There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Look www.kde.org. I find it quite useful. And in my view KDE4 is good.
Thanks, Anoop
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Linuxguy123 wrote:
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something
on how its supposed to
be used. Is there a guide or website that has a
little tutorial
somewhere ?
Get yourself a cup of coffee and point your browser to http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/ Look at the guides, and feel free to use the community features on there. There are screenshots and a tonne of resources so you cannot exhaust those.
Regards, Vandaman.
On Saturday 04 October 2008 19:36:02 ANOOP wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
http://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase
http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary
http://planetkde.org/ (for some good blogs/info and video clips)
Also have a look on youtube for demo's of what can be done with: Plasma, Dolphin, the new panel, Lancelot and more..
Colin
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:53:47PM +0100, Colin J Thomson wrote:
On Saturday 04 October 2008 19:36:02 ANOOP wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
http://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase
http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary
http://planetkde.org/ (for some good blogs/info and video clips)
Also have a look on youtube for demo's of what can be done with: Plasma, Dolphin, the new panel, Lancelot and more..
Colin
I do not know how to view youtube or flash on 64-bit F9. How is it done?
Dave Feustel <dfeustel <at> mindspring.com> writes:
I do not know how to view youtube or flash on 64-bit F9. How is it done?
It can be done with nspluginwrapper. Or you can try gnash or swfdec, which are actually Free Software.
But many of the videos you're looking for (KDE 4 demos/tutorials) can be find in Ogg Theora format on the developer blogs.
Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 04 October 2008 19:45, Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com
wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
Open Kickoff (right-click the "f" button on the panel, make sure to select "kickoff meny style"), browse to xterm (or konqueror), right-click on it and select "add to panel". I've also heard that drag&drop from the "classic menu style" also works, but have not tried it.
HTH, :-) Marko
On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:32, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes precious space on my 12" notebook screen. :-)
But I believe the OP's question is more on the lines of "what can KDE4 do that KDE3 cannot", ie. what is the precise benefit of this major rewrite of the code and a paradigm shift? I was tempted to ask this myself, but Linuxguy beat me to it. :-)
It is obvious that KDE4 is meant to be used with a different mindset (no icons on the desktop, desktop is not a folder, everything you can see is a window or a widget, etc...), but the question is actually *why* is it different and *how* is one supposed to think in order to make optimum usage of it. I believe some users are trying to forcibly configure it to behave like KDE3, and are frustrated by the process and the results. The "why" question is obvious somehow...
Note, I did some reading on the sugested websites that explain this in some sense, but I still fail to see the actual benefit of this paradigm shift. So I'd be grateful if someone explained this in a nutshell, and I believe this is what OP also wants. I also like it and use it on a daily basis, but somehow feel that I am missing the idea of how it is intended to be used.
Best, :-) Marko
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 08:53:32PM +0000, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 04 October 2008 19:45, Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com
wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
Open Kickoff (right-click the "f" button on the panel, make sure to select "kickoff meny style"), browse to xterm (or konqueror), right-click on it and select "add to panel". I've also heard that drag&drop from the "classic menu style" also works, but have not tried it.
Thanks for the directions! I was able to drag n drop Konqueror to the lower panel, but I did not find xterm anywhere. (I did find terminal in the system menu, but I want xterm). I also just discovered that I can copy the xterm icon from the desktop to the panel, just like in kde3. I now don't understand what I did that made me think this wouldn't work. But I am very happy to have icons for Konqueror and Xterm on the system panel!
HTH, :-) Marko
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On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 09:14:49PM +0000, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 04 October 2008 18:32, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes precious space on my 12" notebook screen. :-)
But I believe the OP's question is more on the lines of "what can KDE4 do that KDE3 cannot", ie. what is the precise benefit of this major rewrite of the code and a paradigm shift? I was tempted to ask this myself, but Linuxguy beat me to it. :-)
As good as Konqueror3 was, Konqueror4 is even better. Gwenview is a major improvement over Kview. Okular is a big improvement over xpdf.
