Hi Suvayu,
On Wed 28/01/09 3:51 PM , suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com sent:
Hi,
How do I manage my networks when I am using windowmaker as my desktop manager? I can connect to my wifi network using NM on Gnome, but in wmaker, I don't have any Internet connection. I tried running NetworkManager from terminal, but that didn't help. Any ideas?
I use 'docker'[1]. This tool has been the sole reason i switched back to using WindowMaker after having to compromise on using Gnome with all it's bells and whistles, for a long time.
After starting docker (and docking the app), you can start off any of the gnome-panel applets and they will appear in docker.
I prefer starting off: pidgin -n gnome-power-manager network-manager If you are a regular user of WindowMaker, you might already know about the file ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, where you can start up network-manager on login.
(note, i am not on my laptop right now, so can't confirm the exact commandline, if you have trouble, please let me know and I'll send you my configs when I can)
HTH - steve
[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/docker http://icculus.org/openbox/2/docker/
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2009/1/28 Steve steve@lonetwin.net:
Hi Suvayu,
On Wed 28/01/09 3:51 PM , suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com sent:
Hi,
How do I manage my networks when I am using windowmaker as my desktop manager? I can connect to my wifi network using NM on Gnome, but in wmaker, I don't have any Internet connection. I tried running NetworkManager from terminal, but that didn't help. Any ideas?
I use 'docker'[1]. This tool has been the sole reason i switched back to using WindowMaker after having to compromise on using Gnome with all it's bells and whistles, for a long time.
After starting docker (and docking the app), you can start off any of the gnome-panel applets and they will appear in docker.
I prefer starting off: pidgin -n gnome-power-manager network-manager If you are a regular user of WindowMaker, you might already know about the file ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, where you can start up network-manager on login.
(note, i am not on my laptop right now, so can't confirm the exact commandline, if you have trouble, please let me know and I'll send you my configs when I can)
Thanks for such a prompt reply!
I am trying out WindowMaker as Gnome started to feel more cumbersome to use with all its "features". I will try that out and report back how it goes for me.
HTH
- steve
2009/1/28 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com:
2009/1/28 Steve steve@lonetwin.net:
Hi Suvayu,
On Wed 28/01/09 3:51 PM , suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com sent:
Hi,
How do I manage my networks when I am using windowmaker as my desktop manager? I can connect to my wifi network using NM on Gnome, but in wmaker, I don't have any Internet connection. I tried running NetworkManager from terminal, but that didn't help. Any ideas?
I use 'docker'[1]. This tool has been the sole reason i switched back to using WindowMaker after having to compromise on using Gnome with all it's bells and whistles, for a long time.
After starting docker (and docking the app), you can start off any of the gnome-panel applets and they will appear in docker.
I prefer starting off: pidgin -n gnome-power-manager network-manager If you are a regular user of WindowMaker, you might already know about the file ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, where you can start up network-manager on login.
(note, i am not on my laptop right now, so can't confirm the exact commandline, if you have trouble, please let me know and I'll send you my configs when I can)
Thanks for such a prompt reply!
I am trying out WindowMaker as Gnome started to feel more cumbersome to use with all its "features". I will try that out and report back how it goes for me.
I installed docker and put 'docker &' in the autostart script. After I re-login with WindowMaker as the desktop manager, I see the dock. Now when I start pidgin, it shows an icon in the dock as expected. However when I start NM, it says that I need to be root to run NM (I tried this in terminal to see the message it spews). Sudo doesn't work either. So I su to root, and run NM, but that doesn't do it either. Am I missing something?
On 1/28/09, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/28 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com:
2009/1/28 Steve steve@lonetwin.net:
Hi Suvayu,
On Wed 28/01/09 3:51 PM , suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com sent:
Hi,
How do I manage my networks when I am using windowmaker as my desktop manager? I can connect to my wifi network using NM on Gnome, but in wmaker, I don't have any Internet connection. I tried running NetworkManager from terminal, but that didn't help. Any ideas?
I use 'docker'[1]. This tool has been the sole reason i switched back to using WindowMaker after having to compromise on using Gnome with all it's bells and whistles, for a long time.
After starting docker (and docking the app), you can start off any of the gnome-panel applets and they will appear in docker.
I prefer starting off: pidgin -n gnome-power-manager network-manager If you are a regular user of WindowMaker, you might already know about the file ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, where you can start up network-manager on login.
