12:10 p.m.
When I click "Join Fedora" and signup for a Fedora Account the captcha when
I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my
password I found a tiny bit hard to find.
2:06 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:10:06AM -0600, Alex Lutz wrote:
When I click "Join Fedora" and signup for a Fedora Account
the captcha when
I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my
password I found a tiny bit hard to find.
(This new contributor signed up yesterday during our fedora-event-splash
FAD at UTOSC 2009, FWIW.)
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12:44 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 01:06:21PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote:
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:10:06AM -0600, Alex Lutz wrote:
> When I click "Join Fedora" and signup for a Fedora Account the captcha
when
> I signup is very hard to read. Also, when logged in the option to change my
> password I found a tiny bit hard to find.
(This new contributor signed up yesterday during our fedora-event-splash
FAD at UTOSC 2009, FWIW.)
And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in
person at UTOSC.
Now, about that captcha... :-)
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4:04 p.m.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in
person at UTOSC.
Now, about that captcha... :-)
Is there really a known issue with those captcha ?
Another user claimed to have difficulties to sign in fedora account:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2009-October/m...
Chitlesh
9:32 a.m.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> And welcome, Alex! It's been nice meeting and talking to you in
> person at UTOSC.
>
> Now, about that captcha... :-)
Is there really a known issue with those captcha ?
Another user claimed to have difficulties to sign in fedora account:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-electronic-lab-list/2009-October/m...
At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen
shot of the capcha our way?
-Mike
10:16 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a
screen
shot of the capcha our way?
Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about
40-50 refreshes.
http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
--
Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org>
"Why, a four-year-old could understand this report.
Find me a four-year-old child.
I can't make head or tail out of it." -- Groucho Marx, "Duck Soup"
10:29 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen
> shot of the capcha our way?
>
Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about
40-50 refreshes.
http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
We'll have to see what options we have.
-Mike
10:48 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen
> > shot of the capcha our way?
> >
> Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about
> 40-50 refreshes.
>
> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
>
Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
We'll have to see what options we have.
-Mike
I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can
see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort,
but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read.
I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is
the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for
the eyes to focus on the letters.
BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I
would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer
bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I
don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to
eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple
like this getting in the way.
Cheers,
Clint
10:52 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath
<mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> > At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a screen
>> > shot of the capcha our way?
>> >
>> Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about
>> 40-50 refreshes.
>>
>> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
>>
>
> Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
> We'll have to see what options we have.
>
> -Mike
I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can
see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort,
but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read.
I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is
the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for
the eyes to focus on the letters.
BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I
would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer
bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I
don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to
eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple
like this getting in the way.
it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before
abandoning it.
-Mike
11:01 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> > At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a
screen
> >> > shot of the capcha our way?
> >> >
> >> Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of about
> >> 40-50 refreshes.
> >>
> >> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
> >>
> >
> > Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
> > We'll have to see what options we have.
> >
> > -Mike
>
> I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can
> see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort,
> but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read.
> I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is
> the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for
> the eyes to focus on the letters.
>
> BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I
> would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer
> bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I
> don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to
> eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple
> like this getting in the way.
>
it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before
abandoning it.
-Mike
Oh, I wasn't suggesting abandoning it, I think it's great. I just
wonder if we could tone it down some. Sorry if I implied such a
thing, I am excited to see that we're using CAPTCHA.
Clint
11:34 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Mike McGrath
<mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> >> > At present there are no known problems, can you get them to send a
screen
>> >> > shot of the capcha our way?
>> >> >
>> >> Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of
about
>> >> 40-50 refreshes.
>> >>
>> >> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
>> >>
>> >
>> > Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
>> > We'll have to see what options we have.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>>
>> I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye can
>> see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no effort,
>> but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read.
>> I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand is
>> the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for
>> the eyes to focus on the letters.
>>
>> BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I
>> would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer
>> bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I
>> don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible to
>> eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple
>> like this getting in the way.
>>
>
> it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before
> abandoning it.
