Need to improve Fedora Hardware compatibilty & Gnome3

[Navdeep Singh Sidhu]

Hello,
Recently working using fedora 15 on my Dell laptop becomes pain in my neck.
So i figure out that linux & fedora needs a lot of improvement to do. So i
come up with a list that i thinks lacks in Fedora & Gnome 3.

Like:-

   - Hardware drivers like for  Canon printers needs to be update. Some
   drivers are missing or not avail.
   - Drivers for wifi card & Bluetooth devices are not available. (Like 9
   out of 10 dell laptops doesn't detect wifi card on fedora. For eg..in my
   case i have intel centrino 6230 wificard it doesn't works on fedora but in
   Ubuntu it works. Same with HP & Toshiba but better than dell)
   - Bugs in wifi drivers (Some time wifi card detects the network but don't
   connect to it or some time get connect but automatically disconnects. there
   is no problem with network settings i have checked on many computers. )

In Gnome 3:-

   - Drag & Drop functions are really poor.
   - At some places there are really need of drag & drop.
   - Lack of themes.
   - Missing the wobbly effect of windows in Gnome.
   - Need to improve locations & organization of application launcher in
   Gnome 3(it is very time consuming to launch an application from start menu).
   - Stability of Gnome3(I don't know what is the reason behind this but
   people ofen ask me that gnome 3 some time crashes but it is very rare.)

These are not my personal views people love fedora but some time the above
problems stops them to use this distro. i personally likes Fedora but my
laptop is not fully compatible with it. These are views collected from
different people who are connected to me via field of Linux.
I really hate when some people say that Windows have more in built drivers
than Linux or Hardware compatibility of Linux is poor than Windows.
So i think that these are required changes to be made in Fedora or people
want these changes to be made. I really want to  thank programmers & people
who are contributing there knowledge to Open source & Linux helping to make
Linux better and more better.

Regards
Navdeep Singh
Core Member
Technical Students Society's Panel <http://www.facebook.com/tssgndu>;,
Founder & President
The Linux Club <http://www.linuxgndu.webs.com/>;,
Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar
India

[Tim]

On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 22:58 +0530, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:
>  i come up with a list that i thinks lacks in Fedora & Gnome 3.
>   
>  Like:-
>   
>     - Hardware drivers like for  Canon printers needs to be update.
>  Some drivers are missing or not avail. 
...[likewise with drivers for other things]...

Drivers really need to come from the manufacturers [1], especially as
far as closed source stuff goes [2].  Or for manufacturers to publish
adequate technical details about their product that allows someone else
to make drivers without playing guessing games [3].  Or for
manufacturers to produce hardware to some sort of standard [4].

1. It's really hard to build software to work with unknown hardware.
Even more so when the hardware keeps changing (as was often the case
with internal modems - the Windows user would get an install disk with
several different drivers for the same product, and the user would
either have to work out which one to apply, or hope that the system
could do it by itself).

2. Closed source stuff probably won't get included with Fedora, anyway.
Though there are third-parties which don't mind supporting this, and you
can use those third-party repos.

3. Many Linux drivers are made by programming enthusiasts, or coders not
employed by the hardware manufacturer, because the manufacturer doesn't
see the value in employing someone to support other OSs.  They need
information to go on.

4. Printer manufacturers can make printers that use PostScript, so that
special drivers for their printer aren't needed.  And, perhaps, the only
thing needed to suit that particular printer, is to set up the margins.
Of course, this makes it harder to include special features, but not all
products need special features.  Sometimes the standard features offered
by a common language, like Postscript, are adequate.  The same situation
applies for non-printer products.

>  
>  In Gnome 3:-
>   
>     - Drag & Drop functions are really poor.
>     - At some places there are really need of drag & drop.
>     - Lack of themes.
>     - Missing the wobbly effect of windows in Gnome.
>     - Need to improve locations & organization of application launcher
>  in Gnome 3(it is very time consuming to launch an application from
>  start menu). 
Again, this isn't a Fedora issue, but Gnome.  A little closer to home,
but still external.  And there's a bit more chance of influencing an
open source project, like Gnome, than some big corporation producing
hardware that's chiefly aimed at Windows, rather than everybody.  Though
there's a lot of ill feeling towards Gnome, not just because of the
radical changes in Gnome 3, but the general attitude of it being their
pet project has been around for a long time.

