Fedora and gnome panel

[David Miller]

I recently upgraded from RedHat 9 to Fedora.

In RedHat 9 I had created drawers on the panel and dropped apps in the 
drawers.  Worked well for me.

When I installed Fedora all the drawers were there and there was an icon 
in the drawer for each app but each of these was another drawer now.

I went through and deleated all the drawers and started over. and added 
all the drawers to the panel and  placed then placed my apps in the 
draweres.  They seems to work great.  Later I logged out, when I logged 
back in all the apps changed back to drawers again.

Frustrated, I thought there must be something that wasn't compatable 
between the config files of the old and new.  I deleted all directories 
starting with .gnome and all others that I thought was related to gnome 
config.  When I logged in the desktop changed from the Redhat desktop 
that I had been using to a different background and had all the default 
icons on the panel. 
Now I have a clean start.  I put one drawer on the panel.  Added a 
couple of apps to the drawer.  They work fine.  Logout then login and 
the icons are now drawers.

The other problem I have is that I have always had focus change to the 
window the cursor is on and it would raise if I clicked in the window.  
I am still able to change focus when the cursor is placed in a window 
but it seams that I have to click on the title bar to raise the window.  
Is there a way to get my old behaivor.

David Miller

[WipeOut]

David Miller wrote:
> I recently upgraded from RedHat 9 to Fedora.
>
> In RedHat 9 I had created drawers on the panel and dropped apps in the 
> drawers.  Worked well for me.
>
> When I installed Fedora all the drawers were there and there was an 
> icon in the drawer for each app but each of these was another drawer now.
>
> I went through and deleated all the drawers and started over. and 
> added all the drawers to the panel and  placed then placed my apps in 
> the draweres.  They seems to work great.  Later I logged out, when I 
> logged back in all the apps changed back to drawers again.
>
> Frustrated, I thought there must be something that wasn't compatable 
> between the config files of the old and new.  I deleted all 
> directories starting with .gnome and all others that I thought was 
> related to gnome config.  When I logged in the desktop changed from 
> the Redhat desktop that I had been using to a different background and 
> had all the default icons on the panel. Now I have a clean start.  I 
> put one drawer on the panel.  Added a couple of apps to the drawer.  
> They work fine.  Logout then login and the icons are now drawers.
>
> The other problem I have is that I have always had focus change to the 
> window the cursor is on and it would raise if I clicked in the 
> window.  I am still able to change focus when the cursor is placed in 
> a window but it seams that I have to click on the title bar to raise 
> the window.  Is there a way to get my old behaivor.
>
> David Miller

To sort out the drawer issue install this updated version of Gnome-Panel

ftp://czarc.net/pub/gnome-panel-2.4.1-0.gc1.i386.rpm

Later..

[-=Brian Truter=-]

I have been searching for a tool to modify the Main Menu, or other menus in
Gnome2. There is none that I can find. Editing the files by hand is tedious
at best.

Editing the menus thru the Preferences just doesnt work right

Adding them as drawers, I have had the same problems as you.

Someone has to have a better way

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Subject: Fedora and gnome panel

I recently upgraded from RedHat 9 to Fedora.

In RedHat 9 I had created drawers on the panel and dropped apps in the
drawers.  Worked well for me.

When I installed Fedora all the drawers were there and there was an icon
in the drawer for each app but each of these was another drawer now.

I went through and deleated all the drawers and started over. and added
all the drawers to the panel and  placed then placed my apps in the
draweres.  They seems to work great.  Later I logged out, when I logged
back in all the apps changed back to drawers again.

Frustrated, I thought there must be something that wasn't compatable
between the config files of the old and new.  I deleted all directories
starting with .gnome and all others that I thought was related to gnome
config.  When I logged in the desktop changed from the Redhat desktop
that I had been using to a different background and had all the default
icons on the panel.
Now I have a clean start.  I put one drawer on the panel.  Added a
couple of apps to the drawer.  They work fine.  Logout then login and
the icons are now drawers.

The other problem I have is that I have always had focus change to the
window the cursor is on and it would raise if I clicked in the window.
I am still able to change focus when the cursor is placed in a window
but it seams that I have to click on the title bar to raise the window.
Is there a way to get my old behaivor.

