On 07/20/2010 09:11 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Right! :) Now, how does one explain the Fedora_Cloud_Infrastructure?
How does one explain Fedora Games SIG? Fedora has hundreds of projects running at any time and only a small fraction of it is connected to Red Hat. I assumed you just searched for cloud in the wiki and threw up the first link that came up. Read what it says in more details. Fedora's infrastructure efforts on virtualization pre-dates Red Hat's cloud efforts by a few years. Fedora has always used VM's to build packages. I
It is there, because Red Hat needs to test those techonologies out before they are used?, or Red Hat is already prepared to consult with individulals, and/or companies that want to use Cloud Computing Services?
I carefully try to keep up with these topics as I read that others are already doing this and that something needed to be done to keep up with the changes?
Yours and others' input are greatly appreciated :)
You need to look beyond the word "cloud" and understand that it is a catch all phrase and does mean a single body of technology. The technologies involved have already been widely used, namely virtualization and other things. Read the document for consulting and you can see for yourself how this is not something fundamental new.
Rahul
How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?
A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, SugarSpin, ..., etc. I can ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games spin if needed, but I am happy as it is :)
Fedora has hundreds of projects running at any time and only a small fraction of it is connected to Red Hat. I assumed you just searched for cloud in the wiki and threw up the first link that came up.
Wrong! I did not do that. I looked for Fedora Cloud Services and that was the first page that showed up.
Read what it says in more details. Fedora's infrastructure efforts on virtualization pre-dates Red Hat's cloud efforts by a few years. Fedora has always used VM's to build packages.
I read it and it says the following: <quote> We are still working on the Fedora cloud setup, the content of this page will grow at the same time we work and troubleshoot all services. </quote>
It is there, because Red Hat needs to test those
techonologies out before they are used?, or Red Hat is already prepared to consult with individulals, and/or companies that want to use Cloud Computing Services?
I carefully try to keep up with these topics as I read
that others are already doing this and that something needed to be done to keep up with the changes?
Yours and others' input are greatly appreciated :)
You need to look beyond the word "cloud" and understand that it is a catch all phrase and does mean a single body of technology. The technologies involved have already been widely used, namely virtualization and other things. Read the document for consulting and you can see for yourself how this is not something fundamental new.
Well actually it might not be new, but for it to be on Fedora, I scratched my head :) Since Fedora is a free general purpose operating system, I could not think that "Cloud Computing" would be promoted?
And anyone can host those "cloud computing services" using Fedora if anyone would want to make money selling those services :)
Rahul
Thanks for your input.
Regards,
Antonio
On 07/20/2010 09:57 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?
A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, SugarSpin, ..., etc. I can ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games spin if needed, but I am happy as it is :)
Yes but you are missing the point. Not everything that Fedora does is connected to Red Hat.
I read it and it says the following:
<quote> We are still working on the Fedora cloud setup, the content of this page will grow at the same time we work and troubleshoot all services. </quote>
Which has nothing to do with what I said. Fedora has been a extensive user of virtualization for many years and extending it for new use cases is not something fundamentally new. Fedora infrastructure wants to provide more service for Fedora contributors and users.
Well actually it might not be new, but for it to be on Fedora, I scratched my head :) Since Fedora is a free general purpose operating system, I could not think that "Cloud Computing" would be promoted?
And anyone can host those "cloud computing services" using Fedora if anyone would want to make money selling those services :)
Sure or it might just be a Fedora infrastructure offering for contributors or it can be a paid service to host your backups or it can be a set of components to run on your own server. It all depends on what your particular idea of "cloud computing" actually is.
Rahul
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:27:07 -0700, Antonio Olivares olivares14031@yahoo.com wrote:
How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?
A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, SugarSpin, ..., etc. I can ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games spin if needed, but I am happy as it is :)
The Games SIG is different than the Games Spin. The Games Spin is essentially a demo. Though with the improvement of video support and larger usb drives, having a live Games USB device that you actually use is becoming practical. (Though you would probably use a custom spin, since there are a lot of games not on the Games Spin that you might want on a live usb.)
The Games SIG is also important for getting games packaged for Fedora. In case you didn't know getting packages reviewed is hard since there are more needing review than there are available reviewers. When I wanted to package Collosus, Jason Tibbs promptly did a review and sponsored me. This happened because of the Games SIG. If it had been some other random package, I might have had to wait a long time to find a sponsor and get a review.
And anyone can host those "cloud computing services" using Fedora if anyone would want to make money selling those services :)
"Cloud" is a buzzword these days. It seems to cover a number of different hosting models.
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
From: Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ... To: "Community support for Fedora users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:40 AM On 07/20/2010 09:57 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
How does one explain Fedora Games SIG?
A customized spin of Fedora with games :), Like KDE
spin, LXDE spin, XFCE spin, SugarSpin, ..., etc. I can ask Bruno Wolffe for more information on the Games spin if needed, but I am happy as it is :)
Yes but you are missing the point. Not everything that Fedora does is connected to Red Hat.
