[Fedora-websites-list] Re: Daily news feeds Proposal

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 16:35 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote:
>  On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:53:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
>  > .. If news.fedoraproject.org is just 
>  > going to be a redirect to fedoranews.org then it might feasible for you 
>  > to try drupal and others but I think it would better for the formal 
>  > sites to be within the same infrastructure. 
>  
>  I've already installed it (Dupal) and trying to learn some of its new features. :)
>  
>  http://fedoranews.org/cms/
>   
There are several reasons why we should be converging on a single
dynamically typed language and single statically typed language, as much
as possible, for fedora infrastructure:
  1. conservation of skills
  2. consistency of message
  3. component interaction

Right now we have a buildsystem in python, an accounts system in python
a wiki in python and all the major tools for fedora, in python, but
we're testing out php-based cms? Am I the only one who thinks that seems
kinda dumb?

I think we should be looking at some of the python cms implementations
and for custom applications looking at turbogears and friends.

-sv

[Yoshihiro Totaka]

Hi,

Will news.fedoraproject.org have translation?
If so, apache + zope + plone might be a good choice for cms.
I am not interested in maintaining news.fedoraproject.org, but it would
be nice to have news site for Japanese as well.

Thank you and Best Regards,
Yoshihiro

seth vidal wrote:
>  On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 16:35 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote:
>  
> >On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:53:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
> >
> >>.. If news.fedoraproject.org is just 
> >>going to be a redirect to fedoranews.org then it might feasible for you 
> >>to try drupal and others but I think it would better for the formal 
> >>sites to be within the same infrastructure. 
> >
> >I've already installed it (Dupal) and trying to learn some of its new features.
> :)
> >
> >http://fedoranews.org/cms/
> >
>  
>  
>  There are several reasons why we should be converging on a single
>  dynamically typed language and single statically typed language, as much
>  as possible, for fedora infrastructure:
>    1. conservation of skills
>    2. consistency of message
>    3. component interaction
>  
>  Right now we have a buildsystem in python, an accounts system in python
>  a wiki in python and all the major tools for fedora, in python, but
>  we're testing out php-based cms? Am I the only one who thinks that seems
>  kinda dumb?
>  
>  I think we should be looking at some of the python cms implementations
>  and for custom applications looking at turbogears and friends.
>  
>  -sv
>  
>

[Thomas Chung]

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:58:14 +0900, Yoshihiro Totaka wrote
>  Hi,
>  
>  Will news.fedoraproject.org have translation?
>  If so, apache + zope + plone might be a good choice for cms.
>  I am not interested in maintaining news.fedoraproject.org, but it would
>  be nice to have news site for Japanese as well.
>  
>  Thank you and Best Regards,
>  Yoshihiro 
I've been testing drupal on my site and it supports Locale: multi-language module.

http://drupal.org/node/290


--
Thomas Chung
FedoraNEWS.ORG (http://fedoranews.org)
"..where you can free your knowledge for your free community!"

[Yoshihiro Totaka]

Thomas Chung wrote:
>  On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:58:14 +0900, Yoshihiro Totaka wrote
>  
> >Hi,
> >
> >Will news.fedoraproject.org have translation?
> >If so, apache + zope + plone might be a good choice for cms.
> >I am not interested in maintaining news.fedoraproject.org, but it would
> >be nice to have news site for Japanese as well.
> >
> >Thank you and Best Regards,
> >Yoshihiro
>  
>  
>  I've been testing drupal on my site and it supports Locale: multi-language module.
>  
>  http://drupal.org/node/290
>   
That looks good. There seems to be Japanese drupal site too. I hope 
news.fedoraproject.org will be built with multi-language on mind.

Thank you and Best Regards,
Yoshihiro

[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 18:50 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
>  On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 16:35 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote:
>  > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:53:56 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote
>  > > .. If news.fedoraproject.org is just 
>  > > going to be a redirect to fedoranews.org then it might feasible for you 
>  > > to try drupal and others but I think it would better for the formal 
>  > > sites to be within the same infrastructure. 
>  > 
>  > I've already installed it (Dupal) and trying to learn some of its new features.
> :)
>  > 
>  > http://fedoranews.org/cms/
>  > 
>  
>  There are several reasons why we should be converging on a single
>  dynamically typed language and single statically typed language, as much
>  as possible, for fedora infrastructure:
>    1. conservation of skills
>    2. consistency of message
>    3. component interaction 
Sure, but the various informal Fedora sites can use whatever they want,
right?

Why cannot Thomas et al use whatever they want and get news from us via
RSS feeds?

- Karsten
-- 
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                       Red Hat SELinux Guide
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/selinux-guide/

[Seth Vidal]

>  Sure, but the various informal Fedora sites can use whatever they
> want,
>  right? 
of course. But Thomas was talking about it for the primary site.


>  Why cannot Thomas et al use whatever they want and get news from us
> via
>  RSS feeds? 
indeed.

Just to clarify my position:

I think php is generally dangerous.
I think drupal is provenly unsafe.
I don't think we have the necessary rigor in place yet to support the
infrastructure we want on the fedoraproject.org site.

I think your sysadmins at red hat agree about php in large part b/c of
the pain that is updating fedora.redhat.com

I think we can do two things to make this get better:

1. start by targeting a specific subset of functionality we need and
either finding it or writing it.
2. work on using some of the templating systems that already exist for
rendering the website.
3. upgrade the current site onto the new hardware so we can begin
playing with options.


The network pieces that I needed in order to move the new
fedoraproject.org hardware to the correct place are coming to pass this
wednesday. (We're moving buildsys.fedoraproject.org and
mirror.linux.duke.edu, too).

Once that happens the new system will be setup and running. 

The things I intend to do on the new system:
 1. setup moinmoin 1.3.5 - including the docbook renderable pages:
    http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnXmlPages
    we've been kept from doing that b/c fedoraproject.org was running
rhel3(ish) and the version of python was not new enough.

 2. setup planet-plus for the feed aggregators so we can make our planet
interface a little bit cooler.

I'm also going to setup another, test box to let people start working on
cgis and web interfaces. This will be a box we can blow up at a moments
notice so the point here is only to let people work together on things.

A lot of this stuff has been waiting on things to happen since my job
changed at duke.

I'll be grabbing account info and ssh keys from the fedora accounts
system so hopefully anyone who wants to test things out there will be
able to.

-sv