I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
On Friday 03 April 2009 12:22:44 Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Tim, you get the icon if you hover over the device name in dolphin. That way, if you have more than one usb device mounted it is quite clear which one you are going to unmount.
Hover over it and on the right you'll see an up-arrow icon for unmounting. If it is not currently mounted, but it's still plugged in you'll see the device- name but the icon will not appear.
Anne
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 14:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009 12:22:44 Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Tim, you get the icon if you hover over the device name in dolphin. That way, if you have more than one usb device mounted it is quite clear which one you are going to unmount.
Hover over it and on the right you'll see an up-arrow icon for unmounting. If it is not currently mounted, but it's still plugged in you'll see the device- name but the icon will not appear.
You can also hover over "Computer" in the Kicker menu (or whatever it's called now) and right-click on the "Removable Storage" icon. This works even without Dolphin.
poc
On Friday 03 April 2009 20:09:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 14:25 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009 12:22:44 Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Methinks I had a brain-fart when I wrote this, so corrections coming up.
Tim, you get the icon if you hover over the device name in dolphin. That way, if you have more than one usb device mounted it is quite clear which one you are going to unmount.
This described the action in the Notifier Widget. In dolphin you need the Places panel open (You do know you can add places as bookmarks, there, don't you?). Right-click on the device name should give you Safely Remove.
Hover over it and on the right you'll see an up-arrow icon for unmounting. If it is not currently mounted, but it's still plugged in you'll see the device- name but the icon will not appear.
This is also the Notifier Widget.
You can also hover over "Computer" in the Kicker menu (or whatever it's called now) and right-click on the "Removable Storage" icon. This works even without Dolphin.
I hadn't noticed that one, as I rarely use kickoff apart from shutting down.
Anne
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
You can also hover over "Computer" in the Kicker menu (or whatever it's called now) and right-click on the "Removable Storage" icon. This works even without Dolphin.
This doesn't seem to work for me. If I go to f=>Applications->System=>Removable Media Utility [KwikDisk] (which seems the only application with the word "removable" in it) hovering over the 3-sphere icon does not seem to have any effect.
Left clicking on the icon, and choosing "StartKdiskFree" opens a window with various devices, including the USB stick, on it. On clicking on the USB stick I am offered the option to "Unmount Device".
The only way to Safely Remove the stick as far as I can see is to right-click on the name in the Dolphin window, which can be opened either from the Device Notifier icon or from the kicker menu (f=>Applications=>System=>File Manager).
Your other suggestion, "eject /dev/sdb1", does indeed turn off the USB stick. Thank you. (The only way I could see to find that it is on /dev/sdb1 was to say "mount".)
On Saturday 04 April 2009 13:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Left clicking on the icon, and choosing "StartKdiskFree" opens a window with various devices, including the USB stick, on it. On clicking on the USB stick I am offered the option to "Unmount Device".
The only way to Safely Remove the stick as far as I can see is to right-click on the name in the Dolphin window,
Of course, you are aware that "safely removing" is equivalent to unmounting, right?
Best, :-) Marko
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Of course, you are aware that "safely removing" is equivalent to
unmounting,
right?
I realise that that is the case under Fedora. I don't think it should be the case; I think "safely remove" should mean "umount" and "eject".
On Saturday 04 April 2009 12:30:28 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
You can also hover over "Computer" in the Kicker menu (or whatever it's called now) and right-click on the "Removable Storage" icon. This works even without Dolphin.
This doesn't seem to work for me. If I go to f=>Applications->System=>Removable Media Utility [KwikDisk] (which seems the only application with the word "removable" in it) hovering over the 3-sphere icon does not seem to have any effect.
Left clicking on the icon, and choosing "StartKdiskFree" opens a window with various devices, including the USB stick, on it. On clicking on the USB stick I am offered the option to "Unmount Device".
As far as I know, KwikDisk and StartKdiskFree are both KDE3 utilities. While many KDE3 applications run well on KDE4, the utilities generally don't. At least, that's my belief.
The only way to Safely Remove the stick as far as I can see is to right-click on the name in the Dolphin window, which can be opened either from the Device Notifier icon or from the kicker menu (f=>Applications=>System=>File Manager).
Your other suggestion, "eject /dev/sdb1", does indeed turn off the USB stick. Thank you. (The only way I could see to find that it is on /dev/sdb1 was to say "mount".)
(or df :-) which is what I usually use. )
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Tim, you get the icon if you hover over the device name in dolphin. That
way,
if you have more than one usb device mounted it is quite clear which one
you
are going to unmount.
Hover over it and on the right you'll see an up-arrow icon for unmounting.
If
it is not currently mounted, but it's still plugged in you'll see the
device-
name but the icon will not appear.
Thanks very much.
I don't actually see the option if I hover over the name of the USB stick in the Dolphin window; but I do if I right-click on the name.
It's a little disappointing that the light does not go out on my USB stick, as it does in Windows when I click on Safely Remove.
