Hi,
This doc is in need of updating for the Btrfs by default feature approved for Fedora 33: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsByDefault
I can fork https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide and submit PR's. But I don't think that method is interactive, i.e. it's pretty much accept the PR or reject it, correct? Any other ideas?
I've identified these specific areas:
- Automatic partitioning - should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Some partition types - notably the /boot and /usr directories and the BIOS Boot and EFI partitions - can not be placed on Btrfs subvolumes. Use standard physical volumes for them (or an LVM logical volume for /usr). See Installing_Using_Anaconda.adoc#sect-installation-gui-manual-partitioning-recommended for more information.
- Ext4 is the default and recommended file system used by Fedora Workstation and Cloud.
- Advice on Partitions
- Recommended Partitioning Scheme (recommendations, sizes all need updates) https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Manual partitioning should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Silverblue https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/installation/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information...
- swap - based on your system parameters - unrelated to btrfs, but needs updating for swaponzram feature https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM
Original list and discussion appears here: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/158#comment-672898
Thanks,
Hi Docs group.Hi Chris
I have started to read the text below and I may I present some feedback. I have a slight rephrase of a sentenceBEFORE Some screens will be automatically configured depending on your hardware and the type of media you used to start the installation. You can still change the detected settings in any screen. Screens which have not been automatically configured, and therefore require your attention before you begin the installation, are marked by an exclamation mark. You can not start the actual installation process before you finish configuring these settings. AFTERSome screens will be automatically configured depending on your hardware and the type of media you used to start the installation. You can still change the detected settings in any screen. Screens which have not been automatically configured, are marked by an exclamation mark and therefore require your attention before you begin the installation. You can not start the actual installation process before you finish configuring these settings. CHANGE GO BACK to return If you incorporate the above change, there is a "go back" that could be replaced with "return" in the following The terminal multiplexer is running in virtual console 1. To switch from the actual installation environment to tmux, press Ctrl+Alt+F1. To go back to the main installation interface which runs in virtual console 6, press Ctrl+Alt+F6.
Software Selection My experience with anaconda is:If you select too many groups (eg all) to install, anaconda will definitely crash before completing the installation. Users should be cautioned to not install more than the necessary groups, and complete the installation of the remaining groups post installation (sudo dnf group list).
From what I read below, it is very very well written and accolades to those who were the authors/editors
Regards Leslie Leslie Satenstein Montréal Québec, Canada
On Sunday, August 23, 2020, 9:56:53 p.m. EDT, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Hi,
This doc is in need of updating for the Btrfs by default feature approved for Fedora 33: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsByDefault
I can fork https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide and submit PR's. But I don't think that method is interactive, i.e. it's pretty much accept the PR or reject it, correct? Any other ideas?
I've identified these specific areas:
- Automatic partitioning - should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Some partition types - notably the /boot and /usr directories and the BIOS Boot and EFI partitions - can not be placed on Btrfs subvolumes. Use standard physical volumes for them (or an LVM logical volume for /usr). See Installing_Using_Anaconda.adoc#sect-installation-gui-manual-partitioning-recommended for more information.
- Ext4 is the default and recommended file system used by Fedora Workstation and Cloud.
- Advice on Partitions
- Recommended Partitioning Scheme (recommendations, sizes all need updates) https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Manual partitioning should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Silverblue https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/installation/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information...
- swap - based on your system parameters - unrelated to btrfs, but needs updating for swaponzram feature https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM
Original list and discussion appears here: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/158#comment-672898
Thanks,
May I make another recommendation Date & Time
The Date & Time screen allows you to configure time and date-related settings for your system. This screen is automatically configured based on the settings you selected in Installing_Using_Anaconda.adoc#sect-installation-gui-welcome, but you can change your date, time and location settings before you begin the installation. I would rework it to.If necessary, use the Date & Time screen to configure and confirm time and date-related settings for your system. This screen is automatically configured based on the settings you selected in Installing_Using_Anaconda.adoc#sect-installation-gui-welcome, The Date and Time settings will determine the timestamps that anaconda uses to create partitions, directories, and files.
Regards Leslie Leslie Satenstein Montréal Québec, Canada
On Sunday, August 23, 2020, 9:56:53 p.m. EDT, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Hi,
This doc is in need of updating for the Btrfs by default feature approved for Fedora 33: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsByDefault
I can fork https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide and submit PR's. But I don't think that method is interactive, i.e. it's pretty much accept the PR or reject it, correct? Any other ideas?
I've identified these specific areas:
- Automatic partitioning - should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Some partition types - notably the /boot and /usr directories and the BIOS Boot and EFI partitions - can not be placed on Btrfs subvolumes. Use standard physical volumes for them (or an LVM logical volume for /usr). See Installing_Using_Anaconda.adoc#sect-installation-gui-manual-partitioning-recommended for more information.
- Ext4 is the default and recommended file system used by Fedora Workstation and Cloud.
- Advice on Partitions
- Recommended Partitioning Scheme (recommendations, sizes all need updates) https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Manual partitioning should say Btrfs instead of LVM https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f32/install-guide/install/Instal...
- Silverblue https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/installation/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information...
- swap - based on your system parameters - unrelated to btrfs, but needs updating for swaponzram feature https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwapOnZRAM
Original list and discussion appears here: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/158#comment-672898
Thanks,
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 07:55:45PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
I can fork https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide and submit PR's. But I don't think that method is interactive, i.e. it's pretty much accept the PR or reject it, correct? Any other ideas?
Sorry, this is slow. But, no -- once create the PR, it can be commented on in review, and then any changes you push to the branch of your fork from which you created the PR (whew, that's a mouthful) will be automatically updated.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 12:43 PM Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 07:55:45PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
I can fork https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide and submit PR's. But I don't think that method is interactive, i.e. it's pretty much accept the PR or reject it, correct? Any other ideas?
Sorry, this is slow. But, no -- once create the PR, it can be commented on in review, and then any changes you push to the branch of your fork from which you created the PR (whew, that's a mouthful) will be automatically updated.
https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide/pull-request/55 https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/install-guide/pull-request/56
My main strategy is to just fix what's not correct, minimally invasive, rather than chewing off too much. I created a new branch with non-btrfs related updates for Installation Destination, because the UI has changed since Fedora 31. And then made a branch from that branch with the btrfs related changes.
I thought that this would mean #55 would be non-btrfs; and #56 would be just the btrfs changes and would be applied on top of #55? :D But it looks like my imagination doesn't correlate with reality, and appears #56 contains all the changes (?).
In retrospect, one generic "updates" branch is probably enough. And keep discretely related changes for each commit.
Related - there is now a QA Test Case written up for how to reuse an existing "home" subvolume to mount at /home using Custom partitioning. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_partitioning_custom_btrfs_preserv...
I wonder about the least effort way to incorporate it into docs. Maybe as a quick doc. And then reference the quick doc as a NOTE inside the current manual partitioning section of the install guide? ---
A variation on that test case is dual boot Fedora (draft) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sumantrom/Draft/dualboot_f33_btrfs
As in Fedora 33 and Fedora 34 side by side; or Workstation and Silverblue; or most any mix and match so long as GRUB is the bootloader. It's the same instructions as reuse /home, but with emphasis that /boot should not be reformatted or created new, but shared. This is quite efficient on Btrfs because it's just a different sysroot subvolume. No repartitioning or reformatting needed to do the 2nd installation.
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