Gnome seems to be going even more off the rails, lately.  The whole idea
of a graphical interface that requires so much keyboard work, to use it,
is just backwards.


>  I really hate when some people say that Windows have more in built
>  drivers than Linux or Hardware compatibility of Linux is poor than
>  Windows. 
I've always found the opposite.  It's far more like that something would
just work with Linux, than with Windows.  With Windows, you nearly
always needed to install drivers from a disc, or find them on the
internet (if you could).  They only worked with certain Windows
releases.  Or there was other weird compatibility issues (no, you can't
use that sound card, and that graphics card, and that capture card, in
the one computer...)

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[Jatin K]

On Wednesday 21 September 2011 10:58 PM, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:


---snip---
>  These are not my personal views people love fedora but some time the
>
>  above problems stops them to use this distro. i personally likes 
>  Fedora but my laptop is not fully compatible with it. These are views 
>  collected from different people who are connected to me via field of 
>  Linux. 
Same situation is here .... ATI graphics card is not working with FC , 
same for Wife and touch pad (mouse)
  but all these things works without any problem with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS

>  I really hate when some people say that Windows have more in built 
>  drivers than Linux or Hardware compatibility of Linux is poor than 
>  Windows. 
:-(

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[Joe Zeff]

On 09/21/2011 10:28 AM, Navdeep Singh Sidhu wrote:
>  Hello,
>  Recently working using fedora 15 on my Dell laptop becomes pain in my
>  neck. So i figure out that linux & fedora needs a lot of improvement to
>  do. So i come up with a list that i thinks lacks in Fedora & Gnome 3. 
Fedora will always need improvement because it's a work in progress and 
a test bed for new programs and technologies.  That doesn't mean that we 
shouldn't complain about what's wrong, or try to get problems fixed 
because that's part of what Fedora's all about.

Alas, part of what you're complaining about is with Gnome 3, and Fedora 
doesn't control that.  You'll need to get your complaints to the Gnome 
devs and see if they're interested in doing anything about that.

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 22:58:36 +0530,
  Navdeep Singh Sidhu <navdeepsingh.sidhu95(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>     - Hardware drivers like for  Canon printers needs to be update. Some
>     drivers are missing or not avail.
>     - Drivers for wifi card & Bluetooth devices are not available. (Like 9
>     out of 10 dell laptops doesn't detect wifi card on fedora. For eg..in my
>     case i have intel centrino 6230 wificard it doesn't works on fedora but in
>     Ubuntu it works. Same with HP & Toshiba but better than dell)
>     - Bugs in wifi drivers (Some time wifi card detects the network but don't
>     connect to it or some time get connect but automatically disconnects. there
>     is no problem with network settings i have checked on many computers. ) 
Note that Fedora is only going to include free drivers. Ubuntu can include
some proprietary drivers that are not available for use in Fedora.

Bugs in wifi drivers really need to be addressed upstream. Fedora uses
pretty recent kernels. (f14 is somewhat behind and f15 a little behind, but
going forward major kernel updates should be happening in releases.)
If Fedora 16 (beta due real soon now) doesn't work, then work needs to be
done in the kernel, rather than in Fedora.

[fedora-india] Need to improve Fedora Hardware compatibilty & Gnome3

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Navdeep Singh Sidhu
<navdeepsingh.sidhu95(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
| so i figure out that linux & fedora needs a lot of improvement to do.
\--

... (1)

---
| Hardware drivers like for  Canon printers needs to be update. Some drivers
| are missing or not avail.
\--

Did you write to Canon and ask? Most of the time vendors don't ship
hardware specifications for us to write drivers.

---
| Drag & Drop functions are really poor.
\--

You need to be clear in your writing. Define 'poor'.

You might want to file bugs for things that you need.

---
| i personally likes Fedora but my
| laptop is not fully compatible with it.
\--

So (1) is false.

---
| I really hate when some people say that Windows have more in built drivers
| than Linux or Hardware compatibility of Linux is poor than Windows.
\--

As I mentioned earlier, blame the vendors, not the Linux kernel developers.

SK

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