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00:01:39 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:39 Meeting started Thu Oct 1 00:01:39 2009 UTC. The chair is
Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01:45 #topic Roll Call!
00:01:47 * Sparks
00:02:04 * jjmcd est ici ou la
00:02:36 * ke4qqq is here - believe it or not
00:03:09 * rudi is here
00:03:15 * Sparks just updated the agenda... :)
00:03:18 * quaid esta aqui
00:04:39 * ianweller is here but not watching, mention me if a
response is needed...
00:05:08 Okay, let's get started.
00:05:15 #topic Release notes format changes
00:05:22 Couple things on RNs
00:05:31 We are building every night for L10N
00:05:32 jjmcd: Remind me, again, what this is and do we need to keep
it on the agenda
00:05:54 Most mornings I have been posting errors to trans list
00:06:15 Props to jjmcd -- this is *excellent*
00:06:16 I notice yesterday juhp and rudi had q1uite a chat about the tables
00:06:21 as did I
00:06:47 Result, really no changes. juhp thought comps might be a
better source than primary.sqlite, but it is very incomplete
00:07:00 And now, Sparks, I think you can remove this from the list
00:07:08 Thanks rudi, but purely selfish
00:07:19 jjmcd: This is awesome work!
00:07:22 We get a lot of hard errors fixed by someone else
00:07:23 jjmcd++
00:07:33 It relocates the work where it really should be?
00:07:47 If I can get someone else to do the work !! ;-))
00:08:03 :)
00:08:07 ANd some of the translators are really digging in
00:08:13 So... is the plan still to post everything to docs.fp.o and
to provide a link in the HELP menu and not the document itself?
00:08:37 I thought we were going to figure out the KDE alternative for yelp
00:08:48 I don't know
00:08:49 or just do yelp
00:08:56 I think that was the result
00:09:08 I know we had discussed a few different ways of doing it
00:09:23 I did intend to go back through the logs -- yeah, we talked
about a half-doze approaches
00:09:34 but I had this nagging feeling I had to much with KDE
00:09:34 I'm concerned about the translations and the RPMs
00:09:48 If we make the rpm like F11 no prob
00:10:14 one BIG one or multiple RPMs for different languages?
00:10:30 one big one, like we always have, except not as many formats
00:10:40 Soyou get your lang automatically
00:10:49 Okay
00:11:02 Won't be a shock to anyone that way
00:11:07 yeah
00:11:21 okay, any other questions?
00:12:08 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:12:18 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:12:23 Any update on this?
00:12:47 none to speak of
00:12:59 at least not from me
00:13:06 someone was working on packaging the editor we needed.
00:13:06 mchua|away: and gang are making progress
00:13:19 danielsmw was working the editor iirc
00:13:55 ianweller: Were you going to review the editor package?
00:14:25 was i?
00:14:38 i don't really remember.
00:14:48 ianweller: I think danielsmw was supposed to get with you to
work out the errors he was getting...
00:14:58 i never heard from him.
00:15:00 ...and possibly get you to review the package
00:15:01 Okay
00:15:29 I think it was last week Friday that I expected danielsmw to
ask for help, never saw him, but I thought ianweller was going to
review
00:15:53 i'll happily help out when needed :)
00:15:54 okay
00:16:06 can one of you follow up with him this week, please?
00:16:32 I'll keep an eye out for him, but haven't seen much lately
00:16:50 ke4qqq: Isn't danielsmw down there with you?
00:17:01 he recently started back to college and he's on the 3 year
plan - so things are probably a tad busy
00:17:11 I would think so
00:17:11 I'll call him this week and see what's up
00:17:15 ke4qqq: Thanks
00:17:31 #action ke4qqq to follow up with danielsmw on the editor
package for Zikula
00:17:39 Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:18:32 #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:18:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:19:29 ianweller: Are we ready to make the internal announcement?
00:20:00 quaid: Have you done the follow up with the RPM guide?
00:20:39 hrm
00:20:47 ok, here's the two bits.
00:21:09 1. I need to contact Eric Foster-Johnson about relicensing
RPM Guide .. he didn't do a CLA, for example.
00:21:44 quaid: Where is the RPM Guide? I don't remember what that
is, exactly.
00:21:48 2. We have some issues to work through still with the Max
RPM content; there is a contributor who doesn't want to have their
content relicensed nor have attribution.
00:21:57 we have it in cvs or git or something
00:22:24 We were going to add more development and include the Max RPM content?
00:22:38 yeah, the idea was to have both to meld in to one, new,
shiny RPM Guide.
00:22:55 What are the current licenses?