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 20:59 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
It's a little disappointing that the light does not go out on my USB stick, as it does in Windows when I click on Safely Remove.
If this worries you, try running "eject /dev/sdc1" (or whatever the stick is mounted as) from a Shell. "eject /media/<disk name>" might also work. AFAIK that should call the actual driver to disconnect the stick, but YMMV of course.
poc
Timothy Murphy wrote:
It's a little disappointing that the light does not go out on my USB stick, as it does in Windows when I click on Safely Remove.
Some USB devices expect to be "ejected" for some reason. KDE does not do that, as it doesn't make sense to "eject" a USB device (at least not until USB ports start shooting the sticks at you ;-) ). But it probably should, given the devices which expect to be sent an "eject" event. (At least some versions of the iPod are reported to actually complain if you unplug them without "ejecting" them first.)
Kevin Kofler
On Friday 03 April 2009 07:22, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
-- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
Does your device have a desktop icon? Right-click that icon and there should be a "safely remove" option on that menu
Terry Polzin wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009 07:22, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Does your device have a desktop icon? Right-click that icon and there
should
be a "safely remove" option on that menu
I don't see any icon on my desktop. There is an icon in my panel; it is a small blue screen with the USB symbol on it, and what looks like a white stand behind it. When I hover over it, it says "Last plugged in device: ATV" (That is apparently the name of my USB stick.)
If I left-click on the icon a small window appears with ATV beside a small USB icon. When I hover over the icon it says "2 actions for this device".
When I (left or right) click on these words, a larger window appears, which says "A new device has appeared. What do you want to do?", the options being: "Open with Dolphin", "Download Photos with digiKam", and "Do nothing".
If I click on the first option Dolphin shows me the contents of my stick.
Now I see that ATV is listed among the devices on the left; and if I right-click on ATV I am indeed given the option, "Safely remove 'ATV'".
When I click on this the contents of my stick disappear.
However, the light on my stick remains on. IIRC, under Windows when I click on "Safely Remove" and choose the USB stick to remove, the light on the stick goes off, which I find reassuring.
On Friday 03 April 2009 20:52:20 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Terry Polzin wrote:
On Friday 03 April 2009 07:22, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
I was told that there was such an option, but I don't seem able to find it. I certainly don't have a "Safely Remove" icon in my panel, as in the unmentionable system.
Does your device have a desktop icon? Right-click that icon and there
should
be a "safely remove" option on that menu
I don't see any icon on my desktop.
That's KDE3 only
There is an icon in my panel; it is a small blue screen with the USB symbol on it, and what looks like a white stand behind it.
That's the Device Notifier
When I hover over it, it says "Last plugged in device: ATV" (That is apparently the name of my USB stick.)
If I left-click on the icon a small window appears with ATV beside a small USB icon. When I hover over the icon it says "2 actions for this device".
When I (left or right) click on these words, a larger window appears, which says "A new device has appeared. What do you want to do?", the options being: "Open with Dolphin", "Download Photos with digiKam", and "Do nothing".
If I click on the first option Dolphin shows me the contents of my stick.
Now I see that ATV is listed among the devices on the left; and if I right-click on ATV I am indeed given the option, "Safely remove 'ATV'".
When I click on this the contents of my stick disappear.
You can unmount it either from the dolphin Places panel or from the Device Notifier. PoC says you can also umount it from kickoff.
However, the light on my stick remains on. IIRC, under Windows when I click on "Safely Remove" and choose the USB stick to remove, the light on the stick goes off, which I find reassuring.
That seems to work on some sticks but not others. Take the usual 2-3 second delay and you should be fine - especially if you have seen dolphin blank out the screen.
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
You can unmount it either from the dolphin Places panel or from the Device Notifier. PoC says you can also umount it from kickoff.
I don't seem able to unmount it from the Device Notifier. (Nor from the f-menu.) I have to go to the Dolphin window.
However, the light on my stick remains on. IIRC, under Windows when I click on "Safely Remove" and choose the USB stick to remove, the light on the stick goes off, which I find reassuring.
That seems to work on some sticks but not others. Take the usual 2-3
second
delay and you should be fine - especially if you have seen dolphin blank
out
the screen.
Still, it would be nice to be offered the choice to "eject" the device, which I found does indeed turn it off.
On Saturday 04 April 2009 12:46:12 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
You can unmount it either from the dolphin Places panel or from the Device Notifier. PoC says you can also umount it from kickoff.
I don't seem able to unmount it from the Device Notifier. (Nor from the f-menu.) I have to go to the Dolphin window.
When you hover over the device name in Device Notifier you should see something like an up-arrow inside a circle. Clicking on that should umount it, and if it is displayed in dolphin you should see everything disappear.
Anne
Anne Wilson wrote:
When you hover over the device name in Device Notifier you should see something like an up-arrow inside a circle. Clicking on that should
umount
it, and if it is displayed in dolphin you should see everything disappear.
Thank you, I see that clicking on this circular icon does indeed umount the USB stick. I assumed it did nothing, since the only visible effect was that the circle disappeared.