Did I say that? You are adding this to the discussion. I just posted that Red Hat had a "cloud committee" and a link to the page. I know, I know if you took it that way I am sorry :(
I read it and it says the following:
<quote> We are still working on the Fedora cloud setup, the
content of this page will grow at the same time we work and troubleshoot all services.
</quote>
Which has nothing to do with what I said. Fedora has been a extensive user of virtualization for many years and extending it for new use cases is not something fundamentally new. Fedora infrastructure wants to provide more service for Fedora contributors and users.
I know Fedora has been involved with this for quite some time, this is not disputed :)
Well actually it might not be new, but for it to be on
Fedora, I scratched my head :) Since Fedora is a free general purpose operating system, I could not think that "Cloud Computing" would be promoted?
And anyone can host those "cloud computing services"
using Fedora if anyone would want to make money selling those services :)
Sure or it might just be a Fedora infrastructure offering for contributors or it can be a paid service to host your backups or it can be a set of components to run on your own server. It all depends on what your particular idea of "cloud computing" actually is.
Rahul
In reading other responses, I see that "public" vs "private" "Cloud Computing", if you want to choose one, the cost would be lower if you go with "private computing". Still, like I posted before, I agree with Mr. Richard Stallman :)
Regards,
Antonio
On 07/20/2010 10:19 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Did I say that? You are adding this to the discussion. I just posted that Red Hat had a "cloud committee" and a link to the page. I know, I know if you took it that way I am sorry :(
What cloud committee? You posted a link about a consulting offering from Red Hat and discussed about that affecting Fedora and pointed to the Fedora wiki page. The conclusion you were making were that they were connected. I am not adding that to the discussion newly. I am merely pointing out that despite the user of the word "cloud", what Red Hat does and what Fedora infrastructure does are about completely dissimilar things and therefore your conclusion that somehow there is new technologies to test for the cloud and Fedora would be used for that has no evidence.
In reading other responses, I see that "public" vs "private" "Cloud Computing", if you want to choose one, the cost would be lower if you go with "private computing". Still, like I posted before, I agree with Mr. Richard Stallman :)
All you keep saying is that you agree with RMS. How does the concept of private servers to run your own services change your argument?
Rahul
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
From: Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ... To: "Community support for Fedora users" users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:56 AM On 07/20/2010 10:19 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
Did I say that? You are adding this to the
discussion. I just posted that Red Hat had a "cloud committee" and a link to the page. I know, I know if you took it that way I am sorry :(
What cloud committee?
Sorry I did not post that, I forgot about it. I read that Red Hat was exploring the "Cloud computing/Cloud Services" like Google, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and others who are implementing it already. They were going to explore the concept, I forgot to link these:
http://news.techworld.com/applications/3228007/red-hat-launches-cloud-founda... <quote> Published: 10:20 GMT, 24 June 10 Red Hat has launched a comprehensive package, called Red Hat Cloud Foundations, that will allow organisations to run applications in both public clouds and their own private clouds. With this release, Red Hat is one of only two companies that offer a complete package for running a hybrid cloud, said Scott Crenshaw, vice president and general manager of Red Hat's cloud business unit. The other company is Microsoft, with its Azure platform. The announcement was one of a number of cloud-related announcements that the company made during the kickoff of its Red Hat Summit, being held this week in Boston. The company also has added new partners to its Red Hat Certified Cloud Provider Program. It has released version 2.2 of its Red Hat Enterprise Virtualisation (RHEV) package, and has integrated Cisco's Virtual Network Link (VN-Link) technology within the RHEV package. The first edition of the Red Hat Cloud Foundations package includes a set of Red Hat programs, a reference architecture, and a number of consulting services and training classes. The Red Hat programs include Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), Red Hat Network Satellite, RHEV, JBoss and the company's messaging software. </quote>
http://press.redhat.com/2010/07/12/red-hat-introduces-cloud-consulting-servi... {This was the link I posted}
You posted a link about a consulting offering from Red Hat and discussed about that affecting Fedora and pointed to the Fedora wiki page. The conclusion you were making were that they were connected. I am not adding that to the discussion newly. I am merely pointing out that despite the user of the word "cloud", what Red Hat does and what Fedora infrastructure does are about completely dissimilar things and therefore your conclusion that somehow there is new technologies to test for the cloud and Fedora would be used for that has no evidence.
In reading other responses, I see that "public" vs
"private" "Cloud Computing", if you want to choose one, the cost would be lower if you go with "private computing". Still, like I posted before, I agree with Mr. Richard Stallman :)
All you keep saying is that you agree with RMS. How does the concept of private servers to run your own services change your argument?
Rahul
This is what I want to learn more about :) This is the why I asked the question in the first place :) To learn more and advice some of my friends that are interested in "Cloud Services"
Regards,
Antonio
On 07/20/2010 10:41 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
What cloud committee?
Sorry I did not post that, I forgot about it. I read that Red Hat was exploring the "Cloud computing/Cloud Services" like Google, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and others who are implementing it already. They were going to explore the concept, I forgot to link these:
http://news.techworld.com/applications/3228007/red-hat-launches-cloud-founda...
I am not sure about your reference to a "cloud committee" yet. This is a new Red Hat product offering
Rahul
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