that can be easily fixed. Where can I submit
new photos that have laptops showing:
    (A) Cleaner and more visible screens?
    (B) More visible and interesting use-cases of the Fedora Workstation desktop?

2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on the IRC channel,
where I can find the repository for the website so that I can actually submit proposals
for changes so that they can be concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is
supposed to be open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to
(including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource on where I can
actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the website so that they can be
reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on my own server and make the changes so that I
can show them to the team for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How
can I be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial aspect?

Thank you for your response,
Nadim
________________________________________
From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi; websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
>  However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
> bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general
> contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more
> general introduction to the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge
> differences that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems. 
Some
specifics would be helpful.
>  The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly
> bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads 
The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
which was ~1 year ago.
>  that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora. 
There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen.
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2
years old at the time of the photoshoot.

I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
sleek-looking.
>    It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that
> to be very off-putting and unprofessional. 
Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>  These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe
> they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over
> the past two years! 
This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>   They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and better yet,
laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora use-case that is
clearly visible in the photo.
>
> If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull
requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute
content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.

[Chaoyi Zha]

Nadim,

You can find the necessary information on cloning our websites here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fedora_Project_website

We're not trying to stop you from submitting a patch of that's what you're
interested in doing -- but rather, we're discussing the feasibility of
changing the image and the contradictions people have had against modifying
the page so that you're informed when thinking about the page.


Chaoyi

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 PM Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Máirín,
>  I agree with you. Let's focus on being constructive.
>
>  1) The laptops in both photos have dusty, dirty screens with little
>  visibility, I think we can agree on that being an obvious problem that can
>  be easily fixed. Where can I submit new photos that have laptops showing:
>      (A) Cleaner and more visible screens?
>      (B) More visible and interesting use-cases of the Fedora Workstation
>  desktop?
>
>  2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on the
>  IRC channel, where I can find the repository for the website so that I can
>  actually submit proposals for changes so that they can be concretely
>  evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is supposed to be open and welcoming
>  to contributions, everyone I've asked this to (including you) has ignored
>  my question. No one has given me a resource on where I can actually submit
>  my tangible proposals for changes to the website so that they can be
>  reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on my own server and make the
>  changes so that I can show them to the team for evaluation? Why is no one
>  pointing me to the repository? How can I be more constructive when I'm not
>  being helped with this crucial aspect?
>
>  Thank you for your response,
>  Nadim
>  ________________________________________
>  From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
>  To: Nadim Kobeissi; websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website
>
>  On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
>  > However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
>  bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or
>  in general contribute little value to selling the project. These could be
>  fixed by focusing on a more general introduction to the desktop
>  environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences that separate
>  Fedora from other desktop operating systems.
>  Some specifics would be helpful.
>  >
>  > The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos:
>  they're incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads
>
>  The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was
>  taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little
>  over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
>  which was ~1 year ago.
>  > that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora.
>
>  There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
>  some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen.
>  Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
>  don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
>  laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2
>  years old at the time of the photoshoot.
>
>  I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
>  most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a
>  Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
>  was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
>  sleek-looking.
>  >   It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that to be
>  very off-putting and unprofessional.
>
>  Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>  > These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe they've been
>  on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over the
>  past two years!
>  This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>  >   They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
>  better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting
>  Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>  >
>  > If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will
>  make pull requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable,
>  and I will also contribute content and try to make the page more useful and
>  accessible to people interested in Fedora. Right now, the website seems to
>  be made by Fedora users and seems to target people who *already* use
>  Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.
>  --
>  websites mailing list
>  websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Thanks so much, Chaoyi. That's the resource I was looking for! I'll get to work.


Nadim

________________________________
From: Chaoyi Zha <cydrobolt(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:53 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi; Máirín Duffy; websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

Nadim,

You can find the necessary information on cloning our websites here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fedora_Project_website

How to fix bugs on the Fedora Project website -
FedoraProject<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fe...
fedoraproject.org
This page describes how to fix a bug or submit other changes to the Fedora Project
website. Anyone can perform these steps, and you do not need special ...



We're not trying to stop you from submitting a patch of that's what you're
interested in doing -- but rather, we're discussing the feasibility of changing the
image and the contradictions people have had against modifying the page so that you're
informed when thinking about the page.


Chaoyi

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 PM Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:
Hi Máirín,
I agree with you. Let's focus on being constructive.