>
> -Mike
Oh, I wasn't suggesting abandoning it, I think it's great. I just
wonder if we could tone it down some. Sorry if I implied such a
thing, I am excited to see that we're using CAPTCHA.
I'm not actually sure, here's the app we're using:
http://code.google.com/p/tgcaptcha/
It's a pretty easy change to start using Vanasco-Dowty but it gets tricky.
neither one is particularly easy to read (which I guess is the point)
-Mike
12:01 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Ian Weller wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:32:42AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >> >> > At present there are no known problems, can you get them to
send a screen
> >> >> > shot of the capcha our way?
> >> >> >
> >> >> Here's seven fairly unreadable ones, out of a random sample of
about
> >> >> 40-50 refreshes.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://ianweller.fedorapeople.org/captcha/
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Pooh, this is an opinion one, I can read each of those without issue.
> >> > We'll have to see what options we have.
> >> >
> >> > -Mike
> >>
> >> I don't think it's an opinion one as much as what a particular eye
can
> >> see. In my case, I can read 'most' of them with little to no
effort,
> >> but there were at least 3 that I had to squint or move closer to read.
> >> I've had perfect vision all of my life. What I don't understand
is
> >> the value of having colored boxes that make it extremely difficult for
> >> the eyes to focus on the letters.
> >>
> >> BTW, I understand what a captcha is and its intended purpose, but I
> >> would argue that this is only one step of many for preventing computer
> >> bots to invade the fedora project. Mitigation is the goal here, I
> >> don't think it's possible to eliminate all bots, but it is possible
to
> >> eliminate a few potential contributors because of something simple
> >> like this getting in the way.
> >>
> >
> > it's a new technology to us, I'd rather try to get it fixed before
> > abandoning it.
> >
> > -Mike
>
> Oh, I wasn't suggesting abandoning it, I think it's great. I just
> wonder if we could tone it down some. Sorry if I implied such a
> thing, I am excited to see that we're using CAPTCHA.
>
I'm not actually sure, here's the app we're using:
http://code.google.com/p/tgcaptcha/
It's a pretty easy change to start using Vanasco-Dowty but it gets tricky.
neither one is particularly easy to read (which I guess is the point)
-Mike
Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see
on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it
takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just
my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good
compromise.
Clint
midnight
On 10/13/2009 10:31 PM, Clint Savage wrote:
Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see
on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it
takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just
my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good
compromise.
Yep and doesn't cause problems with color blind folks either.
Rahul
8:06 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:01:41AM -0600, Clint Savage wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mike McGrath
<mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not actually sure, here's the app we're using:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/tgcaptcha/
>
> It's a pretty easy change to start using Vanasco-Dowty but it gets tricky.
> neither one is particularly easy to read (which I guess is the point)
>
> -Mike
Actually the Vanasco-Dowty is *much* easier to read (from what I see
on their google code page). I can read the McDermott CAPTCHA, but it
takes my eyes more effort and I had to squint a little. This is just
my experience, but I think the Vanasco-Dowty would be a good
compromise.
Bodhi switched from Vanasco-Dowty to McDermott because Vanasco-Dowty was too
hard for people to use. I remember playing with it and I think the issue
was that Vanasco-Dowty is much harder to figure out uppercase and lowercase
than McDermott. Note that that's not something you realize by reading the
documentation -- that's only something you realize by having your captcha
rejected because you typed "CIKLOPSUVWXZ" instead of "ciklopsuvwxz".
I'd love to see someone create a new captcha algorithm that was easier to
use. I'd work on it myself but I don't know what a computer can or cannot
read.
-Toshio
8:45 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:06:30PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
I remember playing with it and I think the issue
was that Vanasco-Dowty is much harder to figure out uppercase and lowercase
than McDermott. Note that that's not something you realize by reading the
documentation -- that's only something you realize by having your captcha
rejected because you typed "CIKLOPSUVWXZ" instead of "ciklopsuvwxz".
Can we hack/patch it to use only uppercase letters?
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Find me a four-year-old child.
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