When it comes to KDE, I always look forward, never backward.
On 10/04/2008 04:53 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Saturday 04 October 2008 19:45, Dave Feustel wrote:
Open Kickoff (right-click the "f" button on the panel, make sure to select "kickoff meny style"), browse to xterm (or konqueror), right-click on it and select "add to panel". I've also heard that drag&drop from the "classic menu
How about things that are not in the menu (user defined ones for example) - what used to be known as non-kde-apps ? Some app in /usr/local/bin for example.
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 21:14 +0000, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
It is obvious that KDE4 is meant to be used with a different mindset (no icons on the desktop, desktop is not a folder, everything you can see is a window or a widget, etc...), but the question is actually *why* is it different and *how* is one supposed to think in order to make optimum usage of it. I believe some users are trying to forcibly configure it to behave like KDE3, and are frustrated by the process and the results. The "why" question is obvious somehow...
Note, I did some reading on the sugested websites that explain this in some sense, but I still fail to see the actual benefit of this paradigm shift. So I'd be grateful if someone explained this in a nutshell, and I believe this is what OP also wants. I also like it and use it on a daily basis, but somehow feel that I am missing the idea of how it is intended to be used.
You said it better than I did.
I don't "get" KDE4. The big thing I missed from KDE3 was a desktop with real folders on it that I could drag and drop to my heart's content. KDE has "folder view" that one can use to display a folder and one can put the icon for a folder on the desktop, but I don't see how that is better than what we had with KDE3.
All I see so far is that KDE4 is different. I don't get how it is better.
The management and control of the desktop area is what I don't understand. Its like we added a layer of complexity (ie using folder view and having to use an icon on the desktop to represent the folder) and I am not following why its better. I don't see anything we couldn't have done in KDE3 if we would have added widgets to it.
Why did they not allow the user to have a traditional desktop that displayed the entire contents of the Desktop folder ?
Thanks
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 21:14 +0000, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
It is obvious that KDE4 is meant to be used with a different mindset (no icons on the desktop, desktop is not a folder, everything you can see is a window or a widget, etc...), but the question is actually *why* is it different and *how* is one supposed to think in order to make optimum usage of it. I believe some users are trying to forcibly configure it to behave like KDE3, and are frustrated by the process and the results. The "why" question is obvious somehow...
Note, I did some reading on the sugested websites that explain this in some sense, but I still fail to see the actual benefit of this paradigm shift. So I'd be grateful if someone explained this in a nutshell, and I believe this is what OP also wants. I also like it and use it on a daily basis, but somehow feel that I am missing the idea of how it is intended to be used.
You said it better than I did.
I don't "get" KDE4. The big thing I missed from KDE3 was a desktop with real folders on it that I could drag and drop to my heart's content. KDE has "folder view" that one can use to display a folder and one can put the icon for a folder on the desktop, but I don't see how that is better than what we had with KDE3.
All I see so far is that KDE4 is different. I don't get how it is better.
The management and control of the desktop area is what I don't understand. Its like we added a layer of complexity (ie using folder view and having to use an icon on the desktop to represent the folder) and I am not following why its better. I don't see anything we couldn't have done in KDE3 if we would have added widgets to it.
Why did they not allow the user to have a traditional desktop that displayed the entire contents of the Desktop folder ?
Thanks
Apparently, the people writing the code came to the conclusion that things were becoming a huge mess, and took the opportunity of moving to Qt4 to rewrite a lot of the stuff they saw as crap.
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:38 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
I don't "get" KDE4. The big thing I missed from KDE3 was a desktop with real folders on it that I could drag and drop to my heart's content. KDE has "folder view" that one can use to display a folder and one can put the icon for a folder on the desktop, but I don't see how that is better than what we had with KDE3.
All I see so far is that KDE4 is different. I don't get how it is better.
