On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 18:47, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > So ... should we abandon all this stuff and use Framemaker
+ SGML?
> More extremism Karsten?
Your use of the word "extremism" is ungracious. I would recommend you
take a look again at the Fedora Project overall goals:
I use extreme in its
simplest form Paul. Out at one end. I never
mentioned Frame or SGML in this thread.
"The goal of The Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to
build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free
software."
The Docs Project, which is part of the overall Fedora Project, builds
documentation which is to eventually be included in the operating
system, as a fedora-docs RPM I would imagine. Any .src.rpm in the Fedora
tree should be buildable on Fedora itself, with free software. Karsten's
point -- which is the same as my earlier point in essenc, I think,
although Karsten may correct me if I'm wrong -- is that when we add
non-free tools to the toolchain we break the project. Period.
OK, that's enough for me.
I don't know much about some of the tools whose names have been bandied
about, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is their status as free
software (or otherwise). If it's not free we shouldn't be using it. To
do otherwise runs directly counter to the ambitions of the Project.
Set by RH? A
commercial supplier.
It's
not about being a zealot; it's about simply accepting the goals of the
&FP; and the &FDP;. They are what they are, and our project either
follows them or gets jettisoned.
There are other options.
Your skills, my skills, and/or Karsten's skills are not particularly
relevant to the discussion either. You're missing the forest for the
trees here. What Karsten is saying, I think, is that any reliance on
non-free software puts us at the mercy of that tool.
I'd use the word extreme
again.
I really don't believe the statement above.
I'm in agreement with Karsten, for the
reasons stated in my topmost comments.
OK.
>
> OK lets blame someone else.
> My usual question now follows. Who?
>
> Can you point to a document/person/project manager who has this
> documented somewhere?
There's no reason to "blame" anyone. The goals of the Fedora Project are
axiomatic -- or more correctly, maxims, meaning they are principles that
we accept when we participate. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is
free to move ahead with their own project. These goals, and their
antecedents (see above), are not really something subject to discussion
and mitigation.
So much for community development?
Bye.