David Miller

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[Marc Schwartz]

On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 15:32, David Miller wrote:
> I recently upgraded from RedHat 9 to Fedora.
>
> In RedHat 9 I had created drawers on the panel and dropped apps in the 
> drawers.  Worked well for me.
>
> When I installed Fedora all the drawers were there and there was an icon 
> in the drawer for each app but each of these was another drawer now.
>
> I went through and deleated all the drawers and started over. and added 
> all the drawers to the panel and  placed then placed my apps in the 
> draweres.  They seems to work great.  Later I logged out, when I logged 
> back in all the apps changed back to drawers again.
>
> Frustrated, I thought there must be something that wasn't compatable 
> between the config files of the old and new.  I deleted all directories 
> starting with .gnome and all others that I thought was related to gnome 
> config.  When I logged in the desktop changed from the Redhat desktop 
> that I had been using to a different background and had all the default 
> icons on the panel. 
> Now I have a clean start.  I put one drawer on the panel.  Added a 
> couple of apps to the drawer.  They work fine.  Logout then login and 
> the icons are now drawers.
>
> The other problem I have is that I have always had focus change to the 
> window the cursor is on and it would raise if I clicked in the window.  
> I am still able to change focus when the cursor is placed in a window 
> but it seams that I have to click on the title bar to raise the window.  
> Is there a way to get my old behaivor.
>
> David Miller

Both are known problems.

The first for sure is in Bugzilla already, though I have not seen any
updates as to a fix. I have not reviewed the Bugzilla entry for a while
and I do not recall if there was an upstream issue or not. You can
search either Bugzilla or the fedora-list archives on this using "GNOME
panel drawer" as keywords.

The second problem is also known with Metacity, the default window
manager for GNOME and has been the subject of recent discussion. Search
the fedora-list archives for "Metacity". The "new" behavior is changed
from RH 9 and is intentional. You have the option of various alternate
window managers and/or desktop environments as has been discussed here
at length. My choice was to change to XFCE4, but that's me.

Near term one option for the Metacity issue is to use the combination of
pressing the ALT key and left clicking on the application window to
raise it. This was also discussed just in the past few days with reasons
as to why this makes some sense.

HTH,

Marc Schwartz

OT: Questions about Gnome

[Mitch Wiedemann]

Hi everyone,

I have some questions about the Gnome desktop, and would like your feedback.

I've been using KDE for about a year now, I chose it initially mostly 
because of Konqueror, and its' ability to split the window horizontally 
and vertically, and save "view profiles" which I find extremely useful.

Every so often I check out Gnome, but the file manager seems overly 
simple for my needs, so I switch back.  I get the feeling that there 
must be more to Gnome than I can see on the surface...

So my question is, Why do you use Gnome over other options? What are 
its' pros and cons? What do you love about it?

<disclaimer>
These questions are not meant to start a desktop turf war!  I'm just a 
guy who wants to be able to make good recommendations and decisions 
about the best software for various uses.
KDE users, I already use/love/know KDE, so don't feel obligated to 
respond, unless you have specific answers to my questions about Gnome.
Feel free to send your replies directly to me ([e-mail]) to 
avoid clutter of the list.
</disclaimer>

Thanks,

OT: Questions about Gnome

[Ben Steeves]

On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 18:20, Mitch Wiedemann wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have some questions about the Gnome desktop, and would like your feedback.
>
> I've been using KDE for about a year now, I chose it initially mostly 
> because of Konqueror, and its' ability to split the window horizontally 
> and vertically, and save "view profiles" which I find extremely useful.
>
> Every so often I check out Gnome, but the file manager seems overly 
> simple for my needs, so I switch back.  I get the feeling that there 
> must be more to Gnome than I can see on the surface...
>
> So my question is, Why do you use Gnome over other options? What are 
> its' pros and cons? What do you love about it?

1) GNOME is simple, clean, and usually works "the way I expect", which
is the key to comfort with any interface.

2) GNOME is highly configurable in both behavior and appearance.  I far
prefer the way GNOME handles panels to KDE.

3) GNOME applications can be tightly integrated leading to a more 
seamless environment.

4) GNOME is very flexible and modular.  Personally, I don't like
Metacity (the default GNOME window manager), so I replaced it with
XFWM4 (from XFCE).  I also use Konqueror instead of Nautilus most
of the time (of course this requires having a minimal amount of KDE
libraries installed).

On a related note, since I was so impressed with XFWM4, I decided to
give a full-blown XFCE desktop a try.  I've found it very lightweight
and very easy to get used to.  I may switch from GNOME to XFCE for a
time, but I'll probably end up switching back to GNOME.  I was also a
WindowMaker user for a long time, but the clean and simple GNOME
interface drew me back.