7:48 p.m.
Hi
Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into that
and fix the issues.
Rahul
9:24 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into
that and fix the issues.
Good call. Rahul, next time you're at that cafe if you wouldn't mind
take a look. The code is available at:
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/wiki/kindofblue/?root=fedora
-Mike
9:38 p.m.
I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions of
IE available.
Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
On 25/06/07, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
> recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
> 50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into
> that and fix the issues.
Good call. Rahul, next time you're at that cafe if you wouldn't mind
take a look. The code is available at:
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/wiki/kindofblue/?root=fedora
-Mike
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4:09 a.m.
On 6/25/07, Andrew Myers <am2605(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions
of
IE available.
Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
Likewise, I use Firefox, IE7, Opera, Apple Safari (beta), under Windows XP,
as well as Firefox, Konqueror and Opera under Linux.
I noticed the graying out of titles in the wiki pages under IE.
John Babich
Volunteer, Fedora Project
10:33 a.m.
Andrew Myers wrote:
I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions
of
IE available.
Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
I believe the version was IE 5.5. The bottom portion of the text was
mialigned and flowed through to a second page.
Rahul
10:42 a.m.
On 6/25/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Andrew Myers wrote:
> I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions of
> IE available.
>
> Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
> had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
>
I believe the version was IE 5.5. The bottom portion of the text was
mialigned and flowed through to a second page.
Rahul
That's a tall order to have the web team code for IE 5.5.
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10:49 a.m.
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On 6/25/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Andrew Myers wrote:
> > I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions of
> > IE available.
> >
> > Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
> > had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
> >
>
> I believe the version was IE 5.5. The bottom portion of the text was
> mialigned and flowed through to a second page.
>
> Rahul
That's a tall order to have the web team code for IE 5.5.
Are you going to be involved anyway?
Rahul
10:50 a.m.
On 6/25/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On 6/25/07, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> Andrew Myers wrote:
>> > I don't mind having a look at this as I have a number of versions of
>> > IE available.
>> >
>> > Is there any particular area you were concerned with Rahul? I just
>> > had a very quick look in IE6 and can't see any real problems?
>> >
>>
>> I believe the version was IE 5.5. The bottom portion of the text was
>> mialigned and flowed through to a second page.
>>
>> Rahul
>
>
> That's a tall order to have the web team code for IE 5.5.
Are you going to be involved anyway?
No, as such I will hush up.
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10:07 a.m.
Mike McGrath wrote:
> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
cafe
> recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
> 50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into
> that and fix the issues.
The image problem is because IE6 doesn't support
transparent PNGs- I'll
try to implement the hideous hack for it in IE only.
As for the alignment issues, it should be noted that the current CSS in
CVS isn't synced on the site, which are probably causing a lot of the
problems (I mentioned this on IRC a while ago).
Thanks,
Ricky
2:27 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 11:07 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
As for the alignment issues, it should be noted that the current CSS
in
CVS isn't synced on the site, which are probably causing a lot of the
problems (I mentioned this on IRC a while ago).
Not according to what I just saw[1]. What is in CVS is tagged LIVE and
is the same as what we are serving at
http://fedoraproject.org/style.css.
- Karsten
[1] For the curiously lazy ...
[kwade@erato F-7]$ cvs status -v style.css
===================================================================
File: style.css Status: Up-to-date
Working revision: 1.5
Repository revision: 1.5 /cvs/fedora/web/static/F-7/style.css,v
Sticky Tag: (none)
Sticky Date: (none)
Sticky Options: (none)
Existing Tags:
LIVE (revision: 1.5)
[kwade@erato F-7]$ cd /tmp ; wget http://fedoraproject.org/style.css
--12:25:14-- http://fedoraproject.org/style.css
Resolving fedoraproject.org... 209.132.176.122
Connecting to fedoraproject.org|209.132.176.122|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 4059 (4.0K) [text/css]
Saving to: `style.css'
100%[======================================================================================>]
4,059 --.-K/s in 0.04s
12:25:14 (100 KB/s) - `style.css' saved [4059/4059]
[kwade@erato tmp]$ cd -
/home/kwade/Documents/projects/fedora/cvs-fedora/web/static/F-7
[kwade@erato F-7]$ diff -u style.css /tmp/style.css
[kwade@erato F-7]$
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2:30 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 12:27 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 11:07 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
> As for the alignment issues, it should be noted that the current CSS in
> CVS isn't synced on the site, which are probably causing a lot of the
> problems (I mentioned this on IRC a while ago).
