The upgrade is complete..

[WipeOut]

I have been putting off upgrading my RH9 desktop for a while now, but 
yesterday I climbed into it..

Copied my entire home directory and other data to another PC then did a 
fresh install.. The in just copied back my .mozilla and .gaim 
direcrities into my new how directory and everything was there, all my 
bookmarks, mailinglist rules.. everything.. It was the most painless 
upgrade of a desktop I have ever done.. then just copied back all my data..

I updated the system using yum and my local mirror site, and then added 
the updated gmone-panel to get the drawres working..

Finally I added the latest JRE and Flash plugins to mozilla..

I am sure there will be a few apps that I am going to have to reinstall 
but all in all it was a piece of cake..

I recommend anyone who is still hanging back on installing FC1 to go for 
it..

Later..

[Michael Ben-Gershon]

WipeOut wrote:
>  I have been putting off upgrading my RH9 desktop for a while now, but
>
>  yesterday I climbed into it..
>  
>  Copied my entire home directory and other data to another PC then did a 
>  fresh install.. The in just copied back my .mozilla and .gaim 
>  direcrities into my new how directory and everything was there, all my 
>  bookmarks, mailinglist rules.. everything.. It was the most painless 
>  upgrade of a desktop I have ever done.. then just copied back all my data..
>  
>  I updated the system using yum and my local mirror site, and then added 
>  the updated gmone-panel to get the drawres working..
>  
>  Finally I added the latest JRE and Flash plugins to mozilla..
>  
>  I am sure there will be a few apps that I am going to have to reinstall 
>  but all in all it was a piece of cake..
>  
>  I recommend anyone who is still hanging back on installing FC1 to go for 
>  it.. 
Well, my upgrade was far more painful. I have been running a RH7.2 system
for a long time now, and it has had all kinds of upgrades added over
time, making it very non-standard. I initially tried upgrading, which
left my system in a complete mess! I restored the whole system and
did a clean install. I then gradually moved over my old stuff. I found that
my quite acceptable P4-1500 with 512M and an old Radeon graphics card was
just not up to the new desktop environment (which I find very pleasant to
use) so I had to do a major hardwarre upgrade as well. This has gone
pretty smoothly, although my rather ancient Buslogic SCSI card does not
seem to behave well on the new motherboard, so I am ditching it as well
in favour of more modern equipment.

I have now got almost everything working pretty well, including moving
over my old apache installation to the new version.

I can now say that I am very happy indeed with Fedora Core 1, despite all
the trouble I had initially. I guess that if I had upgraded the system a
bit more often I would have been saved much of the misery I had this time.
Hopefully the new up2date utility will make this quite easy and painless!

Michael Ben-Gershon
mybg(a)netvision.net.il

[William Hooper]

Michael Ben-Gershon said:
>  I found
>  that
>  my quite acceptable P4-1500 with 512M and an old Radeon graphics card was
>  just not up to the new desktop environment (which I find very pleasant to
>  use) so I had to do a major hardwarre upgrade as well. 
???

I find Fedora very acceptable on my P3-650 with 256MB and the built in
Rage Mobility on my laptop.

-- 
William Hooper

[Jeff Ratliff]

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3(a)earthlink.net&gt;
To: <fedora-list(a)redhat.com&gt;
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: The upgrade is complete..


>  Michael Ben-Gershon said:
>  > my quite acceptable P4-1500 with 512M and an old Radeon graphics card 
was
>  > just not up to the new desktop environment (which I find very
> pleasant 
to
>  ???
>
>  I find Fedora very acceptable on my P3-650 with 256MB and the built in
>  Rage Mobility on my laptop.
>
>  --
>  William Hooper
>  
My Linux only box is an AMD K6-3 400Mhz with 64 megs of memory. It's a bit
slow running X, but not unbearably so. It's a much more capable machine than
it would be on Win98.

  Later,
    Jeff

[Bruce W. Bigby]

On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 05:14, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote:
>  I then gradually moved over my old stuff. I found that
>  my quite acceptable P4-1500 with 512M and an old Radeon graphics card was
>  just not up to the new desktop environment (which I find very pleasant to
>  use) so I had to do a major hardwarre upgrade as well. 
Michael, perhaps you only needed to upgrade your video card -- NOT your
whole system!!!  My wife's system is a Pentium III x 1 Ghz.  Although I
recently upgraded her memory from 256 MB to 640 MB, 256 MB was fine for
what she did with it.  I just wanted her to be able to open OpenOffice
on her machine and keep it open without inducing swapping when she
performed other tasks. Everything seemed to speed up quite a bit after I
increased her memory.

At one point, after doing a clean install of her system to RedHat 9, the
video was so damn slow.  After a while, I realized that previously, I
had been running her system in 16-bit graphics mode and I used 32-bit
graphics mode during the install of RH 9.  Two years had past since I
had updated her system, which used to be my system, so I had forgotten
that the ATI All-In-Wonder Pro 3D (PCI) card with 8 MB of RAM just
couldn't run in 32-bit graphics mode very well.  I reduced the color
depth to 16 bits and the video performance became very good again.  In
32-bits, video was a dog.  It didn't matter that my processor was very
fast.

At some point, I want to replace the old All-In-Wonder with an NVidia
and a Hauppauge Tv card and install MythTv, which looks very very
slick.  For now, my wife is happy with her setup so I'm in no rush to
rock the boat.
-- 
Bruce W. Bigby, http://home.rochester.rr.com/bigbyofrocny
Don't be fooled by sale pitches.  The only money that you save is
money that you keep.  Anything less is a deception.
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[Michael Ben-Gershon]

Bruce W. Bigby wrote:
>  On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 05:14, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote:
>  
> >I then gradually moved over my old stuff. I found that
> >my quite acceptable P4-1500 with 512M and an old Radeon graphics card was
> >just not up to the new desktop environment (which I find very pleasant to
> >use) so I had to do a major hardwarre upgrade as well.
>  
>  
>  Michael, perhaps you only needed to upgrade your video card -- NOT your
>  whole system!!! 
I suppose that is a possibility. However, it's too late now as
the u/g has been done and works well! The new stuff certainly goes
fast ...

Michael Ben-Gershon
mybg(a)netvision.net.il

[Bevan C. Bennett]

Bruce W. Bigby wrote:
>  Michael, perhaps you only needed to upgrade your video card -- NOT
> your
>  whole system!!!  
>  
I'd concur on this issue. Of the score or so systems I've upgraded to 
FC1 by now, the biggest difference in perceived speed has come from the 
video card (of course all my systems already have plenty of DRAM). 
Installing the NVIDIA drivers for nvidia cards also makes a significant 
difference.

[Michael Ben-Gershon]

I forgot two important items: Gnome and CUPS.

Having been a devotee of command line only linux with fv2wm being my only
graphical interface, I was a bit apprehensive about going over to Gnome in
Fedora. I am glad I persisted, as I am really getting to like it! I just
need to read a bit more about programming it as I have a few utils I would
like to write for it!

CUPS has also been a great upgrade. I had an immensly complex /etc/printcap
file with all kinds of 'virtual' printers which routed output through a number
of different filters. All this has been condensed into CUPS in a totally
transparent manner, and the elegance of it all has me amazed.

Thanks a lot to all those involved!

Michael Ben-Gershon
mybg(a)netvision.net.il