(note, i am not on my laptop right now, so can't confirm the exact commandline, if you have trouble, please let me know and I'll send you my configs when I can)
[snip]
I installed docker and put 'docker &' in the autostart script. After I re-login with WindowMaker as the desktop manager, I see the dock. Now when I start pidgin, it shows an icon in the dock as expected. However when I start NM, it says that I need to be root to run NM (I tried this in terminal to see the message it spews). Sudo doesn't work either. So I su to root, and run NM, but that doesn't do it either. Am I missing something?
Try nm-applet instead of network-manager. nm-applet provides the user interface for NetworkManager.
Rod
Hi Suvayu,
I installed docker and put 'docker &' in the autostart script. After I re-login with WindowMaker as the desktop manager, I see the dock. Now when I start pidgin, it shows an icon in the dock as expected. However when I start NM, it says that I need to be root to run NM (I tried this in terminal to see the message it spews). Sudo doesn't work either. So I su to root, and run NM, but that doesn't do it either. Am I missing something?
I am sorry, I assumed that you were a long time Windowmaker user. Well, here are some clearer instructions:
1. Login in to WindowMaker and from a terminal window, execute "docker &" 2. Now, drag the docker 'icon', close to the bottom of the WindowMaker dock (that's the thing, the group of icons, that you'll probably see on the top right). When you bring it close enough, the icon will attached itself to the dock (that is what i meant by 'docking the app' in my previous post). 3. Now right click the docked icon and select 'Settings' from the menu. 4. In the settings dialog select 'Start when Window Maker is started' and, if you want to, the 'Lock' option. Docker will now start automatically when you login into WindowMaker. 5. Make sure you have NetworkManager service enabled and running:
$ chkconfig NetworkManager on $ service NetworkManager restart
6. Launch the nm-applet: $ nm-applet &
If this works, include "nm-applet &" in the "GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart" file
Hopefully, that should do it. If not, let us know. If you have any questions (including those about WindowMaker) feel free to ask.
regards, - steve
Hi Steve,
2009/1/28 steve steve@lonetwin.net:
I am sorry, I assumed that you were a long time Windowmaker user. Well, here are some clearer instructions:
Thats alright, this is the best way to learn, tinker screw up and troubleshoot. :) I took on your hint and tried stuff in the autostart script.
- Login in to WindowMaker and from a terminal window, execute "docker &"
- Now, drag the docker 'icon', close to the bottom of the WindowMaker dock
(that's the thing, the group of icons, that you'll probably see on the top right). When you bring it close enough, the icon will attached itself to the dock (that is what i meant by 'docking the app' in my previous post). 3. Now right click the docked icon and select 'Settings' from the menu. 4. In the settings dialog select 'Start when Window Maker is started' and, if you want to, the 'Lock' option. Docker will now start automatically when you login into WindowMaker. 5. Make sure you have NetworkManager service enabled and running:
$ chkconfig NetworkManager on $ service NetworkManager restart
- Launch the nm-applet:
$ nm-applet &
If this works, include "nm-applet &" in the "GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart" file
Hopefully, that should do it. If not, let us know. If you have any questions (including those about WindowMaker) feel free to ask.
That went perfect. Now I am online on wmaker.
I ran pidgin too. However it didn't go as smoothly. Most of the time it didn't appear on the dock or even a window for that matter. I tried running it from, 1. the 'Run' in the right click menu on the desktop, 2. from xterm. However, it had worked the last time I had logged in. Kinda strange I guess.
Also, I am having trouble NM and Evolution remember the password, but I guess that calls for another thread after some more extensive searching.
Thanks for the help. :)
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 21:54 -0800, suvayu ali wrote:
Also, I am having trouble NM and Evolution remember the password, but I guess that calls for another thread after some more extensive searching.
Not sure about network manager's requirements, but it's been my experience that unless you logged into Gnome via GDM as yourself, you'd have to type in the password to use Evolution. e.g. Logging in as someone else, then "su - tim" to myself wouldn't work, I'd have to type in the password. It seems like something to do with Gnome sessions.
Hello Suvayu,
suvayu ali wrote:
That went perfect. Now I am online on wmaker.
Good to know ! Welcome to the club !
I ran pidgin too. However it didn't go as smoothly. Most of the time it didn't appear on the dock or even a window for that matter. I tried running it from,
- the 'Run' in the right click menu on the desktop,
Look at at tip below[1]
- from xterm.
However, it had worked the last time I had logged in. Kinda strange I guess.
