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My father attempted to do a clean GUI install of F11, using the entire drive. But the window "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" never finished - - we let it run for almost a full day. Going to VT2 shows an Xorg process using over 95% of the CPU. We tried xdriver=vesa and acpi=off with no luck. A text-based install works, but is extremely stripped down with only 179 packages installed. We figured out how to use useradd and passwd to create an ordinary user account, but not how to get networking working, or what the easiest way would be to get a list of the default list of packages for a GUI install, and how to install them. We couldn't even get X running - we changed the default runlevel in /etc/inittab from 3 to 5, but the GUI never comes up after booting, just a cursor on a black screen.
Since the text-based installer has been stripped down to the point where it results in an essentially unusable system, and there appears to be no way to use the GUI installer (it's already been reported as bug #505412, but no evidence of progress in fixing it) is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
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On 07/02/2009 06:06 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
Good, that sounds not too difficult. Of course, it assumes that networking is working. Does anyone know how this is done after a text-based install? "ifup eth0" didn't work.
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 18:48 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/02/2009 06:06 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
Good, that sounds not too difficult. Of course, it assumes that networking is working. Does anyone know how this is done after a text-based install? "ifup eth0" didn't work.
If you are using NetworkManager you turn the internet on by choosing the eth0 option in the nm-applet in the upper right corner of the panel.
If you are running network then use system-config-network and configure the eth0 interface, That is thew same as choosing the System->Administration->Network option
Find out which you are running by using the : chkconfig --list |grep <program name>
Only one should be running. I would expect by default it is NM. -- ======================================================================= Don't suspect your friends -- turn them in! -- "Brazil" ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 17:21 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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My father attempted to do a clean GUI install of F11, using the entire drive. But the window "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" never finished
- we let it run for almost a full day. Going to VT2 shows an Xorg
process using over 95% of the CPU. We tried xdriver=vesa and acpi=off with no luck. A text-based install works, but is extremely stripped down with only 179 packages installed. We figured out how to use useradd and passwd to create an ordinary user account, but not how to get networking working, or what the easiest way would be to get a list of the default list of packages for a GUI install, and how to install them. We couldn't even get X running - we changed the default runlevel in /etc/inittab from 3 to 5, but the GUI never comes up after booting, just a cursor on a black screen.
Since the text-based installer has been stripped down to the point where it results in an essentially unusable system, and there appears to be no way to use the GUI installer (it's already been reported as bug #505412, but no evidence of progress in fixing it) is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
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Since week ago I did a GUI install of F11 from a DVD I guess I believe that the GUI install works. But maybe not for your hardware. What hardware do you have and how did you try exactly to do the GUI install. For example which option did you pick from the boot screen? -- ======================================================================= Denver, n.: A smallish city located just below the `O' in Colorado. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
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On 07/03/2009 04:50 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 18:48 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/02/2009 06:06 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
Good, that sounds not too difficult. Of course, it assumes that networking is working. Does anyone know how this is done after a text-based install? "ifup eth0" didn't work.
If you are using NetworkManager you turn the internet on by choosing the eth0 option in the nm-applet in the upper right corner of the panel.
If you are running network then use system-config-network and configure the eth0 interface, That is thew same as choosing the System->Administration->Network option
Find out which you are running by using the : chkconfig --list |grep
<program name>
Only one should be running. I would expect by default it is NM.
There is no GUI available, only 179 packages are installed. I found that adding "BOOTPROTO=dhcp" to ifcfg-eth0 lets me use "service network start" to get networking up. Unfortunately, seconds after starting a yum transaction, the OS freezes completely and I have to power off. Strangely, the same thing happens if I use rescue mode with networking enabled, even though I'm using it every day successfully to update my Rawhide system. Ideally we'd run a single huge rpm transaction to install all the extra packages from the install DVD, without downloading anything, but I don't know any easy way to pull that off without using the (currently unusable) yum to handle the dependency hell.