1) The laptops in both photos have dusty, dirty screens with little visibility, I think we
can agree on that being an obvious problem that can be easily fixed. Where can I submit
new photos that have laptops showing:
    (A) Cleaner and more visible screens?
    (B) More visible and interesting use-cases of the Fedora Workstation desktop?

2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on the IRC channel,
where I can find the repository for the website so that I can actually submit proposals
for changes so that they can be concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is
supposed to be open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to
(including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource on where I can
actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the website so that they can be
reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on my own server and make the changes so that I
can show them to the team for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How
can I be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial aspect?

Thank you for your response,
Nadim
________________________________________
From: Máirín Duffy <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
>  However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
> bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general
> contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more
> general introduction to the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge
> differences that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems. 
Some
specifics would be helpful.
>  The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly
> bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads 
The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
which was ~1 year ago.
>  that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora. 
There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen.
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2
years old at the time of the photoshoot.

I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
sleek-looking.
>    It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that
> to be very off-putting and unprofessional. 
Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>  These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe
> they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over
> the past two years! 
This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>    They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
> better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora
> use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>
>  If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull
> requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute
> content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
> Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
> who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.
--
websites mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Hi everyone,


Here are my suggested replacement photos:

https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg

https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-features-user.jpg


And here is a patch file for the git repository:

https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/0001-Replace-dirty-screens-with-c...


Please let me know if these can be integrated into the website.


Thanks,

Nadim

[https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg]

[https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-features-user.jpg]


________________________________
From: Chaoyi Zha <cydrobolt(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:53 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi; Máirín Duffy; websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

Nadim,

You can find the necessary information on cloning our websites here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fedora_Project_website

How to fix bugs on the Fedora Project website -
FedoraProject<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_fix_bugs_on_the_Fe...
fedoraproject.org
This page describes how to fix a bug or submit other changes to the Fedora Project
website. Anyone can perform these steps, and you do not need special ...



We're not trying to stop you from submitting a patch of that's what you're
interested in doing -- but rather, we're discussing the feasibility of changing the
image and the contradictions people have had against modifying the page so that you're
informed when thinking about the page.


Chaoyi

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 PM Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:
Hi Máirín,
I agree with you. Let's focus on being constructive.

1) The laptops in both photos have dusty, dirty screens with little visibility, I think we
can agree on that being an obvious problem that can be easily fixed. Where can I submit
new photos that have laptops showing:
    (A) Cleaner and more visible screens?
    (B) More visible and interesting use-cases of the Fedora Workstation desktop?

2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on the IRC channel,
where I can find the repository for the website so that I can actually submit proposals
for changes so that they can be concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is
supposed to be open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to
(including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource on where I can
actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the website so that they can be
reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on my own server and make the changes so that I
can show them to the team for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How
can I be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial aspect?

Thank you for your response,
Nadim
________________________________________
From: Máirín Duffy <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
To: Nadim Kobeissi;
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
>  However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
> bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references or in general
> contribute little value to selling the project. These could be fixed by focusing on a more
> general introduction to the desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge
> differences that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems. 
Some
specifics would be helpful.
>  The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos: they're incredibly
> bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old ThinkPads 
The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo was
taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a little
over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
which was ~1 year ago.
>  that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora. 
There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the screen.
Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was 1-2
years old at the time of the photoshoot.

I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used a
Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
sleek-looking.
>    It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that
> to be very off-putting and unprofessional. 
Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
>  These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe
> they've been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image over
> the past two years! 
This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
>    They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
> better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an interesting Fedora
> use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
>
>  If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I will make pull
> requests with suggestions to make the website more reasonable, and I will also contribute
> content and try to make the page more useful and accessible to people interested in
> Fedora. Right now, the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
> who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a bad strategy.
--
websites mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Matthew Miller]

I really appreciate the hard work that went into creating the original
website and photos. Of course, there's always room for improvement, and
it's nice to refresh some things, both to make sure they're current
with what's in Fedora, and just for the sake of keeping them fresh.


>  https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg
On a very specific note, there's pretty visible white halo around the
laptop in both this and the original. Especially since it's the lead
image, it'd be nice to clean that up.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Hey Matthew,

I don't have the necessary skills to remove the white halo. Seeing as it's already
present on the original image, perhaps we can go ahead and use my improved images anyway,
and have the halo fixed in the future?