Yes, that is strange, it has never happened to me. However, I do start my pidgin in offline mode (ie: the -n (or --nologin) option), so don't know whether pidgin would wait for NM to connect and then go online before showing the applet or the window.
Also, I am having trouble NM and Evolution remember the password, but I guess that calls for another thread after some more extensive searching.
Hmm, well, this *might* have to do with the gnome-keyring-daemon. You haven't mentioned whether you use gdm, but i remember seeing a post on this list that the NM and other apps with ask you for a password if your login password is not the same as your keyring password. Note, that this is just what i read over here. I have /not/ had any trouble with NM remembering passwords (and I don't use evolution, i prefer thunderbird).
Thanks for the help. :)
You are welcome.
[1] Now the tip i spoke about. Window Maker is very keyboard friendly, so you can bind any application as well as builtin actions to keyboard shortcuts. The way to do this also is very easy: a. Fire up the Window Maker Preference utility: $ WPerfs b. Scroll to the icon with the menu picture c. A menu will pop up, select the menu item you want to bid to a shortcut d. In the Keyboard Shortcut dialog, click Capture and then press your keyboard shortcut (for ex. I use Mod1+r for the run dialog and Mod1+t for opening a terminal) e. To bind window maker actions (like maximizing/minimizing windows etc) select the icon with the keyboard picture and do the same. For example you can use the 'windows key' on your keyboard to show the applications menu.
Once you start binding your most common apps to keyboard shortcuts, and start using them, you'll soon forget about the mouse :).
cheers, - steve
Hi Steve,
2009/1/29 steve steve@lonetwin.net:
Hello Suvayu,
suvayu ali wrote:
That went perfect. Now I am online on wmaker.
Good to know ! Welcome to the club !
I am not using anything else ever again. Awesome! Specially after your _tip_ :p
I ran pidgin too. However it didn't go as smoothly. Most of the time it didn't appear on the dock or even a window for that matter. I tried running it from,
- the 'Run' in the right click menu on the desktop,
- from xterm.
However, it had worked the last time I had logged in. Kinda strange I guess.
Yes, that is strange, it has never happened to me. However, I do start my pidgin in offline mode (ie: the -n (or --nologin) option), so don't know whether pidgin would wait for NM to connect and then go online before showing the applet or the window.
If only I could get pidgin to work consistently ... but its a minor hitch I guess.
Also, I am having trouble NM and Evolution remember the password, but I guess that calls for another thread after some more extensive searching.
Hmm, well, this *might* have to do with the gnome-keyring-daemon. You haven't mentioned whether you use gdm, but i remember seeing a post on this list that the NM and other apps with ask you for a password if your login password is not the same as your keyring password.
I am using gdm and as you said, it was indeed the gnome-keyring. I had never set it up since I installed F10, and for some reason it had taken some default password of its own. A li'l google search, got rid of that and now it accepts my login as the password and NM and Evolution "remember" their respective passwords.
[1] Now the tip i spoke about. Window Maker is very keyboard friendly, so you can bind any application as well as builtin actions to keyboard shortcuts. The way to do this also is very easy: a. Fire up the Window Maker Preference utility: $ WPerfs b. Scroll to the icon with the menu picture c. A menu will pop up, select the menu item you want to bid to a shortcut d. In the Keyboard Shortcut dialog, click Capture and then press your keyboard shortcut (for ex. I use Mod1+r for the run dialog and Mod1+t for opening a terminal) e. To bind window maker actions (like maximizing/minimizing windows etc) select the icon with the keyboard picture and do the same. For example you can use the 'windows key' on your keyboard to show the applications menu.
Once you start binding your most common apps to keyboard shortcuts, and start using them, you'll soon forget about the mouse :).
Once again many thanks for getting me started. Can't thank you enough. "I 'm loving it".
cheers,
- steve
2009/1/30 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com:
I ran pidgin too. However it didn't go as smoothly. Most of the time it didn't appear on the dock or even a window for that matter. I tried running it from,
- the 'Run' in the right click menu on the desktop,
- from xterm.
However, it had worked the last time I had logged in. Kinda strange I guess.
Yes, that is strange, it has never happened to me. However, I do start my pidgin in offline mode (ie: the -n (or --nologin) option), so don't know whether pidgin would wait for NM to connect and then go online before showing the applet or the window.
If only I could get pidgin to work consistently ... but its a minor hitch I guess.
as an update for the sake of records, running the docker as, "docker -wmaker" fixed all my problems. :)