On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 21:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>You are not in any position to give personal advice without it
coming
>across in a manner that you I am sure you would not want to purposefully
>aim for. Personal commentary like this doesn't have any place in this
>discussion so let's try to avoid it, okay?
Would you perhaps need a ladder to reach the saddle of that horse?
Below you apologize for personal offenses yet make yet another one. Can
you understand how your apology doesn't come across as sincere?
>If you disagree with a design for something implemented in
Fedora, here
>are some examples of inappropriate reactions (all witnessed in this
>thread unfortunately):
>
>1 - Rant that nobody asked for YOUR opinion, especially when feedback
>was actually solicited over a period of several months across several
>forums that are heavily frequented by Fedora users and contributors
>alike.
A few of said users maybe, but by not copying to this list, you probably
bypassed, and here I'm guessing without even a scientific basis here, 85% of
the everyday users.
What is an "everyday user"?
Where do you get the '85%' figure from? Do you seriously believe that
85% of Fedora users are subscribed to this mailing list? That's
~1,300,000 (~1.3 million) users on this mailing list. Really? Does
mailman even scale that mough?
(~1.3 million = 85% of the ~1.6 million users of Fedora 9 - Fedora 12
according to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics )
>2 - Spread conspiracy theories about how the design took place
in
>secret, when the design actually took place in an open and transparent
>manner, with frequent updates to the design posted over a period of
>months.
As I am not subscribed to the lists you maintain were the proper ones for
web design, it was, as far as we could see, done in secret.
See #1.
>If you pay attention to the emails I've written on this thread, I've not
>taken offense at anyone's opinion of the website. Where I have taken
>offense is where I've been personally insulted, my skills as a designer
>and commitment to Fedora and its community have been questioned, and
>where I was told that I am full of 'BS'.
>
>I would *LOVE* to hear more actual feedback on the website and its
>design - we've been asking for it for months. This thread shows clearly
>that this list is apparently not a great place to get it - it makes it
>clear that asking for feedback on this particular list in the first
>place would have been a bad idea.
>
I have to disagree milady.
Don't call me "milady"
By appearing to have a heavy disdain for the opinions of the (apparently
unwashed in your opinion) fedora _users_. We are just the rabble I guess.
We are not qualified to comment one way or the other. As you see it...
Where's the disdain?
~m