Re: general compliment for F19/F20

[Reindl Harald]

first:

be sure after the style of replies like yours i will
hestitate try to make compilemts again in the public
because the aggresive way you react leads nowhere else
then flamewars

Am 25.01.2014 21:26, schrieb Haïkel Guémar:
>  Le 25/01/2014 20:40, Reindl Harald a écrit :
> > i think sometimes some nice words are worth
> >
> > F19/F20 so far are great releases with nearly zero regressions
> > possibly because RHEL7 is cooked based on F19/F20 and partyl Rawhide
>  
>  No, all the merit is due to Fedora contributors and our efforts to improve the quality of
> the overall distro.
>  Fedora is *community-driven*, implying that RHEL7 may be one of the cause of that success
> is rude to the
>  contributors whether they are paid or not by Red Hat 
wow - even if someone makes a compliment it is taken rude - impressive

the difference shortly before a new RHEL release is that the timeframe
is *much* more important for the RH folks than some random release

accept it or not - you can't change the facts - period

> > the only downside currently are some systemd mis-behaviors
> hopefully
> > resolved before F19 is EOL and F20 becomes mandatory on servers
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023788
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1023820
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010572
> >
> > i really appreciate the distribution and only wish some major
> > features in F15-F17 would not appear again from the viewpoint
> > of their user-impact by "be first for a too high price"
>
>  "In cauda venenum"
>  Please read Fedora mission statement: 
i do not need to read it 100 times

>  "The Fedora Project's mission is to *lead* the advancement
> of free and open source software and content as a
>  collaborative community." (emphasis is mine) 
so what - lead does not mean "lead for every price at any moment of time"

>  I'm proud that we did these disruptive changes, because if we
> didn't, they might never have happened 
you could be even more proud if they would have happened anyways
but not that disruptive

>  Many Fedora contributors feel the same (and a consequent number
> disagree too).
>  We're not doing to get the first place, just to bring and help mature the changes we
> feel right: systemd is one of
>  them. And what happened later proved us that we were right. 
and systemd with the state of F16/F17 and more server packages converted to systemd-units
would not have been that disruptive - period - in general systemd is a great improvement
and honestly before F15 was released the description and goals where things i really
loved
to see, but not in a hurry, not in that state