It would be nice if I was told, "You may safely remove your device", as Bill tells me.
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 17:01 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Saturday 04 April 2009 12:46:12 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
I asked some time ago why there is no Safely Remove option in Dolphin on my Fedora-10/KDE system, which I can click on before removing a USB stick.
You can unmount it either from the dolphin Places panel or from the Device Notifier. PoC says you can also umount it from kickoff.
I don't seem able to unmount it from the Device Notifier. (Nor from the f-menu.) I have to go to the Dolphin window.
When you hover over the device name in Device Notifier you should see something like an up-arrow inside a circle. Clicking on that should umount it, and if it is displayed in dolphin you should see everything disappear.
In fact it unmounts but doesn't disappear. IMHO this is seriously confusing to the average user. I posted about this (and a couple of other things) sometime yesterday but I haven't seen any feedback so far.
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
In fact it unmounts but doesn't disappear. IMHO this is seriously confusing to the average user. I posted about this (and a couple of other things) sometime yesterday but I haven't seen any feedback so far.
It doesn't disappear because you can re-mount it. This is a feature. I hate operating systems which force me to unplug and replug the device if I want to mount it again for some reason.
Kevin Kofler
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 00:17 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
In fact it unmounts but doesn't disappear. IMHO this is seriously confusing to the average user. I posted about this (and a couple of other things) sometime yesterday but I haven't seen any feedback so far.
It doesn't disappear because you can re-mount it. This is a feature. I hate operating systems which force me to unplug and replug the device if I want to mount it again for some reason.
That's an interesting argument, which (at least here) fails for the following reasons:
1) As far as I can see, you can't remount the drive from the empty window. You have to click on the notifier and select the mount option. This then opens a *second* window. The first window adds no funcionality whatever.
2) There's almost no visual distinction between an empty pendrive and an unmounted one, though these two states are radically different. Note that I don't claim there is no distinction at all, but it's not obvious to the new user of Dolphin.
3) The presence of the window invites the user to drag and drop files onto it, which simply produces an error message.
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
- As far as I can see, you can't remount the drive from the empty
window. You have to click on the notifier and select the mount option. This then opens a *second* window. The first window adds no funcionality whatever.
Try reloading it (press F5).
Kevin Kofler
On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:30:11 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
- As far as I can see, you can't remount the drive from the empty
window. You have to click on the notifier and select the mount option. This then opens a *second* window. The first window adds no funcionality whatever.
Try reloading it (press F5).
I'm inclined to agree that it should not open another instance of dolphin when one is already open. Maybe it's time for a bug report, Patrick?
Anne
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 20:29 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Sunday 05 April 2009 19:30:11 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
- As far as I can see, you can't remount the drive from the empty
window. You have to click on the notifier and select the mount option. This then opens a *second* window. The first window adds no funcionality whatever.
Try reloading it (press F5).
I'm inclined to agree that it should not open another instance of dolphin when one is already open. Maybe it's time for a bug report, Patrick?
Two for the time being:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188937 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188938
poc
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 20:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
- As far as I can see, you can't remount the drive from the empty
window. You have to click on the notifier and select the mount option. This then opens a *second* window. The first window adds no funcionality whatever.
Try reloading it (press F5).
What's your point? F5 causes a status message to appear for a few seconds, after which it vanishes again. It makes no difference at all to the remount behaviour.
BTW, why does it take F5 to get the message? Has Dolphin forgotten that I just unmounted the drive so it has to be told to check again? Is there some reason it can't keep the status visible to reduce the chance of user error?
And another thing: using the notifier to mount the drive requires four mouse clicks (click notifier, click drive id, click to select app, click OK). Using the Kickoff menu requires two clicks and a hover (click Kickoff, hover to Computer, click drive id).
poc
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 04:10 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
What's your point? F5 causes a status message to appear for a few seconds, after which it vanishes again. It makes no difference at all to the remount behaviour.
The point is to press F5 after you remounted the drive.
This makes sense if you remount using the Places menu from the existing window (rather stretching the meaning of "sense" since there's no reason it couldn't just refresh on its own). If you do it from the Notifier or from the Kickoff menu you get a new window, i.e. the visual end result of mounting the drive depends on how you do it. This is to my mind a bug, and the way to remove it is by a) closing the window when the drive is unmounted or b) re-opening the existing window when remounting, independantly of how this is done. (In this case the window should also refresh on its own, see above.) I would expect the easiest solution to implement would be (a) though I know you've said you don't like it. I also removes the ambiguity about whether or not a Dolphin window actually represents anything, which I think would be less confusing to the user.
OT: Here's some more "interesting" behaviour. I have the Places menu detached from the main window (no particular reason, I was just playing with it once and left it that way). Now if the Places menu is not contiguous with the Dolphin window, moving the mouse cursor to the Places menu causes the latter to hide behind any other random window it happens to be on top of, making it impossible to click on without moving stuff out of the way. I can't decide if this is a bug or a feature. I have "focus follows mouse" if it matters.
poc
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