The management and control of the desktop area is what I don't understand. Its like we added a layer of complexity (ie using folder view and having to use an icon on the desktop to represent the folder) and I am not following why its better. I don't see anything we couldn't have done in KDE3 if we would have added widgets to it.
Why did they not allow the user to have a traditional desktop that displayed the entire contents of the Desktop folder ?
---- I will do my best to explain but in doing so, I recognize your expectations and know that I have a network of users with similar usage patterns and expectations similar to yours.
The earliest versions of GUI interfaces whether Macintosh, Windows or X-Windows all allowed interaction with files on the desktop. But the desktop itself became a confusing metaphor because the mess of files interferes with most other options.
Most operating systems and applications are now designating where things go...documents get saved in a Documents folder, music files saved in Music folder, movies saved in a Movies folder, pictures, downloads, etc.
Mini-applications that were formally known as desk accessories like calculators and stuff were relegated to applications and thus required more effort to launch.
KDE and it's plasmoids are returning these 'widgets' to a functional space on the desktop and interfere and clutter the desktop workspace. Their thinking is that the desktop workspace be spared of file clutter in favor of space for useful widgets, launchers and of course, application windows.
In reality, there's no reason why you can't use the normal file manager application (i.e. Dolphin or Konqueror) to move files around (even to/from the desktop itself) and in the case of Dolphin with its split views, there actually is a lot more utility using a file manager than a file manager window and accessing files directly on the desktop.
I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy and of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved all of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my expectations, there actually is little difference.
Craig
Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko <at> panet.co.yu> writes:
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes precious space on my 12" notebook screen.
This has been implemented in the upcoming KDE 4.2. We are considering backporting this to the KDE 4.1 packages in Fedora 10 and in an upcoming Fedora 9 update. (I'm proposing it, but the decision has not been made yet.)
Kevin Kofler
Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 <at> gmail.com> writes:
Its like we added a layer of complexity (ie using folder view and having to use an icon on the desktop to represent the folder)
Huh? The whole point of the folder view plasmoid is to represent the contents of the folder directly on the desktop.
Kevin Kofler
Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
Xterm is superseded by Konsole, which is already in the menu under Applications/System.
Konqueror already has an icon under Favourites, but is also under Applications/Internet.
As well, you can simply type Alt-F2 and begin typing kon... and a drop-down window will appear with possibilities. Just click on the one you want to launch.
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:05 -0700, Craig White wrote:
I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy and of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved all of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my expectations, there actually is little difference.
That is exactly what happened to me. Only I had ~50 files and folders on my desktop (across 2 20" 1680x1050 monitors). Using Dolphin instead of just moving things on the desktop itself was a HUGE pain.
Furthermore, when one views files in a file manager like Dolphin, you can't "clump" the files together in groups like you can on the desktop.
With KDE4, one could make an icon for every file/folder you wanted on the Desktop, but that is an extra step too.
I'm hoping that the future KDE4 desktops support traditional drag and drop desktop file/folder management. I think folder view is a useful ADDITION to a traditional desktop. I don't think it supplants it.
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 03:44:50PM -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
I have successfully done this now.
Xterm is superseded by Konsole, which is already in the menu under Applications/System.
Xterm is not listed in any of the menus I have looked at so far. I use it all the time. The reason I needed a button to launch xterm is that I sometimes need to launch additional xterm windows when I am already running a program in the current xterm.
Konqueror already has an icon under Favourites, but is also under Applications/Internet.
Yes.
As well, you can simply type Alt-F2 and begin typing kon... and a drop-down window will appear with possibilities. Just click on the one you want to launch.
Thanks for this tip!
On Saturday 04 October 2008 08:53:01 pm Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 03:44:50PM -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy123@gmail.com wrote:
There is and has been a lot of grumbling about KDE4 from a number of people including myself. On the other hand, some people think its great.
I can't help but wonder if I am missing something on how its supposed to be used. Is there a guide or website that has a little tutorial somewhere ?
Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
I have successfully done this now.
Xterm is superseded by Konsole, which is already in the menu under Applications/System.
Xterm is not listed in any of the menus I have looked at so far. I use it all the time. The reason I needed a button to launch xterm is that I sometimes need to launch additional xterm windows when I am already running a program in the current xterm.
Konqueror already has an icon under Favourites, but is also under Applications/Internet.
Yes.
As well, you can simply type Alt-F2 and begin typing kon... and a drop-down window will appear with possibilities. Just click on the one you want to launch.
Thanks for this tip!
Or you can right click on the desktop where you'll get your choice of either konsole or a simple command line (plus lots of other stuff).
-- cmg
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 18:10 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:05 -0700, Craig White wrote:
I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy and of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved all of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my expectations, there actually is little difference.
That is exactly what happened to me. Only I had ~50 files and folders on my desktop (across 2 20" 1680x1050 monitors). Using Dolphin instead of just moving things on the desktop itself was a HUGE pain.
Furthermore, when one views files in a file manager like Dolphin, you can't "clump" the files together in groups like you can on the desktop.
With KDE4, one could make an icon for every file/folder you wanted on the Desktop, but that is an extra step too.
I'm hoping that the future KDE4 desktops support traditional drag and drop desktop file/folder management. I think folder view is a useful ADDITION to a traditional desktop. I don't think it supplants it.
---- it does appear that an 'upgrade' from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4 (i.e. Fedora 8 to Fedora 9) would put an icon for each file on the desktop but it's rather easy to click them closed and the icons are gone.
As for it being a pain to use a file manager like Dolphin rather than just being able to drag and drop from the desktop...you better get used to that because the Desktop is no longer an active player in file management with KDE. I think that suggesting it was a pain to use a file manager is somewhat absurd. What you are saying is that your expectations are not realized and to that, I am sympathetic but not to the suggestion that it is somehow painful.
Craig
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:02:46PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 18:10 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:05 -0700, Craig White wrote:
I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy and of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved all of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my expectations, there actually is little difference.
That is exactly what happened to me. Only I had ~50 files and folders on my desktop (across 2 20" 1680x1050 monitors). Using Dolphin instead of just moving things on the desktop itself was a HUGE pain.
Furthermore, when one views files in a file manager like Dolphin, you can't "clump" the files together in groups like you can on the desktop.
With KDE4, one could make an icon for every file/folder you wanted on the Desktop, but that is an extra step too.
I'm hoping that the future KDE4 desktops support traditional drag and drop desktop file/folder management. I think folder view is a useful ADDITION to a traditional desktop. I don't think it supplants it.
it does appear that an 'upgrade' from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4 (i.e. Fedora 8 to Fedora 9) would put an icon for each file on the desktop but it's rather easy to click them closed and the icons are gone.
As for it being a pain to use a file manager like Dolphin rather than just being able to drag and drop from the desktop...you better get used to that because the Desktop is no longer an active player in file management with KDE. I think that suggesting it was a pain to use a file manager is somewhat absurd. What you are saying is that your expectations are not realized and to that, I am sympathetic but not to the suggestion that it is somehow painful.
Craig
I have always found ksh a better way than iconic file managers of manipulating files because of the scripting and globbing capabilities of ksh combined with the mv/rm commands.
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 22:30 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 07:02:46PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 18:10 -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:05 -0700, Craig White wrote:
I personally feel that the 'folder view' widget is a waste of energy and of no real value and just resort to using Dolphin and in fact, moved all of the files and folders off my desktop and just keep a couple of 'launchers' there. It is a prettier desktop and once I adjusted my expectations, there actually is little difference.
That is exactly what happened to me. Only I had ~50 files and folders on my desktop (across 2 20" 1680x1050 monitors). Using Dolphin instead of just moving things on the desktop itself was a HUGE pain.
Furthermore, when one views files in a file manager like Dolphin, you can't "clump" the files together in groups like you can on the desktop.