Thanks for steering the ship,
Nadim

________________________________________
From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:57 PM
To: websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

I really appreciate the hard work that went into creating the original
website and photos. Of course, there's always room for improvement, and
it's nice to refresh some things, both to make sure they're current
with what's in Fedora, and just for the sake of keeping them fresh.


>  https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg
On a very specific note, there's pretty visible white halo around the
laptop in both this and the original. Especially since it's the lead
image, it'd be nice to clean that up.

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Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Máirín Duffy]

The members of the web team can address any issues and have the necessary skills to do so.
Thanks for your feedback.

On March 22, 2016 6:02:10 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:
> Hey Matthew,
>
> I don't have the necessary skills to remove the white halo. Seeing as
> it's already present on the original image, perhaps we can go ahead and
> use my improved images anyway, and have the halo fixed in the future?
>
> Thanks for steering the ship,
> Nadim
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:57 PM
> To: websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website
>
> I really appreciate the hard work that went into creating the original
> website and photos. Of course, there's always room for improvement, and
> it's nice to refresh some things, both to make sure they're current
> with what's in Fedora, and just for the sake of keeping them fresh.
>
>
> > https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg
>
> On a very specific note, there's pretty visible white halo around the
> laptop in both this and the original. Especially since it's the lead
> image, it'd be nice to clean that up.
>
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[Nadim Kobeissi]

Hi Mairin,
When will the new photos be added? :-)

Thanks,
Nadim (sent from pocket computer)



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 4:07 PM -0700, "Máirín Duffy"
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:

The members of the web team can address any issues and have the necessary skills to do so.
Thanks for your feedback.

On March 22, 2016 6:02:10 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:

Hey Matthew,

I don't have the necessary skills to remove the white halo. Seeing as it's already
present on the original image, perhaps we can go ahead and use my improved images anyway,
and have the halo fixed in the future?

Thanks for steering the ship,
Nadim

________________________________

From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:57 PM
To: websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org<http://GetFedora.org> Workstation Website

I really appreciate the hard work that went into creating the original
website and photos. Of course, there's always room for improvement, and
it's nice to refresh some things, both to make sure they're current
with what's in Fedora, and just for the sake of keeping them fresh.


 https://disk.nadim.computer/misc/fedora/workstation-splash.jpg

On a very specific note, there's pretty visible white halo around the
laptop in both this and the original. Especially since it's the lead
image, it'd be nice to clean that up.

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<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
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[Máirín Duffy]

This issue, as with all other issues we deal with on the websites team, will be
prioritized accordingly.

~m

Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Nadim Kobeissi]

Understandable.

I sincerely appreciate everyone's continued efforts on this. I've been using
Fedora for 7+ years and it's great to feel like I can contribute.

I should apologize for coming off strongly, at first, regarding this issue. I was honestly
just unhappy with the state of the photos. I want to be clear that I respect
everyone's contributions to the project and the general collaborative atmosphere.

Regards,
Nadim

________________________________________
From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:08 PM
To: websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

This issue, as with all other issues we deal with on the websites team, will be
prioritized accordingly.

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[Robert Mayr]

2016-03-24 17:19 GMT+01:00 Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt;:

>  Understandable.
>
>  I sincerely appreciate everyone's continued efforts on this. I've been
>  using Fedora for 7+ years and it's great to feel like I can contribute.
>
>  I should apologize for coming off strongly, at first, regarding this
>  issue. I was honestly just unhappy with the state of the photos. I want to
>  be clear that I respect everyone's contributions to the project and the
>  general collaborative atmosphere.
>
>  Regards,
>  Nadim
>
>  
I guess we can push them with Alpha, tuesday 29th.

More generally speaking we have the images now since F21, that's some time
ago and I mean also Server and Cloud. We could probably, aiming at F24 GA
release, try to refresh the images to keep getfedora.org up to date.
Promoting F24 and having a F21 background in the images is not really
consistent IMHO.
If we want to do that we should take these task to Design ASAP, to give
them enough time to produce them. Thoughts?

Happy Easter anyone.

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Refresh Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation Website

[Máirín Duffy]

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:54:22 PM EDT, Robert Mayr wrote:
>  If we want to do that we should take these task to Design ASAP, 
>  to give them enough time to produce them. Thoughts? 
https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/430

:)

Happy Easter!