Not according to what I just saw[1]. What is in CVS is tagged LIVE and
is the same as what we are serving at
http://fedoraproject.org/style.css.
Sorry, I think you must be talking about the Moin CSS, not the static
CSS.
When it is sufficiently painful for F-Infra to do it manually, they'll
figure out how to automate it, I reckon.
- Karsten
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2:36 p.m.
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 12:27 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 11:07 -0400, Ricky Zhou wrote:
>
>
>> As for the alignment issues, it should be noted that the current CSS in
>> CVS isn't synced on the site, which are probably causing a lot of the
>> problems (I mentioned this on IRC a while ago).
>>
> Not according to what I just saw[1]. What is in CVS is tagged LIVE and
> is the same as what we are serving at
> http://fedoraproject.org/style.css.
>
Sorry, I think you must be talking about the Moin CSS, not the static
CSS.
When it is sufficiently painful for F-Infra to do it manually, they'll
figure out how to automate it, I reckon.
Actually, in general, I'm pretty un happy with the way we do automated
pushes from cvs -> the website. For both security reasons and best
practice reasons. Some of that we inherited, some of it not. In our
case (like with docs.fp.o) cvs is our CMS so its required there but for
some stuff like code I really prefer not to do it that way.
-Mike
3:34 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 14:36 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
Karsten Wade wrote:
>
> When it is sufficiently painful for F-Infra to do it manually, they'll
> figure out how to automate it, I reckon.
>
Actually, in general, I'm pretty un happy with the way we do automated
pushes from cvs -> the website. For both security reasons and best
practice reasons. Some of that we inherited, some of it not. In our
case (like with docs.fp.o) cvs is our CMS so its required there but for
some stuff like code I really prefer not to do it that way.
Note that I left out the "how". :) I trust FI to come up with something
sane, and to ask for feature needs in advance.
- Karsten
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10:25 a.m.
Mike McGrath wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
> recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
> 50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into
> that and fix the issues.
Good call. Rahul, next time you're at that cafe if you wouldn't mind
take a look. The code is available at:
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/web/wiki/kindofblue/?root=fedora
That wouldnt be very useful. For one, I don't visit the cafe often and I
don't understand the modifications needed and hence the call for help.
Rahul
9:19 a.m.
Hi Rahul,
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
cafe
recently and the site looks completely misaligned.
I thought that we had talked about this a couple of weeks ago and you'd
said you'd provide a screenshot?
(Seriously, hard to fix if you don't know how it's broken :) )
~m
9:47 a.m.
On 6/25/07, Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi Rahul,
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
> recently and the site looks completely misaligned.
I thought that we had talked about this a couple of weeks ago and you'd
said you'd provide a screenshot?
(Seriously, hard to fix if you don't know how it's broken :) )
~m
Screenshots of four (4) semi-random pages from the fedoraproect.org
site, taken from IE7 running on Windows XP SP2.
To be clear, I hate IE with a passion and think coding for it is
generally a waste of time.
But here are the screenshots, let me know of other pages that you may need:
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/index.php?path=fedoraproject/
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9:49 a.m.
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
To be clear, I hate IE with a passion and think coding for it is
generally a waste of time.
After my own heart :)
But here are the screenshots, let me know of other pages that you may
need:
http://www.pembo13.com/pub/index.php?path=fedoraproject/
The only thing that looks funkified to me is the blue-background header
titles on the wiki, which should be white IIRC.
~m
10:31 a.m.
Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Rahul,
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net cafe
> recently and the site looks completely misaligned.
I thought that we had talked about this a couple of weeks ago and you'd
said you'd provide a screenshot?
(Seriously, hard to fix if you don't know how it's broken :) )
Screenshots would only help to fix this particular issue. This requires
ongoing effort to make sure that any modifications made don't affect the
browsers end users use quite often which is why I said I would send a
mail here later which I did now. What would be ideal is folks who are
involved in fixing the issues run IE and check against it before the
commits go live.
It is not particular relevant whether you like IE or not as long as
there is a significant percentage (33% is still 1/3. It was 50% a few
weeks back) of our visitors use that browser.
Rahul
10:54 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Hi Rahul,
>
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
>> cafe recently and the site looks completely misaligned.
>
> I thought that we had talked about this a couple of weeks ago and
> you'd said you'd provide a screenshot?
>
> (Seriously, hard to fix if you don't know how it's broken :) )
Screenshots would only help to fix this particular issue.
Sure, but isn't the point to get this particular issue fixed?
This requires
ongoing effort to make sure that any modifications made don't affect the
browsers end users use quite often which is why I said I would send a
mail here later which I did now.