00:23:31 Sparks: hi
00:23:42 sorry
00:23:55 OPL clean for RPM Guide, OPL + non-free clauses for Max RPM
00:24:11 Well that's a problem.
00:24:32 not if they are relicensed to the same CC BY SA :)
00:24:45 someone (Sparks) tell me if we're ready and i will make the
announcement on docs-list devel-announce advisory-board etc
00:25:03 quaid: Yeah... IF
00:25:30 Okay... so here's the deal. I want the license change over
done within the next two weeks. Is that feasible?
00:26:01 We can change the license and then reject the RPM guides if
they don't want to play ball, imo.
00:26:16 rudi: Can you have publican updated within a week or two?
00:26:18 oh, yeah
00:26:20 do we have to relicense them?
00:26:26 RPM stuff is totally non-critical path
00:26:32 Yep -- I'm just waiting for someone to pull the trigger
00:26:42 move ahead with relicensing without worrying about RPM content
00:26:50 Okay.
00:27:02 #action ianweller to figure out how to change the license on the wiki
00:27:03 :)
00:27:05 ianweller: Go ahead and put the word out internally
00:27:05 that was all a courtesy/interest; that's RPM.org stuff,
people here just said, "I'd like to help," so I took on that
relicensing too :)
00:27:12 Sparks: ok
00:27:34 will do that in a couple of hours
00:27:38 This license change will NOT affect stuff in git... etc.
00:27:42 ianweller: Thanks
00:27:47 Sparks: is that on the announcement draft?
00:27:49 let's go over that.
00:27:54 cuz that's what i'm gonna copy/paste.
00:28:02 The license change will affect stuff on the wiki and stuff we publish
00:28:05 that requires i find it
00:28:22 ianweller: Doh! I didn't link to it anywhere!
00:28:49 #action rudi to change the license information in the
publican brands for Fedora
00:29:11 Sparks -- so is that a green light now?
00:29:20 * ianweller hunts in his email box
00:29:24 rudi: Yes
00:29:27 OK
00:29:40
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release
- -- the bottom one.
00:29:47 let's discuss that.
00:30:02 rudi: I'm going to shoot a message to the list to make sure
that all guide owners are aware of the upcoming change. Just reply to
that when you get it all straight, please.
00:30:13 Will do
00:31:25 ianweller: Looks good. Should we make a wiki page that says
why we are doing this and maybe some FAQs and post that link in that
announcement?
00:31:38 Sparks: that would be pretty awesome.
00:31:52 i'm working on an english project right now so if somebody
could do that tonight i will buy them a drink
00:32:10 Of course we'd need some folks to ask questions so we'd know
what is a FAQ
00:32:19 "what's CC"
00:32:25 "why is the OPL bad"
00:32:30 "why is CC better"
00:32:30 "why is it better than OPL"
00:32:32 "what's the scope of this change"
00:32:38 uh, did't I write all that?
00:32:45 you did yeah.
00:32:52 but not as a FAQ!
00:32:53 i think.
00:32:53 quaid: Where?
00:32:59 Sparks: on the announcement
00:33:03 FAQe (pronounced "fake")
00:33:06 one sec
00:33:07 lole
00:33:24 quaid: Yeah, you did.
00:33:26 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
00:33:29 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
00:33:32 well HEY
00:33:48 some of those links don't look right ...
00:33:53 maybe I left stubs for more?
00:33:57 whoa.
00:34:04 Ummm
00:34:17 I don't think we are relicensing Fedora Hosted... are we?
00:34:24 no, see
00:34:24 stubs
00:34:25 I could see some potential problems.
00:34:28 Oh
00:34:29 for all of the guides we have there
00:34:38 just fill in whatever
00:34:54 but yeah i still need somebody awesome to turn that page
into an FAQ perhaps
00:34:58 yeah, last history is 'interim save' meaning I never got it
to deserving a full comment block
00:35:11 quaid: hah
00:35:14 quaid: Can I use your blog text on the page?
00:35:57 Sparks: natch!
00:36:14 I hereby license it under CC BY SA, with attribution being a
link back to the original post
00:36:43 * quaid dual licenses it under OPL for the time being
00:36:50 so it can be put on the page until he license change :D
00:36:56 isn't copyright fun!
00:37:04 quaid: I'm going to need that in writing, please. :)
00:37:18 that isn't writing? ;)
00:37:59 I need a paper
00:38:20 On advice from my attorney-in-training...