With KDE4, one could make an icon for every file/folder you wanted on the Desktop, but that is an extra step too.
I'm hoping that the future KDE4 desktops support traditional drag and drop desktop file/folder management. I think folder view is a useful ADDITION to a traditional desktop. I don't think it supplants it.
it does appear that an 'upgrade' from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4 (i.e. Fedora 8 to Fedora 9) would put an icon for each file on the desktop but it's rather easy to click them closed and the icons are gone.
As for it being a pain to use a file manager like Dolphin rather than just being able to drag and drop from the desktop...you better get used to that because the Desktop is no longer an active player in file management with KDE. I think that suggesting it was a pain to use a file manager is somewhat absurd. What you are saying is that your expectations are not realized and to that, I am sympathetic but not to the suggestion that it is somehow painful.
Craig
I have always found ksh a better way than iconic file managers of manipulating files because of the scripting and globbing capabilities of ksh combined with the mv/rm commands.
---- but that isn't the point of what we are discussing.
We are discussing a basic expectation of the GUI and file management thus file operations in a non-gui environment really don't pertain to the discussion at hand.
Craig
2008/10/5 Mike mike.cloaked@gmail.com:
Arthur Pemberton <pemboa <at> gmail.com> writes:
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
If you plug in a USBkey will an icon pop up on the desktop in KDE4?
It won't but that doesn't prevent anyone from using USB storage devices.
Dolphin shows the stick in the left panel and the new device notifier in the panel will also offer you a shortcut to the device.
On Saturday 04 October 2008 23:05, Craig White wrote:
Mini-applications that were formally known as desk accessories like calculators and stuff were relegated to applications and thus required more effort to launch.
KDE and it's plasmoids are returning these 'widgets' to a functional space on the desktop and interfere and clutter the desktop workspace. Their thinking is that the desktop workspace be spared of file clutter in favor of space for useful widgets, launchers and of course, application windows.
This is an interesting point. If I understood correctly, the intended usage of the desktop is to put widgets/plasmoids around to have easy access to, say, calculator, battery status, clock, weather report, and such stuff, in addition to the panels and app launchers. Hmm... now I also understand why would one wish to rotate/zoom any given widget --- to organize all the widgets to suit ones needs and geometry of the screen, it seems.
This reminds me of WindowMaker, where there are no icons on the desktop, but the dock and stuff, with appropriate controls. To be honest, I agree that files actually should not be kept on the desktop, but rather in home directory. If one has more than 100 or so files, the clutter on the desktop becomes too big.
I would like to read more on philosophy of usage of KDE4 as compared to KDE3, but so far noone has given any pointers to this topic (at least in this thread)...
Best, :-) Marko
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Mike mike.cloaked@gmail.com wrote:
Arthur Pemberton <pemboa <at> gmail.com> writes:
What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do?
If you plug in a USBkey will an icon pop up on the desktop in KDE4?
It pops up on the device manager in the lower right corner.
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 08:26:35PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Dave Feustel <dfeustel <at> mindspring.com> writes:
Put icons for launching xterm and konqueror on the upper or lower panel.
Simply drag and drop the menu entry from the Kickoff or classic menu to the panel.
And how do you control their location within the panel? Mine seem to pick where the want to be and you have to just accept it.
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 04:38:13PM -0400, Linuxguy123 wrote:
I don't "get" KDE4. The big thing I missed from KDE3 was a desktop with real folders on it that I could drag and drop to my heart's content. KDE has "folder view" that one can use to display a folder and one can put the icon for a folder on the desktop, but I don't see how that is better than what we had with KDE3.
No kidding...if anything, "folder view" is kinda like a wart -- it doesn't really fit with the rest of the desktop.
All I see so far is that KDE4 is different. I don't get how it is better.
Well, at least you can make your plasma widget spin around, even mounting your clock at an angle! How this is useful, I cannot fathom...but you can do it!
