Hi,
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:50:50AM -0400, Doug wrote:
On 05/16/2014 01:57 AM, lee wrote:
Hi,
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?
If Seamonkey is the thing you call Firefox (pffft!) then go get Pale Moon. --doug
Seamonkey is the name given to the old Mozilla browser/email/kitchen-sink suite that was developed by Mozilla prior to firefox. (Not the older/original Netscape.
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:57 AM, lee lee@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?
Take your concerns to the Seamonkey Council http://www.seamonkey-project.org/about#contact
I personally use Seamonkey suite and prefer it to Firefox. But while I have no issues with DRM, maybe the SM devs can put the DRM bits in an optional package or at least make it user-configurable to disable the feature.
FC
On Fri, 2014-05-16 at 13:19 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
I personally use Seamonkey suite and prefer it to Firefox. But while I have no issues with DRM, maybe the SM devs can put the DRM bits in an optional package or at least make it user-configurable to disable the feature.
AFAIK that's already been announced.
poc
On 05/16/2014 11:50 AM, Doug wrote:
If Seamonkey is the thing you call Firefox (pffft!) then go get Pale Moon. --doug
according to the Pale Moon website it requires:
* Windows Vista x64/Windows 7 x64/Windows 8 x64/Server 2008 x64 or later
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Fred Smith fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.uswrote:
Seamonkey is the name given to the old Mozilla browser/email/kitchen-sink suite that was developed by Mozilla prior to firefox. (Not the older/original Netscape.
Yes Seamonkey suite was born first as Mozilla. But it isn't "old". I mean, it incoporates the latest technologies and Firefox Gecko engine
FC
On 05/16/2014 12:29 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 05/16/2014 11:50 AM, Doug wrote:
If Seamonkey is the thing you call Firefox (pffft!) then go get Pale Moon. --doug
according to the Pale Moon website it requires:
- Windows Vista x64/Windows 7 x64/Windows 8 x64/Server 2008 x64 or later
You haven't read the right pages, I guess. It runs on Windows and Linux, and I thik even on Mac. I have a copy running right here on PCLinuxOS-32 KDE. I have another copy running on Windows 8.1. (64-bit.) This afternoon I will install it on PCLOS-64, as it's supposed to do that also. The installation is a breeze. It does all the work, as soon as you extract the file. Just like Windows!
--doug
On 05/16/2014 12:34 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 05/16/2014 02:43 PM, Doug wrote:
You haven't read the right pages, I guess. It runs on Windows and Linux, and I thik even on Mac. I have a copy running right here on PCLinuxOS-32 KDE. I have another copy running on Windows 8.1. (64-bit.) This afternoon I will install it on PCLOS-64, as it's supposed to do that also. The installation is a breeze. It does all the work, as soon as you extract the file. Just like Windows!
I am looking here, on the download page: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-x64.shtml
Minimum system Requirements:
- Windows Vista x64/Windows 7x64/Windows 8 x64/Server 2008 x64 or later
- 256 MB of free RAM
- At least 100 MB of free (uncompressed) disk space
-- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587
On 05/16/2014 03:52 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
thanks, got it, installed it! when I finished it opened up a web page & said:
You have successfully installed the Pale Moon web browser for Windows.
On 05/16/2014 12:34 PM, Paul Cartwright issued this missive:
On 05/16/2014 02:43 PM, Doug wrote:
You haven't read the right pages, I guess. It runs on Windows and Linux, and I thik even on Mac. I have a copy running right here on PCLinuxOS-32 KDE. I have another copy running on Windows 8.1. (64-bit.) This afternoon I will install it on PCLOS-64, as it's supposed to do that also. The installation is a breeze. It does all the work, as soon as you extract the file. Just like Windows!
I am looking here, on the download page: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-x64.shtml
Minimum system Requirements:
- Windows Vista x64/Windows 7x64/Windows 8 x64/Server 2008 x64 or later
- 256 MB of free RAM
- At least 100 MB of free (uncompressed) disk space
If you look at the "Downloads" page, you'd find a link to:
http://www.palemoon.org/contributed-builds.shtml
and on that page, "PM4Linux". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world -- those who - - understand binary and those who don't - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 05/16/2014 12:56 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On 05/16/2014 03:52 PM, Dan Thurman wrote:
thanks, got it, installed it! when I finished it opened up a web page & said:
You have successfully installed the Pale Moon web browser for Windows.
Amusing... Palemoon installed on Linux... or is it Windows? :P
On 05/16/2014 03:56 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
If you look at the "Downloads" page, you'd find a link to:
http://www.palemoon.org/contributed-builds.shtmland on that page, "PM4Linux".
if you hoover over the downloads tab, THEN scroll past Pale Moon & language packs, you get to OTHER. from OTHER it shows 3rd party builds. yes on that page is the pm4linux download. bit of a weird installer. Shell script that opens a window that you interact with.. seems fast enough though.. I set it as default for now.
Fernando Cassia writes:
Yes Seamonkey suite was born first as Mozilla. But it isn't "old". I mean, it incoporates the latest technologies and Firefox Gecko engine
And as I understand it, this conversation shouldn't *just* be about Seamonkey. Since Mozilla is doing the dirty deed, that implicates Firefox, if anything more rapidly than Seamonkey.
It may be time to draw upon Debian's iceweasel, icedove, and iceape, if, and this is a big if, those projects will fork to avoid the DRM.
On Fri, 2014-05-16 at 07:57 +0200, lee wrote:
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management,
Care to clarify that double negative? You want something with restrictions?