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On 07/03/2009 04:59 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Since week ago I did a GUI install of F11 from a DVD I guess I believe that the GUI install works. But maybe not for your hardware. What hardware do you have and how did you try exactly to do the GUI install. For example which option did you pick from the boot screen?
It's a machine that has successfully used the GUI install for all recent versions of Fedora before F11. It has an AMD Duron CPU, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD. I myself did a successful GUI F11 install on a machine with a much slower CPU and half the RAM, so that's probably not it. We used the default option, but tried adding "xdriver=vesa" and "acpi=off" with no luck. The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU. We let it run for almost a day with no progress, so it's not just slow. It normally should complete in less than a minute. We are attempting a clean install using the entire drive, the simplest possible case. All choices on the previous pages are the defaults.
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On 07/03/2009 10:11 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU.
Should have mentioned that this window has a progress bar that moves rapidly back and forth. This continues to happen, forever, so the GUI isn't hung, it just isn't doing anything else, apparently. Using top on VT2 shows Xorg using almost all the CPU, and when going back to VT1, the GUI isn't restored, just a black screen with a cursor in the upper left.
Andre Robatino writes:
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On 07/03/2009 04:50 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 18:48 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/02/2009 06:06 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
Good, that sounds not too difficult. Of course, it assumes that networking is working. Does anyone know how this is done after a text-based install? "ifup eth0" didn't work.
If you are using NetworkManager you turn the internet on by choosing the eth0 option in the nm-applet in the upper right corner of the panel.
If you are running network then use system-config-network and configure the eth0 interface, That is thew same as choosing the System->Administration->Network option
Find out which you are running by using the : chkconfig --list |grep
<program name>
Only one should be running. I would expect by default it is NM.
There is no GUI available, only 179 packages are installed. I found that adding "BOOTPROTO=dhcp" to ifcfg-eth0 lets me use "service network start" to get networking up. Unfortunately, seconds after starting a yum transaction, the OS freezes completely and I have to power off.
Boot with the "forcefsck" option, to refsck all your partitions. Until you do that, with all those freezes, it's fairly likely that you have some corruption that is going to keep you from accomplishing anything useful.
Then, the next step is "rpm --rebuilddb". This will recover your RPM database. Until you clean up your partition, and your RPM database, you won't get very far.
If after all that you still hang, the are only two remaining possibilities: failing hardware, or you're hitting a kernel bug.
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On 07/03/2009 10:23 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Andre Robatino writes:
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On 07/03/2009 04:50 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 18:48 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/02/2009 06:06 PM, Frank Cox wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:21:13 -0400 Andre Robatino wrote:
is there a walkthrough anywhere on how to make the resulting system usable?
yum grouplist
Pick the groups you want to install, then
yum groupinstall "name of group" "name of another group"
And so on.
Good, that sounds not too difficult. Of course, it assumes that networking is working. Does anyone know how this is done after a text-based install? "ifup eth0" didn't work.
If you are using NetworkManager you turn the internet on by choosing the eth0 option in the nm-applet in the upper right corner of the panel.
If you are running network then use system-config-network and configure the eth0 interface, That is thew same as choosing the System->Administration->Network option
Find out which you are running by using the : chkconfig --list |grep
<program name>
Only one should be running. I would expect by default it is NM.
There is no GUI available, only 179 packages are installed. I found that adding "BOOTPROTO=dhcp" to ifcfg-eth0 lets me use "service network start" to get networking up. Unfortunately, seconds after starting a yum transaction, the OS freezes completely and I have to power off.
Boot with the "forcefsck" option, to refsck all your partitions. Until you do that, with all those freezes, it's fairly likely that you have some corruption that is going to keep you from accomplishing anything useful.
Then, the next step is "rpm --rebuilddb". This will recover your RPM database. Until you clean up your partition, and your RPM database, you won't get very far.
If after all that you still hang, the are only two remaining possibilities: failing hardware, or you're hitting a kernel bug.
