On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 19:11 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Stephen Gallagher <
sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 18:23 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Stephen Gallagher <
> > sgallagh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 10:20 -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote:
> > > > Hi, all! Several Fedora teams have talked about meeting at
> > > > Flock,
> > > > and
> > > > many have in the past. Rather than make you skip talks or
> > > > schedule
> > > > these late in the evening, we're going to use Friday morning
> > > > for
> > > > these sorts of meetings and less-formal hackfests. If you
> > > > have a
> > > > team
> > > > that would like to reserve a room during that time, please
> > > > let me
> > > > know what group and how long you'd like it for (1, 2, or 3
> > > > hours).
> > > > First come, first roomed!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to book a room for Fedora and CentOS rel-eng teams to
> > > discuss
> > > image-generation and delivery tools. I think we'll need two
> > > hours
> > > for
> > > this, please.
> >
> > This news for Fedora rel-eng, it would be nice if you actually
> > liaised
> > with Fedora rel-eng rather than actually speaking for us!
>
>
> Peter, I had a conversation last week between Matthew Miller, Paul
> Frields, Karanbir Singh and several others about some of this. My
> intention here was for this to *be* the liaising. Get us all in a
> room
> and make sure we're helping each other out.
Great! NOT! Not one of those people are in Fedora rel-eng, you never
even followed up this private conversation with an email to the
appropriate list rather I find out about it, and yes I've checked
with
Dennis and he knew nothing of it either, on a completely unrelated
list that I happen to be subscribed to.
You often seem to try to speak for rel-eng yet you aren't it, and
worse you often even get it wrong. Please stop! I'm fuming to say the
least!
Peter, I wasn't speaking for Fedora rel-eng. I asked for a room *under
a stated time-constraint*[1] to have a place that the respective
release engineering folks could discuss a topic of interest to both. I
*was* somewhat speaking for the CentOS folks, since as Matthew pointed
out, they asked me to set something like this up during our talk at
Summit.
As also noted elsewhere, I mistakenly forgot to note that Adam Miller
(the person ideally responsible for much of the implementation of this
stuff) was present in the lead-in conversation as well.
Máirín also was correct: I haven't finished my follow-ups from Summit
yet and perhaps I incorrectly assumed that Adam and Paul had
communicated that discussion back to you (in hindsight, I forgot Paul
at least is on vacation). My apologies if this is the first you have
heard of this.
Also, I cannot recall any case where I have spoken for rel-eng except
in cases where I have said "I'd like to hear what rel-eng has to say
before we move ahead". Which is *exactly* the point of this meeting.
In all, I think that your response was a significant overreaction and
I'm somewhat concerned that your reply to my wanting to "get us all in
a room and make sure we're helping each other out" was "fuming".
[1] To quote the original thread "First come, first roomed!"