Hi All,
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
Many thanks, -T
2023-04-08 12:04 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org:
Hi All,
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
mplayer
Andras
mpv
On 4/8/23, Andras Simon szajmi@gmail.com wrote:
2023-04-08 12:04 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org:
Hi All,
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
mplayer
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 03:04:38 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
Whenever I've used vlc, it has done what I asked of it, though that is only occasionally.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
I primarily use mplayer. Under the covers it uses ffmpeg, which seems to have a lot of development, if the git repository is any indication. So, if you want cutting edge, you could use ffplay from ffmpeg.
On 4/8/23 07:41, stan via users wrote:
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
This is the closest I have been able to report bugs on VLC.
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
I can't ever find a place to sign up for a new account.
Whenever I've used vlc, it has done what I asked of it, though that is only occasionally.
The bugs drive me nuts.
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:37 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 07:41, stan via users wrote:
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
This is the closest I have been able to report bugs on VLC.
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
The VLC sources are at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc . The README says the BugTracker is at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues .
Jeff
On 4/8/23 15:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:37 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 07:41, stan via users wrote:
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
This is the closest I have been able to report bugs on VLC.
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
The VLC sources are at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc . The README says the BugTracker is at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues .
Which brings us back to the original issue: https://imgur.com/c6DXMNks.png
On 4/8/23 19:06, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 15:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:37 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 07:41, stan via users wrote:
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
This is the closest I have been able to report bugs on VLC.
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
The VLC sources are at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc . The README says the BugTracker is at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues .
Which brings us back to the original issue: https://imgur.com/c6DXMNks.png
That image is so small, it's unreadable. But I have no problem going to that url if that's what you're trying to show.
On 4/8/23 20:00, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 4/8/23 19:06, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 15:46, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:37 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 07:41, stan via users wrote:
Have you opened a bug report with their upstream, or even on Fedora, for the issues you have? Are the devs aware of the problems, but not fixing them? Are there lots of 'me too's in the bugs? I'm just curious whether it is just your user experience, or the broader community also has a lot of issues.
This is the closest I have been able to report bugs on VLC.
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
The VLC sources are at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc . The README says the BugTracker is at https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues .
Which brings us back to the original issue: https://imgur.com/c6DXMNks.png
That image is so small, it's unreadable. But I have no problem going to that url if that's what you're trying to show.
This is a bigger image:
https://imgur.com/irse4Qnl.png
I was trying to log in. But got told "Your account has been deactivated by your administrator. Please log back in to reactivate your account"
I posted about it on
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162187&p=536330#p536...
No one was able to help.
Also forum.videolan.org security certificate expired today and Firefox won't let you in. Brave will though.
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:37 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
The bugs [in vlc] drive me nuts.
I'm curious what bugs you are encountering. I use vlc all the time and the only significant bug I run into is the one where it skips the first few seconds of the first track on startup. I have encountered issues using vlc that I believe are in the libraries it uses as they tend to only appear with some media types and not others - typically these are things like memory leaking while a video is paused for a long time, or a video that - again after a long pause (hours) will resume the audio but not the video unless I tell it to skip backwards a few seconds. I have also encountered issues with controlling vlc using the DBUS MPRIS interface, but that might be issues in my code rather than vlc for all I know.
On 4/8/23 19:07, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 17:11, Go Canes wrote:
I'm curious what bugs you are encountering.
When I get a few 20 minutes, I will list them
vlc-3.0.18-2.fc37.x86_64
Well I do have a ton on ogg and mp4's that range from 3 minutes to 10 minutes. I like to play music when I am working on my computer and I can't stand commercials and talking.
1) every time it changes files, it pops into the foreground. This destroys what I am typing and VLC starts to responds to my keystrokes creating even more havoc. (smplayer and parole do not.)
2) if I have it on "list", when a new file loads up, it switches to show video. That is my call, not their's. This wold ot be such a real problem if VLC would stay in the background. (smplayer and parole do not do this.)
3) when it switch to the foreground, the windows walks up the page. I like to put it on the lower left, but have given up and put in on the upper left to get it to stop walking up my screen.
I posted this bugs years ago when the bug reporter sill worked and ignored:
https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/issues/8728 Beware of the security warning if you click on this.
smplayer and parole stay put.