On 05/16/2014 11:50 AM, Doug wrote:
If Seamonkey is the thing you call Firefox (pffft!) then go get Pale Moon. --doug
I am beginning to like Pale moon.. pulled in all my Chrome bookmarks ( awesome, automatic!), and it is VERY snappy! I haven't figured out yet how to view flash videos.. I don't see a flash add-on and I do have the adobe...rpm installed. running Pale moon on fedora 20 amd_64.
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Paul Cartwright pbcartwright@gmail.comwrote:
I am beginning to like Pale moon.. pulled in all my Chrome bookmarks ( awesome, automatic!), and it is VERY snappy!
What's the track record of this fork for security fixes? Do they patch in hours, days or weeks after a 0day is discovered for FF?
FC
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Paul Cartwright pbcartwright@gmail.comwrote:
Absolutely! Pale Moon is built from the Firefox release source code that has a large community of developers and security-aware people, next to having seen over a decade of development by now. It includes, among other things, protection against dangerous add-ons, scam sites, automatic checking for updates of add-ons, anti-phishing, anti-malware, password protection (master password), website-identity information in the address bar, and private browsing.
Everything quoted above are Firefox features. Being a fork, it's obvious that PMoon has them too. However I'd like to see how fast does Palemoon get build when a 0day vulnerability arises, vs the Firefox bugfix release for the same bug. That is the measure...
FC
On 5/17/2014 4:00 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Paul Cartwright <pbcartwright@gmail.com mailto:pbcartwright@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely! Pale Moon is built from the Firefox release source code that has a large community of developers and security-aware people, next to having seen over a decade of development by now. It includes, among other things, protection against dangerous add-ons, scam sites, automatic checking for updates of add-ons, anti-phishing, anti-malware, password protection (master password), website-identity information in the address bar, and private browsing.Everything quoted above are Firefox features. Being a fork, it's obvious that PMoon has them too. However I'd like to see how fast does Palemoon get build when a 0day vulnerability arises, vs the Firefox bugfix release for the same bug. That is the measure...
FC
And a dran good question.
On 5/17/2014 4:37 PM, David wrote:
On 5/17/2014 4:00 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Paul Cartwright <pbcartwright@gmail.com mailto:pbcartwright@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely! Pale Moon is built from the Firefox release source code that has a large community of developers and security-aware people, next to having seen over a decade of development by now. It includes, among other things, protection against dangerous add-ons, scam sites, automatic checking for updates of add-ons, anti-phishing, anti-malware, password protection (master password), website-identity information in the address bar, and private browsing.Everything quoted above are Firefox features. Being a fork, it's obvious that PMoon has them too. However I'd like to see how fast does Palemoon get build when a 0day vulnerability arises, vs the Firefox bugfix release for the same bug. That is the measure...
FC
And a dran good question.
Duh. Multi-tasking. dran - should be - darn
The latest Firefox (v.29) is for me indigestible (putting it mildly). So this looks promising. Does anybody knows how to disable tabbed browsing? Changed preferenced the same way as in firefox. Middle button still open window in tabs instead of new window.
TIA, Bob
On 05/17/14 21:07, Bob Marcan wrote:
The latest Firefox (v.29) is for me indigestible (putting it mildly). So this looks promising. Does anybody knows how to disable tabbed browsing? Changed preferenced the same way as in firefox. Middle button still open window in tabs instead of new window.
TIA, Bob
From my notes:
2014-05-10
Firefox 29 requires the following add-on if it is to be made usable.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
then see:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-to-make-new-firefox-look-like-old-f...
Bob
On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:19:18 -0400 "Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA" bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
From my notes:
2014-05-10
Firefox 29 requires the following add-on if it is to be made usable.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
then see:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-to-make-new-firefox-look-like-old-f...
Bob
Tnx. Very flexible, almost perfect.
Still have problem with tabs. IMHO tabs are for full screen browsing, not my style of work. Middle button still open window in tabs instead of new window. Right click, select open new window is annoying. Anybody know the solution?
TIA, Bob
On 05/18/14 01:53, Bob Marcan wrote:
Still have problem with tabs.
Not sure what you are having trouble with but, again from m notes, I do this:
2013-11-17
To clear the ugly New Tab screen of button-blocks ~
In the Location bar, type about:config and press Enter.
Type browser.newtab.url in the search box. Double-click the browser.newtab.url preference and change the url from about:newtab to about:blank. Alternately, you can change it to about:blank for the Firefox Google home page, or type in your preferred home page, for example google.com. Click OK and close the about:config tab.
Bob
Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au writes:
On Fri, 2014-05-16 at 07:57 +0200, lee wrote:
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management,
Care to clarify that double negative? You want something with restrictions?
No, just seamonkey, or a suitable replacement for it, without. I don`t want restrictions.
On Friday 16 May 2014 06:57:57 lee wrote:
Hi,
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?
-- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
I've obviously missed something. Can someone please tell me exactly which package(s) have been updated and how.
Ta
Gary Stainburn gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk writes:
On Friday 16 May 2014 06:57:57 lee wrote:
Hi,
are we going to need a replacement for seamonkey which comes without restrictions management, and will there be one in Fedora?
-- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug)
I've obviously missed something. Can someone please tell me exactly which package(s) have been updated and how.
Please see https://u.fsf.org/xk
Packages probably haven`t been updated yet, though with things going that way, it won`t be too long before it becomes illegal to publish anything without restrictions management. Once that is established, guess who will extend the control they are taking of you even further.
On 17 May 2014 17:42, Fernando Cassia fcassia@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Paul Cartwright pbcartwright@gmail.com wrote:
I am beginning to like Pale moon.. pulled in all my Chrome bookmarks ( awesome, automatic!), and it is VERY snappy!
What's the track record of this fork for security fixes? Do they patch in hours, days or weeks after a 0day is discovered for FF?
That is a good question.
P.S. Hi, Fernando!
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