What would be ideal is folks who are
involved in fixing the issues run IE and check against it before the
commits go live.
Folks who actually use and care about IE see issues and they send
screenshots/problem descriptions here. Seems like a decent process to
me, and doesn't require folks who prefer not to use IE to use it (I
won't, I'm sorry.)
It is not particular relevant whether you like IE or not as long as
there is a significant percentage (33% is still 1/3. It was 50% a few
weeks back) of our visitors use that browser.
I doubt 33% of FPO's visitors use IE 5.5; in fact I would find it hard
to believe 33% of that 33% use it. :) IE 5.5 is notorious for its
security issues and rendering bugs and is very outdated at this point (I
remember 'fixing' pages to play nice with IE 5.5 6 years ago.) I think
supporting IE 6 and IE 7 only at this point is a quite reasonable rule
of thumb and I think we've made a statement to this effect on this list
before.
~m
11:06 a.m.
Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> Hi Rahul,
>>
>> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
>>> cafe recently and the site looks completely misaligned.
>>
>> I thought that we had talked about this a couple of weeks ago and
>> you'd said you'd provide a screenshot?
>>
>> (Seriously, hard to fix if you don't know how it's broken :) )
>
> Screenshots would only help to fix this particular issue.
Sure, but isn't the point to get this particular issue fixed?
That's part of it but it would be better if we make sure that when we
make modifications we also check against the popular browsers.
I think
supporting IE 6 and IE 7 only at this point is a quite reasonable
rule
of thumb and I think we've made a statement to this effect on this list
before.
I am not quite sure what the version number was since this happened a
couple of weeks back. I don't know who gets to decide which browsers
are going to be supported since there is no formal team or team lead. If
this is policy I would prefer that it was documented in the wiki
prominently rather than in some offhand mailing list post.
Having a formal team is good for other reasons too as Karsten Wade
highlighted before. After the discussion surrounding spins and security
page happened, I wrote a draft content and then later a reminder with no
responses and I didn't know who to approach to follow up and it hasn't
happened so far.
Rahul
11:18 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
If this is policy I would prefer that it was documented in the wiki
prominently rather than in some offhand mailing list post.
I agree. Perhaps we
could create some sort of standards/policy similar
to what the GNOME Web team has done here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPolicies
Ricky
11:26 a.m.
Ricky Zhou wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> If this is policy I would prefer that it was documented in the wiki
> prominently rather than in some offhand mailing list post.
>
I agree. Perhaps we could create some sort of standards/policy similar
to what the GNOME Web team has done here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/WebPolicies
One item on the pre F8 list right now for the Infrastructure Team is a
proper look and feel for the applications we write. It'd be great to
have a fedora WebPolicies as well as some sort of branding guide for our
web sites. Its not that our developers don't want the sites to look
alike, its just that right now we have no agreed format for it.
-Mike
11:11 a.m.
Máirín Duffy wrote:
I doubt 33% of FPO's visitors use IE 5.5; in fact I would find it
hard
to believe 33% of that 33% use it. :) IE 5.5 is notorious for its
security issues and rendering bugs and is very outdated at this point
(I remember 'fixing' pages to play nice with IE 5.5 6 years ago.) I
think supporting IE 6 and IE 7 only at this point is a quite
reasonable rule of thumb and I think we've made a statement to this
effect on this list before.
A test matrix for browsers wouldn't be a bad idea but it's totally in
our power to say "we don't support IE5.5" or simply not do anything.
One thing I like about open source is that stuff that doesn't need to
get done... often doesn't. If someone doesn't care enough to fix
something its a good idea to examine if its something that really needs
fixing.
-Mike
9:21 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Our stats show that
50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into that
and fix the issues.
Also, FYI, 33.4 % IE not 50%
http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/#browsers
~m
10:58 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
cafe
recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into that
and fix the issues.
Fix committed- works in IE 6/7 (I'll need to find out how I
can even get
IE 5.5 to test with).
Useful tip: http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php is a great service
that lets you see a website rendered in IE 5.5/6/7
Ricky
11:06 a.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Had a chance to look at http://fedoraproject.org from IE in a net
cafe
recently and the site looks completely misaligned. Our stats show that
50% of our users using this browser so might be useful to look into that
and fix the issues.
Gah, I was a bit fast with sending that last e-mail. I got a
copy of IE
5.5 from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html- the PNG
hack seems to work there, even though it fails at the IE rendering
website I gave.
Since it'll probably take time for somebody to update the live
CSS/kindofblue.py (which somebody with access might need to do
manually), my test setup is available at http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/.
Thanks,
Ricky
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