John
Around 04:07pm on Monday, October 06, 2008 (UK time), John W. Linville scrawled:
And how do you control their location within the panel? Mine seem to pick where the want to be and you have to just accept it.
Left click on the "teardrop" at the extreme right of the panel. Move the cursor over the icon you want to move. Drag to the new position.
Steve
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:19:21PM +0100, Steve Searle wrote:
Around 04:07pm on Monday, October 06, 2008 (UK time), John W. Linville scrawled:
And how do you control their location within the panel? Mine seem to pick where the want to be and you have to just accept it.
Left click on the "teardrop" at the extreme right of the panel. Move the cursor over the icon you want to move. Drag to the new position.
That does work, thanks!
Of course, I give the usability people a wet noodle for that one... :-)
John
On Mon October 6 2008 3:42:36 pm John W. Linville wrote:
That does work, thanks!
Of course, I give the usability people a wet noodle for that one... :-)
along with the vertical resizing method --- *click on teardrop *after second horizontal bar appears, hover over the upper one in the middle till your cursor turns into a double-arrow *drag the upper bar up or down and the panel will adjust itself to the space between the bottom of the upper bar and the bottom of the screen
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 16:07 -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
*click on teardrop *after second horizontal bar appears, hover over the upper one in the middle till your cursor turns into a double-arrow *drag the upper bar up or down and the panel will adjust itself to the space between the bottom of the upper bar and the bottom of the screen
This sounds awfully like the "moving your hats up and down the pegs" classroom scene from Monty Python's The Meaning of Life...
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 11:38:56PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko <at> panet.co.yu> writes:
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes precious space on my 12" notebook screen.
This has been implemented in the upcoming KDE 4.2. We are considering backporting this to the KDE 4.1 packages in Fedora 10 and in an upcoming Fedora 9 update. (I'm proposing it, but the decision has not been made yet.)
Did this get backported into Fedora 9?
If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
I thought I saw a recent email about this but I can't find it, and I don't see a way to auto-hide the panel.
-- Patrick Mansfield
--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Patrick Mansfield patman@aracnet.com wrote:
From: Patrick Mansfield patman@aracnet.com Subject: KDE4 auto-hiding of panel To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:26 PM On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 11:38:56PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko <at> panet.co.yu>
writes:
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes
precious space on my 12" notebook
screen.
This has been implemented in the upcoming KDE 4.2. We
are considering
backporting this to the KDE 4.1 packages in Fedora 10
and in an upcoming Fedora
9 update. (I'm proposing it, but the decision has
not been made yet.)
Did this get backported into Fedora 9?
If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
I thought I saw a recent email about this but I can't find it, and I don't see a way to auto-hide the panel.
-- Patrick Mansfield
I am also waiting for autohide
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--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Patrick Mansfield patman@aracnet.com wrote:
From: Patrick Mansfield patman@aracnet.com Subject: KDE4 auto-hiding of panel To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:26 PM On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 11:38:56PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko <at> panet.co.yu>
writes:
How about auto-hiding the panel? It takes
precious space on my 12" notebook
screen.
This has been implemented in the upcoming KDE 4.2. We
are considering
backporting this to the KDE 4.1 packages in Fedora 10
and in an upcoming Fedora
9 update. (I'm proposing it, but the decision has
not been made yet.)
Did this get backported into Fedora 9?
If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
I thought I saw a recent email about this but I can't find it, and I don't see a way to auto-hide the panel.
-- Patrick Mansfield
In addition to autohide, I'd like to see (see Gnome NOW) automount of flash drives and CD/DVD with an icon on the desktop.
This feature existed in previous Fedoras
Once I used fstab to mount but all that has gotten complex.
I am not into unnecessary complexity even though I see it is a hobby for many!