~m

[Máirín Duffy]

On March 20, 2016 11:33:01 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; wrote:
> 2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on
> the IRC channel, where I can find the repository for the website so
> that I can actually submit proposals for changes so that they can be
> concretely evaluated. Although the Fedora Project is supposed to be
> open and welcoming to contributions, everyone I've asked this to
> (including you) has ignored my question. No one has given me a resource
> on where I can actually submit my tangible proposals for changes to the
> website so that they can be reviewed. Do I have to copy the website on
> my own server and make the changes so that I can show them to the team
> for evaluation? Why is no one pointing me to the repository? How can I
> be more constructive when I'm not being helped with this crucial
> aspect? 
All of this is not constructive. Here is a suggestion as to what all of the above should
have said:

"Where is the website repo?"

The rest is unconstructive and ranty.

~m


> Thank you for your response,
> Nadim
> ________________________________________
> From: Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:14 AM
> To: Nadim Kobeissi; websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: Replace Terrible Photos on GetFedora.org Workstation
> Website
>
> On 03/20/2016 11:06 AM, nadim(a)nadim.computer wrote:
> > However, what comes after that is the problem: the Workstation has a
> bunch of sentences that either make very specific technical references
> or in general contribute little value to selling the project. These
> could be fixed by focusing on a more general introduction to the
> desktop environment, daily-use features, and cutting-edge differences
> that separate Fedora from other desktop operating systems.
> Some specifics would be helpful.
> >
> > The most critical problem I have with the website are the photos:
> they're incredibly bad. The photos are of, literally, decade-old
> ThinkPads
>
> The top photo is of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 that, at the time the photo
> was
> taken, was a couple of months old. I believe at this point it's a
> little
> over a year, which makes sense since the website was launched with F21
> which was ~1 year ago.
> > that are completely covered in dirt and dust, running Fedora.
>
> There is one photo, taken of an actual real Fedora user, where there is
> some light reflecting on the screen and there's some dust on the
> screen.
> Sure, we could process that photo to remove that. We can do that. I
> don't think it's the huge deal you're portraying it to be. Also, her
> laptop is a Thinkpad and it cannot be older than 3 years, likely was
> 1-2
> years old at the time of the photoshoot.
>
> I appreciate constructive feedback, but spinning a laptop that is at
> most 3 years old to be 10 years old is really not constructive. I used
> a
> Thinkpad in 2006, it was a T41 and it looked quite a bit different and
> was noticeably thicker with a much smaller screen and was less
> sleek-looking.
> >   It's like a caricature of a Linux distro website. I find that to be
> very off-putting and unprofessional.
>
> Again, let's be constructive. This is not.
> > These photos should be replaced quickly and I can't believe they've
> been on the website every time I've gone to download a Fedora image
> over the past two years!
> This site has been active for 1 year, not 2.
> >   They can at least be replaced with photos of clean ThinkPads, and
> better yet, laptops where what's actually on the screen is an
> interesting Fedora use-case that is clearly visible in the photo.
> >
> > If anyone can point me to the correct repository for the website, I
> will make pull requests with suggestions to make the website more
> reasonable, and I will also contribute content and try to make the page
> more useful and accessible to people interested in Fedora. Right now,
> the website seems to be made by Fedora users and seems to target people
> who *already* use Fedora, which is very near-sighted and ultimately a
> bad strategy. 
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On 21.03.2016 10:59, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  All of this is not constructive. Here is a suggestion as to what all 
of the above should have said:
>  "Where is the website repo?"
>
>  The rest is unconstructive and ranty. 
astoundingly, instead of accepting the contribution of the participant 
and agree to the errors in the organization of work and interaction with 
the participants, who wish to contribute. you allow yourself to 
criticize and use sharp words. great job with the participants and, of 
course, favorable to the further activity of volunteers.

On March 20, 2016 11:33:01 PM EDT, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer&gt; 
wrote:
>  2) I have asked now multiple times, here in my previous email and on
>  the IRC channel 
you have done a wonderful job! photos that you have suggested, I think, 
can be an excellent substitute for former photos, really terrible 
photos, it is in the same style, but much better!

please do not take to heart the reproaches in your address. people like 
you, active and emotional, may amend, improve and correct the situation. 
because, until now, all those who act "by protocol" is not found neither 
the time nor the energy to correct the situation.

I wish you good luck and success in his future activities.