Actually, I was duplicating the text-based install on my VirtualBox in order to be able to walk my father through it remotely. But the hang only seems to happen for me using VB. For him, on the real OS, it works fine. He just edited ifcfg-eth0 to change ONBOOT from no to yes, and added a BOOTPROTO=dhcp line. After "service network restart", his network works fine, so he's busy with yum groupinstall right now.
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On 07/03/2009 10:11 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU.
DVD in constant use? Might be marginal DVD or reader.
Options which have helped me at this point: xdriver=vesa video=vesafb:1024x768 vga=0x318
None is really the magic bullet which "always works," but I've used all of them over the past few years. On one machine the "video=" needed a frame rate specified, once I set that I got an image. That was some SiS video thing in a Shuttle.
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On 07/03/2009 01:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/03/2009 10:11 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU.
DVD in constant use? Might be marginal DVD or reader.
The DVD isn't accessed at all, or the HDD, either, when the problem starts. We did a mediacheck, and have never had a problem with either the DVDs or the reader.
Options which have helped me at this point: xdriver=vesa video=vesafb:1024x768 vga=0x318
None is really the magic bullet which "always works," but I've used all of them over the past few years. On one machine the "video=" needed a frame rate specified, once I set that I got an image. That was some SiS video thing in a Shuttle.
The graphics appear fine. There's a perfectly rendered window with a progress bar going back and forth, forever. The problem seems to be that something in Xorg gets stuck in an infinite loop and doesn't let anything else happen, including the formatting which the window claims is being done.
On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:21:51 -0400 Andre Robatino andre@bwh.harvard.edu wrote:
On 07/03/2009 10:11 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU.
Should have mentioned that this window has a progress bar that moves rapidly back and forth. This continues to happen, forever, so the GUI isn't hung, it just isn't doing anything else, apparently. Using top on VT2 shows Xorg using almost all the CPU, and when going back to VT1, the GUI isn't restored, just a black screen with a cursor in the upper left.
I had a problem using the GUI installation until I selected the second option, low res installation. That enabled me to install. I then had to fix the resolution after the install was done and I had booted into the new system. You seem to be already installed, though with problems so I'm not sure this will help you. I think Sam's advice about making sure everything is correct is good. I would also update yum and rpm before doing everything else. I actually prefer working with yum from the cli for installing all the extra packages once the base system is installed.
Once all the X packages have been installed, run Xorg --configure to create an xorg.conf.new in root directory. Replace the existing version in /etc/X11/ (?) with the new one. Then telinit 5 should boot to X.
One way to use the DVD as an upgrade source is to copy the files from the packages directory while it is mounted to /var/cache/yum/fedora/packages/. Then, the rpms will be found before going to the web, or even if you have no network access. Faster than downloading them. Afterwards, run yum clean packages to get rid of them (or yum clean all).
Not sure any of this addresses your problem, but it gives you some options.
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 10:11 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/03/2009 04:59 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Since week ago I did a GUI install of F11 from a DVD I guess I believe that the GUI install works. But maybe not for your hardware. What hardware do you have and how did you try exactly to do the GUI install. For example which option did you pick from the boot screen?
It's a machine that has successfully used the GUI install for all recent versions of Fedora before F11. It has an AMD Duron CPU, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD. I myself did a successful GUI F11 install on a machine with a much slower CPU and half the RAM, so that's probably not it. We used the default option, but tried adding "xdriver=vesa" and "acpi=off" with no luck. The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU. We let it run for almost a day with no progress, so it's not just slow. It normally should complete in less than a minute. We are attempting a clean install using the entire drive, the simplest possible case. All choices on the previous pages are the defaults. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
OK, let me admit it I was having the same problem with the F11 DVD. I cleaned the DVD with alcohol and it worked fine. This is especially important if you got the DVD from Cheap-bytes. It can't hurt. Try to clean the DVD.
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On 07/03/2009 01:56 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
OK, let me admit it I was having the same problem with the F11 DVD. I cleaned the DVD with alcohol and it worked fine. This is especially important if you got the DVD from Cheap-bytes. It can't hurt. Try to clean the DVD.
