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Network Manager issue in F9
by Paolo Galtieri 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

I have 2 laptops running F9. Both run NetworkManager. On one, a Dell Inspiron 8600, when I run nm-tool I get the following output (for brevity I'm only showing the wired info since that's where the issue is): NetworkManager Tool State: connected - Device: eth0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Type: Wired Driver: b44 State: connected HW Address: 00:0D:56:36:EB:13 Capabilities: Supported: yes Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 100 Mb/s Wired Settings Note that it says the status is connected. On the other laptop, a Dell Precision Mobile M65, I get the following output NetworkManager Tool State: disconnected - Device: eth0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Type: Wired Driver: tg3 State: unmanaged HW Address: 00:00:00:00:00:00 Capabilities: Supported: yes Carrier Detect: yes Speed: 1000 Mb/s Wired Settings Note that it says the state is disconnected despite the fact that I'm logged into the system remotely. Also note that the MAC address associated with the wired interface is all 0's. What's going on here? Anybody else see this problem? An lspci of the M65 shows: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01) 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller (rev 01) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 01) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72GL [Quadro FX 350M] (rev a1) 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. Cardbus bridge (rev 21) 03:01.4 FireWire (IEEE 1394): O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394) (rev 02) 09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02) 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) The annoying aspect of this is that every time I start Firefox 3 it comes up in offline mode. I've had to go back to Firefox 2 to get around this annoyance. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Paolo

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RE: reinstall grub
by Michael.Coll-Barth＠VerizonWireless.com 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

> From: Craig White > On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 06:46 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 14:43 +0100, Scott van Looy wrote: > > > I know I can reinstall Fedora to get grub back in the > right place, but is > > > there a way of just running the grub install bit of the > setup, so I don't > > > have to reinstall? > > ---- > > boot the installation DVD/CD > > > > chroot /mnt/sysimage > > grub-install /dev/sda > ---- > forgot to mention...you need to tell boot DVD/CD 'linux rescue' > > Craig You might also consider creating a GRUB boot diskette that is invaluable for fixing these kinds of problems; http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm The information contained in this message and any attachment may be proprietary, confidential, and privileged or subject to the work product doctrine and thus protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you.

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Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?
by Mike Bird 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5 in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves KDE 3.5 configurations? KDE 4.0 is incomplete and not suitable for most users. KDE 4.1 will be incomplete and not suitable for most users. The KDE devels are debating whether KDE 4.2 will be usable. The pro-plasma crowd argue that it is theoretically possible to implement a desktop by KDE 4.2, but that everyone should change to using the folderview and forget about real desktops. Probably control center will be fixed by KDE 4.2. It's debatable whether Dolphin will ever have the usability that KDE 3.5 Konqueror had, but if it does it won't be until KDE 4.2 at the earliest. F9 already includes a usable KMenu to replace the KDE 4.0 joke, although the usable KMenu is not the default. I'm not a KDE developer but I do have users that need to get work done and they are not interested in a religious conversion to plasmoids. After reading a lot of KDE developer discussions my best guess is that KDE 4.3 is the earliest possibility for most KDE users, but no guarantees. This puts us in something of a quandary. F9 KDE 4.0 is hugely annoying to most KDE users. F8 KDE 3.5 still works fine of course but IIRC security updates will end in six months. QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5 in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves KDE 3.5 configurations? --Mike Bird

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gnome-system-monitor -- most of the views greyed out.
by Bill Case 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

Hi; I use gnome-system-monitor all the time. Leave it on the upper left corner of my top panel. In F9 I find that all the options other than Memory Maps and Open Files are greyed out -- and they do nothing discernible. I can no longer choose All processes, active processes or my processes. The processes reflected in the main window are only the processes of the logged in user. I now have to sudo to see root processes etc. Is this deliberate or a bug? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9, Gnome 2.22.2 Evo.2.22.2, Emacs 22.2.1

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reinstall grub
by Scott van Looy 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

I have a standard install of fedora 9 It's dual booting with Vista Vista broke (gparted ate it before I get any snide comments =P) so I had to reinstall it grub was my boot manager that had Vista as an option, now grub is gone. I know I can reinstall Fedora to get grub back in the right place, but is there a way of just running the grub install bit of the setup, so I don't have to reinstall? Scott -- Scott van Looy - email:me@ethosuk.org.uk | web:www.ethosuk.org.uk site:www.freakcity.net - the in place for outcasts since 2003 PGP Fingerprint: 7180 5543 C6C4 747B 7E74 802C 7CF9 E526 44D9 D4A7 ------------------------------------------- |/// /// /// /// WIDE LOAD /// /// /// ///| ------------------------------------------- All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism.

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Hardware browser??
by Beartooth 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

Fedora always used to have a hardware browser; for a while it had two, one with endless cryptic detail, and one highly simplified. Now I find neither. Has it (or have they) been renamed? Can I add it with yum? Some other way? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.

