10:32 a.m.
Just noticed that fedora have just launched a new website [1], must
say I like the more simplistic theme (guess it will be much easier to
get maintain) also its great that its very straight forward to access
the download page. That I say have some concerns about the workstation
page [2].
It feels very much like workstation page target engineers/developers
and not the advantage user, have fedora given up that market?
Some of the pictures on that page are not very nice.
*The picture of the person who gives a quote is unsharp and the person
looks very stereotypical of how you expect a developer to look like
(nothing against that person).
*One of a pictures feature a person typing on a computer with a very
dirty screen, think this ruins the pictures as it really takes focus
from an otherwise beautiful picture and gives overall a bad impression
of the page and to some degree fedora.
1 https://getfedora.org/
2 https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/
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10:41 a.m.
Hi Oliver,
On 12/10/2014 11:32 AM, Oliver Propst wrote:
Just noticed that fedora have just launched a new website [1], must
say I like the more simplistic theme (guess it will be much easier to
get maintain) also its great that its very straight forward to access
the download page.
I'm glad you like it.
It feels very much like workstation page target engineers/developers
and not the advantage user, have fedora given up that market?
That's a question for the workstation working group - we designed the
sites based on guidance from the individual working groups. The
information about how to contact that group should be here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation
Some of the pictures on that page are not very nice.
*The picture of the person who gives a quote is unsharp and the person
looks very stereotypical of how you expect a developer to look like
(nothing against that person).
What do you mean by unsharp?
Why would we use pictures of people who didn't look like developers to
represent developers? We take pictures of real people who really use
Fedora, not models. I don't see many models coding. It would be
disingenuous at best to use a photo of a model.
*One of a pictures feature a person typing on a computer with a very
dirty screen, think this ruins the pictures as it really takes focus
from an otherwise beautiful picture and gives overall a bad impression
of the page and to some degree fedora.
If that's all it takes to leave a bad impression... wow. We can consider
tweaking the image but I absolutely disagree with the level of
importance here.
~m
11:04 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hi Oliver,
Hi Marin,
That's a question for the workstation working group - we designed
the sites
based on guidance from the individual working groups. The information about
how to contact that group should be here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation
I see, it was just that I noticed that
the page was using very much
developer jargon. But understand that if you are targeting developers
as the workstation product seem to do.
What do you mean by unsharp?
That the picture are lacking some
contrast.
Why would we use pictures of people who didn't look like
developers to
represent developers? We take pictures of real people who really use Fedora,
not models. I don't see many models coding. It would be disingenuous at best
to use a photo of a model.
Hm right, well just thought it may spreed a
stereotypical image of
Linux/Fedora users.
> *One of a pictures feature a person typing on a computer with a
very
> dirty screen, think this ruins the pictures as it really takes focus
> from an otherwise beautiful picture and gives overall a bad impression
> of the page and to some degree fedora.
If that's all it takes to leave a bad impression... wow. We can consider
tweaking the image but I absolutely disagree with the level of importance
here.
Ok maybe I was exaggerated a bit here about the picture leaving a bad
impression of fedora, sorry. That said I still find it very
distracting and don't think its a very good idea to feature a such a
flawed picture especially when its the element you are promoting that
is flawed. Would be great if the team wants to fix it.
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11:08 a.m.
On 12/10/2014 12:04 PM, Oliver Propst wrote:
> Why would we use pictures of people who didn't look like
developers to
> represent developers? We take pictures of real people who really use Fedora,
> not models. I don't see many models coding. It would be disingenuous at best
> to use a photo of a model.
Hm right, well just thought it may spreed a stereotypical image of
Linux/Fedora users.
If female developers is stereotypical for Linux and Fedora, then I want
to be stereotypical!
:)
~m
11:41 a.m.
Hi,
I'm don't want to weigh in on the other aspects of this issue, but I agree
with Oliver that the Workstation cover picture (first picture) is blurry.
Maybe we can find a clearer one? It looks a bit rushed this way.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014, 12:15 PM Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On 12/10/2014 12:04 PM, Oliver Propst wrote:
>> Why would we use pictures of people who didn't look like developers to
>> represent developers? We take pictures of real people who really use
Fedora,
>> not models. I don't see many models coding. It would be disingenuous at
best
>> to use a photo of a model.
> Hm right, well just thought it may spreed a stereotypical image of
> Linux/Fedora users.
If female developers is stereotypical for Linux and Fedora, then I want
to be stereotypical!
:)
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12:02 p.m.
On 12/10/2014 12:41 PM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
I'm don't want to weigh in on the other aspects of this
issue, but I
agree with Oliver that the Workstation cover picture (first picture) is
blurry. Maybe we can find a clearer one? It looks a bit rushed this way.
Oliver mentioned the interviewee's photo on the workstation page, and a
picture lower down with a woman typing at a Fedora laptop. As I
understand it he did not mention the cover image on the Workstation page.
The cover image of the Fedora Workstation page features an image that
was purposefully shot with a depth of field so that the background faded
out and the laptop was in focus. If your are referring to the laptop
appearing blurry to you, I would like to know about that, because that
is certainly not the case on my system. Could you send a screenshot?
~m
1:29 p.m.
Hi Mo,
To clarify what is being stated about the first image IMHO it that the
screen of the laptop appears polarized, like when looking from an angle on
some screens. The left side of the weather app appears in negative. The
depth of field isn't the issue at all here.
Cheers,
Bryan
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
wrote:
On 12/10/2014 12:41 PM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
> I'm don't want to weigh in on the other aspects of this issue, but I
> agree with Oliver that the Workstation cover picture (first picture) is
> blurry. Maybe we can find a clearer one? It looks a bit rushed this way.