00:38:25 nope, IRC log is good enough
00:38:31 on advice from my monkey council
00:38:46 :)
00:39:10 * Sparks really didn't ask her as she's currently writing a
motion for her case and I'd hate to become a part of that case
00:39:40 * ianweller makes a motion
00:39:43 * ianweller dances on the floor
00:39:56 quaid: ok so i'm volunteering you to faqize that faqe
00:40:25 ha
00:40:29 good luck with that
00:40:36 ;)
00:40:46 hey, you know what would help here?
00:40:51 a drink?
00:40:54 can we get a quick list of the guides in f'hosted?
00:40:56 yeh, that too
00:41:00 that we want to switch?
00:42:00 * quaid edits the page to put them in
00:42:08 Okay, I just pasted that into the wiki page but it's ugly...
I'll be fixing that later.
00:42:12 um, if it's done for now?
00:42:13 ok
00:42:26 * quaid is adding in the fhosted list so will fix some formatting now
00:42:49 quaid: Do we want to selectively list the guides we are
relicensing or just say "all guides"?
00:44:02 hmm
00:44:13 I have it as a task to email *all* contributors, past and present
00:44:14 as a courtesy
00:44:21 so it would help if we had a definitive list
00:44:24 I think ...
00:44:53 Is that even possible?
00:45:17 theoretically
00:45:29 I could get a good list of names with a few hours in cvs and f'hosted
00:45:44 I know the security guide has been in so many different
formats and changed/modified that I don't know what kind of paper
trail is even left.
00:45:48 it's a courtesy move; if we cannot reach people, it's not a
game stopper.
00:45:54 ah
00:46:00 yeah, well, I mayn't look for wiki stuff
00:46:01 the SG came from the wiki...
00:46:04 just thinking Install guide, etc.
00:46:08 yeah, I get that
00:46:11 and I mean MOIN wiki
00:46:16 heh
00:46:23 * quaid can get his hands on that stuff, too
00:46:30 ok ...
00:46:40 well, it might be futile; and it's NOT on the critical path.
00:46:44 Not trying to discourage... :)
00:46:47 ok, back to the question at hand ...
00:46:49 I have:
00:46:52 Wiki
00:46:56 Installation guide
00:46:59 Release notes
00:47:04 Security guide
00:47:07 SELiux guide
00:47:11 adding ...
00:47:14 Deployment guide
00:47:56 else?
00:48:04 Assessibility Guide
00:48:18 is that fhosted.org/accessibility-guide?
00:48:48 I think so... I just put it there a few months ago. It used
to be in the RN up to F9 or F10
00:49:19 /me looking for 'guide' on fh.o
00:49:30 That's a good start. :)
00:50:56 quaid: You should see one in there for an Amateur Radio
Guide but there's nothing there, yet, and should be jjmcd and I
working on that so no worries there.
00:51:21 http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/Deployment_Guide/ ?
00:51:37 What's the question?
00:51:48 http://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide
00:52:00 it's weird for both to appear, first seems empty; old?
00:52:10 New!
00:52:16 ah, or that
00:52:27 perspectival is working on that one
00:52:32 Doesn't seem to be here right now
00:53:51 any others?
00:54:21 Add Virtualization Guide
00:54:36 yeah
00:54:41 I'm rolling down the page
00:54:45 about-fedora etc.
00:55:04 what is http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/redhatsecurityguide.git
00:55:05 v.
00:55:14 https://fedorahosted.org/securityguide/
00:55:33 Don't know what the first one is... the second one should be
the "fedora" sg
00:55:47 * quaid wishes we had all stuck with the "- is the space
designator" for hosted project guide names
00:56:05 some with, some without, and now a bunch of New_Style
00:56:09 Publican works better with _
00:56:47 * quaid rolls his eyes and bites his tongue
00:56:57 Yeah, well, I agree
00:57:00 probably not worth changing the other names
00:57:17 * quaid *cough* you know, from the names similar to Fedora
Packaging Standards
00:57:34 ok, we don't have to kill the mtg with this
00:57:41 I'll publish the updated page in a few.
00:57:48 Okay
00:57:53 anything else on this topic?
00:58:08 #link https://fedorahosted.org/rpmguide/
00:58:13 for the record
00:58:49 Okay... lets cut down to the meat and potatoes...
00:58:55 #topic Guide needs?
00:59:01 * ianweller has to run
00:59:02 Any guides have any needs?
00:59:27 ianweller: See ya
00:59:33 Sparks - use same image conventions as user guide?
00:59:42 i.e. images/chapter
00:59:51 sure
01:00:52 #topic New Guides
01:00:56 Any new guides?
01:01:31 #topic All other business
01:01:39 Any other items that need to be discussed?
01:02:16 5
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01:02:25 2
01:02:28 1
01:02:35 Okay, thanks everyone for coming!
01:02:38 #endmeeting
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