Hi Neal,
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 12:44 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:10 PM <erich(a)ericheickmeyer.com>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There
> are
> multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be
> beneficial
> to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to
> be
> helping improve the situation in GNOME that exist as the biggest
> objections from the community of musicians and Linux audio
> enthusiasts
> in the overall community.
>
> The biggest objections are resource usage, since the more resources
> that are in use, the more it tends to interfere with real-time
> audio
> processes, causing buffer overruns and/or underruns. These overruns
> and
> underruns are known as Xruns. The fewer Xruns, the better, as Xruns
> cause pops during recording. When doing real-time audio work, you
> want
> to have as low of latency as possible which requires as small of a
> buffer as possible. The goal is to have a small buffer to get
> minimal
> latency while avoiding Xruns.
>
> Unfortunately, GNOME has, since 3.0, traditionally interfered with
> these processes and caused Xruns. My goal, by moving Fedora Jam
> from
> Plasma to GNOME, is to help GNOME improve this situation.
>
I would personally be very sad if Fedora Jam switched from KDE to
GNOME. To me, KDE has always been the home for creatives, and it
shows
with the excellent Qt/KDE based software for auditory and visual
creativity. From my perspective, KDE is the environment that creative
people can feel at home in.
This is exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Thank you!
> The other reason for switching away from Plasma is the overall
> negative
> attitude I see from Fedora KDE users and former Fedora KDE
> contributors. It seems to be an attitude against the progress of
> improving the Linux desktop for the better, and simply complaining.
> I
> know some of this attitude comes from Red Hat dropping KDE from
> being a
> desktop in REHL, among other changes. That attitude is regressive,
> and
> does nothing to help the community if all you do is complain. I
> could
> name names, but for the sake of the "Friends" foundation, I will
> not.
>
As a Fedora KDE user, I hope I'm not lumped in that bucket. :)
While I am *deeply* disappointed at Red Hat for removing KDE from
RHEL, that is mostly because people seem to think KDE is no good
because Red Hat dropped it rather than it being due to lack of
engineers to support it.
However, one thing I have been very disappointed about is the
attitude
of some folks who are not actively involved or contributing to Fedora
KDE disparaging virtually everyone else and the work they do. In
general, it's very much against our tenants, our expectation of being
excellent to each other, and our philosophy as a community.
As a member of many major groups in Fedora, including the KDE SIG, I
do not personally tolerate such disparagement. If there is a
technical
foundation for disagreement, then there's something to discuss, but
personally attacking people is never okay. If I have the ability to
do
something about it, I will.
Always good to read you. :)
You are definitely not in that bucket. I see your contributions as
nothing but productive and constructive.
> Anyhow, I'd love to see a discussion about this as well as
any
> guidance
> toward making this change. I know there would have to be a new
> kickstart along with Koji pointing toward said kickstart. I could
> make
> the kickstart, but I think I'd need Koji to look for it.
>
The mechanics of making such a change are fairly straightforward:
change the fedora-jam KS to switch from the KDE base to the GNOME
base
in the fedora-kickstarts repository:
https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/blob/master/f/fedora-live-jam_kde.ks
You'll need to re-rationalize your customizations on top of that, but
it's doable.
The kickstart is definitely what I would be working in, and the
customizations in there are pretty minimal as you can see.
That said, this whole thing isn't set-in-stone, I just wanted to probe
the community to see what people thought. :)
-Erich