Are you saying that you had the "creating filesystem on ..." window showing the progress bar going back and forth, forever? And that it was able to progress past that only after cleaning the DVD? Because I'm quite sure that in our case, the problem had nothing to do with a bad DVD. We checked it originally after burning it almost a month ago, and again with mediacheck just before attempting install for the first time 2 days ago.
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/03/2009 01:56 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
OK, let me admit it I was having the same problem with the F11 DVD. I cleaned the DVD with alcohol and it worked fine. This is especially important if you got the DVD from Cheap-bytes. It can't hurt. Try to clean the DVD.
Are you saying that you had the "creating filesystem on ..." window showing the progress bar going back and forth, forever? And that it was able to progress past that only after cleaning the DVD? Because I'm quite sure that in our case, the problem had nothing to do with a bad DVD. We checked it originally after burning it almost a month ago, and again with mediacheck just before attempting install for the first time 2 days ago.
All II am saying I had a DVD thqaqt passed the media check but when I tried to use it to install I got all sorts of errors and the install crashed. Cleaning the DVD fixed the problem.
Clean your DVD and it will it either help or it won't. That will decide if this is the problem.
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/03/2009 01:56 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
OK, let me admit it I was having the same problem with the F11 DVD. I cleaned the DVD with alcohol and it worked fine. This is especially important if you got the DVD from Cheap-bytes. It can't hurt. Try to clean the DVD.
Are you saying that you had the "creating filesystem on ..." window showing the progress bar going back and forth, forever? And that it was able to progress past that only after cleaning the DVD? Because I'm quite sure that in our case, the problem had nothing to do with a bad DVD. We checked it originally after burning it almost a month ago, and again with mediacheck just before attempting install for the first time 2 days ago.
All II am saying I had a DVD thqaqt passed the media check but when I tried to use it to install I got all sorts of errors and the install crashed. Cleaning the DVD fixed the problem.
Clean your DVD and it will it either help or it won't. That will decide if this is the problem.
This is one of those possible causes which is very unlikely but easy to test. I'm with you, it can't hurt to try it.
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On 07/04/2009 01:18 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
Clean your DVD and it will it either help or it won't. That will decide if this is the problem.
This is one of those possible causes which is very unlikely but easy to test. I'm with you, it can't hurt to try it.
Too late. We've already done the text-based install and are in the middle of using yum groupinstall to install all the groups he has on his F10 machine that aren't on the F11 one. We already have the GUI back. I'll have him check the media again after we're done, but assuming it passes again, it's very unlikely to be the cause of a very specific, reproducible problem such as ours that has also been seen by at least one other person (bug #505412).
There's nothing wrong with doing a text install. In fact it works faster. To rule out the DVD try a network graphic install but I would thing it's a Xorg issue. Anyway, do the text install and I'm pretty sure it'll work. Before rebooting switch to another terminal and chose runlevel 5 to make sure it'll boot on a graphical user interface.
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On 07/03/2009 01:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Andre Robatino wrote:
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On 07/03/2009 10:11 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
The GUI in anaconda works fine right up to the point where the "creating filesystem on /dev/sda1" window starts and Xorg starts using ~95% of the CPU.
DVD in constant use? Might be marginal DVD or reader.
The DVD isn't accessed at all, or the HDD, either, when the problem starts. We did a mediacheck, and have never had a problem with either the DVDs or the reader.
Options which have helped me at this point: xdriver=vesa video=vesafb:1024x768 vga=0x318
None is really the magic bullet which "always works," but I've used all of them over the past few years. On one machine the "video=" needed a frame rate specified, once I set that I got an image. That was some SiS video thing in a Shuttle.
The graphics appear fine. There's a perfectly rendered window with a progress bar going back and forth, forever. The problem seems to be that something in Xorg gets stuck in an infinite loop and doesn't let anything else happen, including the formatting which the window claims is being done.
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