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Patrick Mansfield wrote:
Did this get backported into Fedora 9? If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-9028
-- Rex
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:54 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick Mansfield wrote:
Did this get backported into Fedora 9? If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
Okay, maybe I'm being a bit dumb here, but that link goes to a web page which says:
1. Click on the palette ("cashew") icon for the panel to bring up the panel controller. 2. Choose "More Settings".
What 'palette icon'? Where is that? I can find nothing which says 'more settings'.
John.
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:19 +0100, John Horne wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:54 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick Mansfield wrote:
Did this get backported into Fedora 9? If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
Okay, maybe I'm being a bit dumb here, but that link goes to a web page which says:
- Click on the palette ("cashew") icon for the panel to bring up the panel controller.
- Choose "More Settings".
What 'palette icon'? Where is that? I can find nothing which says 'more settings'.
Okay, forget that. Wrong version of kdebase-workspace. Sorry.
John.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:21:50PM +0100, John Horne wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:19 +0100, John Horne wrote:
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 12:54 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
Patrick Mansfield wrote:
Did this get backported into Fedora 9? If so, how do you auto-hide the panel?
Okay, maybe I'm being a bit dumb here, but that link goes to a web page which says:
- Click on the palette ("cashew") icon for the panel to bring up the panel controller.
- Choose "More Settings".
What 'palette icon'? Where is that? I can find nothing which says 'more settings'.
Okay, forget that. Wrong version of kdebase-workspace. Sorry.
I did something similar, found the palette (at the far end, AFAICT it's the same as right clicking the panel and selecting settings), didn't find the "more settings", then compared kdebase-workspace versioning.
So, it should show up in a future Fedora 9 update of kdebase-workspace.
-- Patrick Mansfield
Patrick Mansfield <patman <at> aracnet.com> writes:
Did this get backported into Fedora 9?
Yes, it's currently in updates-testing-newkey.
su -c "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing-newkey update kdebase-workspace"
Then follow the instructions in the update notes: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-9028
Kevin Kofler
Patrick Mansfield <patman <at> aracnet.com> writes:
So, it should show up in a future Fedora 9 update of kdebase-workspace.
Yes, the very update Rex linked to! https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-9028
It's currently in updates-testing-newkey, so you can get it now from: su -c "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing-newkey update kdebase-workspace"
Please report any issues you find with the update (to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ - please DO NOT bother upstream bugs.kde.org with bugs related to this backport). Positive feedback (even just "works fine for me") is also welcome! (The comments on the update request are the best place for such positive feedback.) The more feedback we get, the sooner we will be able to promote the update to the stable updates.
Kevin Kofler
--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
From: Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at Subject: Re: KDE4 auto-hiding of panel To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:51 AM Patrick Mansfield <patman <at> aracnet.com> writes:
So, it should show up in a future Fedora 9 update of
kdebase-workspace.
Yes, the very update Rex linked to! https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-9028
It's currently in updates-testing-newkey, so you can get it now from: su -c "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing-newkey update kdebase-workspace"
Please report any issues you find with the update (to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ - please DO NOT bother upstream bugs.kde.org with bugs related to this backport). Positive feedback (even just "works fine for me") is also welcome! (The comments on the update request are the best place for such positive feedback.) The more feedback we get, the sooner we will be able to promote the update to the stable updates.
Kevin Kofler
There were issues in the last "auto hiding" KDE
If one specified a delay of less than 1 second or even zero, the panel would stay hidden no matter what one did with the mouse.
Solution was to log out/in and catch the panel when it initially appeared
to increase the delay.
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--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
From: Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu Subject: Re: KDE4 auto-hiding of panel To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:19 PM Fred Silsbee wrote:
There were issues in the last "auto hiding"
KDE
the last? Meaning what? kde3?
-- Rex
Under F8 KDE 3, I had problems with auto hide
If I specified 2 seconds or less delay time, often the panel would stay in the hidden state no matter what I did with the mouse.
The only way I could fix the problem was to log out/log in and snatch the panel while the login was in progress so I could increase the delay.
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