>
Oliver mentioned the interviewee's photo on the workstation page, and a
picture lower down with a woman typing at a Fedora laptop. As I understand
it he did not mention the cover image on the Workstation page.
The cover image of the Fedora Workstation page features an image that was
purposefully shot with a depth of field so that the background faded out
and the laptop was in focus. If your are referring to the laptop appearing
blurry to you, I would like to know about that, because that is certainly
not the case on my system. Could you send a screenshot?
~m
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2:04 p.m.
On 12/10/2014 02:29 PM, Bryan Sutherland wrote:
Hi Mo,
To clarify what is being stated about the first image IMHO it that the
screen of the laptop appears polarized, like when looking from an angle
on some screens. The left side of the weather app appears in negative.
Okay, I wouldn't qualify any of this as blurriness.
There is a slight halo around the laptop because it was originally a
sloppily masked out placeholder; we didn't have time to update the image
and are aware of that issue.
I don't know what you mean about the left side of the weather app
appearing in negative? That is what the weather app looks like....
~m
2:07 p.m.
On 2014-12-10 17:41, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 12/10/2014 11:32 AM, Oliver Propst wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation
> Some of the pictures on that page are not very nice.
>
> *The picture of the person who gives a quote is unsharp and the person
> looks very stereotypical of how you expect a developer to look like
> (nothing against that person).
What do you mean by unsharp?
This might be due to using a monitor with a higher resolution than
1024x768. As the photo itself is only 1024px wide, it loses some
sharpness when it scales up together with the page width. It still looks
all right at 1280x768, but at 1920x1080 that I'm using here, the low
resolution of the photo gets very evident.
It would be better to use a version of the photo with higher quality, or
use a round closeup like on the server and cloud pages.
In order to get away with faster loading times on lower resolutions you
can add something like this to the css and load the higher resolution
photo only above 1024:
@media (min-width: 1025px) {
#workstation .product-testimonial {
background:
url('../images/workstation/workstation-testimonial-highres.jpg');
}
}
- Andreas
2:16 p.m.
I have no idea what the page looks on your computers, but I see this:
http://i.imgur.com/IVdaQIA.jpg
The computer is very blurry and grainy. I've looked at it through many
browsers (FF, IE, Opera) and both on my desktop and my laptop. It has the
same grainy texture.
On Wed Dec 10 2014 at 15:07:23 Andreas Nilsson <lists(a)andreasn.se> wrote:
On 2014-12-10 17:41, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On 12/10/2014 11:32 AM, Oliver Propst wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation
>
>> Some of the pictures on that page are not very nice.
>>
>> *The picture of the person who gives a quote is unsharp and the person
>> looks very stereotypical of how you expect a developer to look like
>> (nothing against that person).
>
> What do you mean by unsharp?
This might be due to using a monitor with a higher resolution than
1024x768. As the photo itself is only 1024px wide, it loses some
sharpness when it scales up together with the page width. It still looks
all right at 1280x768, but at 1920x1080 that I'm using here, the low
resolution of the photo gets very evident.
It would be better to use a version of the photo with higher quality, or
use a round closeup like on the server and cloud pages.
In order to get away with faster loading times on lower resolutions you
can add something like this to the css and load the higher resolution
photo only above 1024:
@media (min-width: 1025px) {
#workstation .product-testimonial {
background:
url('../images/workstation/workstation-testimonial-highres.jpg');
}
}
- Andreas
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3:05 p.m.
On 12/10/2014 03:16 PM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
I have no idea what the page looks on your computers, but I see
this:
http://i.imgur.com/IVdaQIA.jpg
The computer is very blurry and grainy. I've looked at it through many
browsers (FF, IE, Opera) and both on my desktop and my laptop. It has
the same grainy texture.
Wow that's wild. I've got a 2560x1440 monitor here and it does not look
like that. Could be some kind of weird scaling thing - we have noticed
at some sizes as you resize the browser windows, etc. high-res images go
blurry (like completely out of sync with the pixel grid.) We'll look
into it.
~m
5:04 a.m.
Wow that's wild. I've got a 2560x1440 monitor here and it
does not look like
that. Could be some kind of weird scaling thing - we have noticed at some
sizes as you resize the browser windows, etc. high-res images go blurry
(like completely out of sync with the pixel grid.) We'll look into it.
Have the team looked into this yet? Did you came to any conclusions?
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12:55 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 04:05:50PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>I have no idea what the page looks on your computers, but I see
this:
>http://i.imgur.com/IVdaQIA.jpg
Wow that's wild. I've got a 2560x1440 monitor here and it does not
look like that. Could be some kind of weird scaling thing - we have
noticed at some sizes as you resize the browser windows, etc.
high-res images go blurry (like completely out of sync with the
pixel grid.) We'll look into it.
For what it's worth, it looks pixel-for-pixel like that on my laptop
too.
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4:26 p.m.
Maybe you are looking at a cached page? This is the raw picture -
https://getfedora.org/static/images/workstation/workstation-splash.jpg
It certainly doesn't look clear to me.
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 04:05:50PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >I have no idea what the page looks on your computers, but I see this:
> >http://i.imgur.com/IVdaQIA.jpg
> Wow that's wild. I've got a 2560x1440 monitor here and it does not
> look like that. Could be some kind of weird scaling thing - we have
> noticed at some sizes as you resize the browser windows, etc.
> high-res images go blurry (like completely out of sync with the
> pixel grid.) We'll look into it.
For what it's worth, it looks pixel-for-pixel like that on my laptop
too.
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