Re: Files in /etc/xdg/autostart should be declared as %config(noreplace)

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 27.4.2017 v 15:49 Edgar Hoch napsal(a):
>  I agree - see the last section of my mail. Your approach is better.
>
>  But how do we get this approach to Fedora? Who is responsible for changeing the package
> guidelines and changing the packages (possibly even for Fedora 26?)? 
Anybody can bring packaging concerns to:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Committee


Vít


>  Am 27.04.2017 um 14:57 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> > wrong approach
> >
> > go the systemd way
> >
> > * distribution only installs to /usr/lib/xdg/autostart
> > * /etc/xdg/autostart with the same name to override by admin
> > * create a symlink to /dev/null for disable saomething completly
> >
> > that is all much saner than the .rpmnew / .rpmsave dance
> >
> > Am 27.04.2017 um 14:52 schrieb Edgar Hoch:
> >> I want to start a discussion about xdg autostart.
> >>
> >> The problem is that system adminstrators should be able to install packages so
> software is available for users, but they should be able to configure which programs are
> autostarted on desktop login.
> >>
> >> Currently, I can modify files in /etc/xdg/autostart, and add a line
> "Hidden=true" or something like "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;", or I can remove
> files in this directory. But after an update of the package this file belongs to the file
> is overwritten with the original file of the package, so my changes are lost
> >>
> >> For example, in our university environment I don't want to autostart services
> like syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
> tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
> tracker-store.desktop zeitgeist-datahub.desktop at all as a default for all users (users
> can change it for themselfs), and services like baloo_file.desktop firewall-applet.desktop
> gnome-software-service.desktop kdeconnectd.desktop sealertauto.desktop
> syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
> tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
> tracker-store.desktop xpad.desktop xscreensaver-autostart.desktop
> zeitgeist-datahub.desktop should not start when using GNOME.
> >>
> >> The problem is that non (?) of the packages declare files in /etc/xdg/autostart
> as %config(noreplace). But in practice these files are configuration files.
> >>
> >> There should be any mechanism for administators to change the default of
> autostarting desktop services systemwide for all and for specific desktops.
> >> One possibility would be not to overwrite these files on package updates.
> >>
> >> A better solution would be to store system defaults in /usr (for example, in
> /usr/share/xdg/autostart), and let /etc free for administrator purposes, as it was
> designed for systemd in /etc/systemd/system - where I can overwirte systemd services, or
> disable them all. Moreover better would be a command line interface (and a _working_
> graphical interface) to configure autostart services systemwide and for individual users
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