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Re: Periodic Fedora 9 system hangs with jumpy mouse
by Steve Dowe 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

I have this problem too. Deron Meranda wrote: > Okay, so Xorg ran away last night ... <snip> > it should have been a completely idle unused system. > > Anyway, concerning the Xorg driver module, this is a brand new > install of F9 (not an upgrade). All the software is part of the base F9 > repo; nothing 3rd party was added. Everything was auto-detected. > Ditto. I have the most up to date versions of X, etc at the time or writing. Same kernel too (2.6.25.6-55.fc9.x86_64). > The Xorg driver chosen for this was: > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so > > My screen is 1440 x 900 x 24, monitor is DELL E198WFP > Mine's 1680x1050. Using an HP Compaq 6715b laptop with ATI Radeon Express X1250, >> from level 3 boot, remove driver, then use 'yum install' to bring your >> driver back in and reboot to load it. driver may be fried. >> > > The driver is coming from the package xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.8.0-14.fc9.i386 > I did an rpm verify on it, > rpm -V -v xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.8.0-14.fc9.i386 > and that said all the files were intact and correct. > Again, same. My drivers seem to be present and correct. > >> kde, gnome? have you tried any minimal desktops? something may, tho i >> would doubt, be different in how you bring up x. >> > > Haven't tried other desktops other than Gnome, but I have disabled > all the fancy effects, etc. > > I can confirm this occurs in both KDE and GNOME on my system. > The system runs perfectly fine; until that magic moment when the > Xorg process runs away. Or is that the kernel that is running away? > I wish I knew how to debug the kernel better; because it just doesn't > appear to be a user-space problem. > The cause of this problem on my system seems to be when dragging (resizing) a window. X then seems to hang, the pointer gets jumpy and the whole desktop is unresponsive. Being SSH'd in from another machine, I could see Xorg at 99-100% CPU. This never seems to happen when dragging a whole window, just when I try to resize one. I haven't noticed this happening at all by using a scroll bar (but I'm not saying this fault hasn't been triggered that way too..). The only way I can recover is a hard reboot - holding down the power button. Issuing "init 6" or "reboot" makes no difference - it just hangs, which makes me think this is kernel- rather than X-related.. :-( I'm afraid I cannot offer the same diagnostics as Deron without a little instruction, but I'd like to help to resolve this.. ;-) FWIW, I'm downloading the debug flavour of the current kernel. I'm going to reboot into that and see if I can get more output in the log(s)... Is it possible that the Radeon driver can be triggering a bug in the kernel (which hangs X)? All the best, Steve

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virtmanager, qemu-kvm and keyboard
by Christoph Höger 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

Hi, Ive got a little problem with my virtmanager here. I installed a debian just for testing into a qemu-kvm driven machine. Everything seems to work fine, except that I get a lot of "unknown keycode 0x0" errors, when I press "-" key or other essential keys. Is there a workaround? regards Christoph

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Re: why all are thinking in that way only?
by Parshwa Murdia 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

dear g, ************** g: as i mentioned to you before, tech support list are a strange bunch. some trusting, some not. i apologize for not going into more detail. :o) just like i think your new 'subject:' is ok because it is a strange subject for a list like this. *************** u are not going into the details, so please don't apologize because nobody is saying u to go into the details, this mail was only for those who have already let me know about the keyloggers. subject was not strange but as i was new to the list, some fellow let me know that the subject should be the same. *************** g: others will look just to see what you are up to now. others may have passed over it thinking that they were not interested because they just are not interested. some, no reflection to 'poc', will think as he did. which may have brought response. others not, because to them, it is a dead subject. ********************* people on the list are very good and it is an educational list, i have learned too much and got the doubts cleared. ********************* g: from response so far, you are getting a good response and at least, so far, no one is telling you how 'stupid' or 'dumb' you are for even asking. no reflection to 'craig' or his 'beavus' and 'butthead'. ******************* one person can say according to his own feelings and knowledge, so actually your words : 'stupid' and 'dumb' have shown the level of your own stupidity and dumbness. *********** g: all in all, it does help to chose your 'subject:' as best you can. let it sit for a while and if no response, think of a way to change it to have more meaning. ************** u always (since i know u) act as a useless mentor who because your suggestions are non-technical in nature. ********************************* g: in reading your post, as is evident from above line, you have trouble in grasping 'proper' english. this is not a put down, just an understanding of why you are going to run into problems from time to time. ******************************* u are the only person in the world if u are not facing any problem, and also the first person of this kind. ********************** g: as a suggestion for a 'subject:' line format, 'subject: [distribution, version] [hardware | program | operation] [problem]' then in body of post give more detail. when thru, run a spell checker. have heart. in time you will get 'hang of it' just as you are doing in communicating in english. perseverance. hth. [i hope this helps you] and no, my 'oops' and google was not by accident. ******************* as already said, ur majority of the responses are non-technical in nature. those who understood the problem, have let known the issue. at the last but not the least, as you have been suggesting me (without i asked), so i would also join a list for learning english much better and i would thank to you for the suggestions. regards, parshwa

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speaking of grub graphical boot...
by Tom Horsley 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

I have from time to time tried to make my own grub boot image. I've seen all the rules I'm supposed to follow about making it the right size and the right number of colors, and my own attempts often work out fine. But then there are those other times, when I'll have an image that looks perfectly fine in gimp, or eog, or whatever, but when grub displays it, the colors are completely wacked out - not at all like the colors specified in the xpm file. Anyone know what rule I am missing about restrictions on the images?

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