4) occasionally when it opens a new video, it scales about five times larger than my screen. All my task bars/panels are covered up. And no keystroke works to get it out. "Esc" is suppose to work, but only work about 1/5 the of the time. I am forced to <ctrl><alt><f2> ps and kill to get my screen back. (smplayer and parole do not.)
5) when operated on randomize and full screen, it will play for a while (about an hour) then park on the first file at the top and repeat it over and over. (smplayer and parole do not.)
VLC has started to annoy the snot out of me with all the above bugs. Time for me to switch away from VLC.
-T
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 21:17:37 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 19:07, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 17:11, Go Canes wrote:
I'm curious what bugs you are encountering.
When I get a few 20 minutes, I will list them
vlc-3.0.18-2.fc37.x86_64
[snipped list of irritating behaviors]
VLC has started to annoy the snot out of me with all the above bugs. Time for me to switch away from VLC.
Wow! NOT a good fit for your use case. Like walking with a stone in your shoe. Life has too many irritations already, great to get rid of some of them.
I would never hit these. It sounds like you could probably use an audio player like audacious instead, since you aren't bothering with the video.
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 11:22 AM stan via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 21:17:37 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 19:07, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 17:11, Go Canes wrote:
I'm curious what bugs you are encountering.
When I get a few 20 minutes, I will list them
vlc-3.0.18-2.fc37.x86_64
[snipped list of irritating behaviors]
VLC has started to annoy the snot out of me with all the above bugs. Time for me to switch away from VLC.
Wow! NOT a good fit for your use case. Like walking with a stone in your shoe. Life has too many irritations already, great to get rid of some of them.
Agree that if vlc isn't fit for OP's purpose, then find another player.
I would never hit these. It sounds like you could probably use an audio player like audacious instead, since you aren't bothering with the video.
If vlc is being launched from the command-line, one can try the "--novideo" option. There should be a similar option available via the menus.
On 4/10/23 08:43, Go Canes wrote:
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 11:22 AM stan via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 21:17:37 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 4/8/23 19:07, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 4/8/23 17:11, Go Canes wrote:
I'm curious what bugs you are encountering.
When I get a few 20 minutes, I will list them
vlc-3.0.18-2.fc37.x86_64
[snipped list of irritating behaviors]
VLC has started to annoy the snot out of me with all the above bugs. Time for me to switch away from VLC.
Wow! NOT a good fit for your use case. Like walking with a stone in your shoe. Life has too many irritations already, great to get rid of some of them.
Agree that if vlc isn't fit for OP's purpose, then find another player.
I would never hit these. It sounds like you could probably use an audio player like audacious instead, since you aren't bothering with the video.
If vlc is being launched from the command-line, one can try the "--novideo" option. There should be a similar option available via the menus.
Occasionally, I will go through and dump the video. Here are my notes:
ffmpeg to convert MP4, webm movies to audio only OGG:
$ dnf whatprovides ffmpeg
ffmpeg-4.1.3-2.fc30.x86_64 : Digital VCR and streaming server Repo : @System Matched from: Provide : ffmpeg = 4.1.3-2.fc30
ffmpeg-4.1.3-2.fc30.x86_64 : Digital VCR and streaming server Repo : rpmfusion-free Matched from: Provide : ffmpeg = 4.1.3-2.fc30
To convert one file:
ffmpeg -i videofile.mp4 -vn -acodec libvorbis audiofile.ogg
To remove video and caonvert to ogg audio:
ffmpeg -i video.any -vn -acodec libvorbis audio.ogg
To convert many files:
Note: rename *.MP4 to *.mp4
$ for vid in *.mp4; do ffmpeg -i "$vid" -vn -acodec libvorbis "${vid%.mp4}.ogg"; done
$ for vid in *.webm; do ffmpeg -i "$vid" -vn -acodec libvorbis "${vid%.webm}.ogg"; done
On Sat, 2023-04-08 at 03:04 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC.
I can only say I've noticed one bug with VLC: If you have repeat play on and try to play a broken file it'll deadloop with very heavy CPU use, and it's nearly impossible to make it quit.
I nearly always use VLC for playing things, but I often use mpv for those double-click on unknown video files to figure out which is which. As a simple one-at-a-time player, it's reasonably good, but I absolutely hate its on-screen progress bar when you whiz through a file. I can't find any way to disable it. It's big, and usually in the way.
Why do programmers put on screen displays in such stupid places?
Tim:
I can only say I've noticed one bug with VLC: If you have repeat play on and try to play a broken file it'll deadloop with very heavy CPU use, and it's nearly impossible to make it quit.
Joe Zeff:
kill -9 should do it.
It really bogs down the PC, I've got little chance to open a terminal. You could hammer away on VLC's close gadget and not get noticed. I nearly always have to kill X with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE as about the only way to deal with it.
On 4/9/23 02:37, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
I can only say I've noticed one bug with VLC: If you have repeat play on and try to play a broken file it'll deadloop with very heavy CPU use, and it's nearly impossible to make it quit.
Joe Zeff:
kill -9 should do it.
It really bogs down the PC, I've got little chance to open a terminal. You could hammer away on VLC's close gadget and not get noticed. I nearly always have to kill X with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE as about the only way to deal with it.
Try <ctrl><alt><f2>
do a ps and a kill -9
Then <ctrl><alt><f1> to get back
Tim:
It really bogs down the PC, I've got little chance to open a terminal. You could hammer away on VLC's close gadget and not get noticed. I nearly always have to kill X with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE as about the only way to deal with it.
ToddAndMargo:
Try <ctrl><alt><f2>
do a ps and a kill -9
Then <ctrl><alt><f1> to get back
When I say it bogs down the PC, it *REALLY* bogs it down. Far worse than when an app went mad with the swap space.
If I don't CTRL ALT BACKSPACE fast, that's it, I won't be able to do anything with the keyboard, and hardly anything with the mouse, I'll have to hit the hardware reset button. It rapid-fire tries to reload an unplayable file, in an infinite loop, and everything suffers.
On 4/9/23 19:30, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
It really bogs down the PC, I've got little chance to open a terminal. You could hammer away on VLC's close gadget and not get noticed. I nearly always have to kill X with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE as about the only way to deal with it.
ToddAndMargo:
Try <ctrl><alt><f2>
do a ps and a kill -9
Then <ctrl><alt><f1> to get back
When I say it bogs down the PC, it *REALLY* bogs it down. Far worse than when an app went mad with the swap space.
If I don't CTRL ALT BACKSPACE fast, that's it, I won't be able to do anything with the keyboard, and hardly anything with the mouse, I'll have to hit the hardware reset button. It rapid-fire tries to reload an unplayable file, in an infinite loop, and everything suffers.
I have had the same experience too. I had to use the magic one fingered reset button
On 4/8/23 03:04, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
Many thanks, -T
I installed SMPlayer. It is a GUI for MPlayer, but dnf download mvp and mot mplayer, so go figure. It works though.
On Sat, Apr 08, 2023 at 08:38:17PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I installed SMPlayer. It is a GUI for MPlayer, but dnf download mvp and mot mplayer, so go figure. It works though.
smplayer depends on mpv/mplayer. And mpv is based on mplayer. dnf -C repoquery --deplist smplayer
vlc has one or two features I like. But:
I'm running mpv since ages, after running mplayer before. And even on Windows I used it ("mpv.exe", IIRC) And never looked back again: mpv's options to play anything that has video or audio in it are uncountable. Just have a look at the documentation.
mpv is mostly keyboard-driven - so if someone doesn't like that ...
For me at least this software is a lot easier to handle that any GUI-based player I know about: e.g. if one wants to play a whole folder with files in it, all that's needed is:
mpv /path/to/some/folder
to add a window with info about the files it plays, just add "--force-window" to the previous command. Fullscreen: type "f".
Typing 'i' then gives the specs of the file. Capital "I" makes the info stay.
And if folks are too lazy to type (I'm nearly always lazy) they can run mpv with an xbox controller, turned with a nice driver (xboxdrv) into a remote control.
-- Wolfgang
On Apr 8, 2023, at 6:04 AM, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
I use Parole in place of VLC when it doesn’t work for me — and it’s quite good. Would recommend it!
Slade
On 4/9/23 18:51, Slade Watkins via users wrote:
On Apr 8, 2023, at 6:04 AM, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking it is time to give up on VLC. Parole seems to work okay.
You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?
I use Parole in place of VLC when it doesn’t work for me — and it’s quite good. Would recommend it!
Slade
I have been using Parole and SMplayer. Both do what I want pretty nicely!
Thank you!
What in the world is VLC thinking???