4:24 p.m.
I am zero for three trying to get fc18 to dual boot. I have a number of systems
with fc16 or fc17 currently dual booting, some with XP as well. In every case,
doing a new install into a new boot and root space, NONE of the existing
installed OS were recognized, only fc18 was left bootable. I also tried fedup
using the existing boot partition from fc17 in hope that it would learn from the
grub config file and keep the existing boots. Didn't happen.
Is this just no longer possible, or is there magic, or do I have to try and
write my own grub2 stanzas, seeing that copying the ones from the fc17 boot cfg
and adding them to grub2.cfg results in some boot failure mode? It seems that
fc18 just won't coexist with other Linux versions, and the next machine I need
to do has XP, fc4, fc9, and is currently on fc13.
Pointer to some useful info?
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
We are not out of the woods yet, but we know the direction and have
taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination. -me, 2010
4:31 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 02/25/2013 07:21 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 02/21/2013 04:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
> another support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON
> tell me that they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs
> on that system, much less offered a hint how to get the other OS
> booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has followed the Windows route
> and doesn't recognize other OS.
>
> Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own
> partition(s). None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2
> stanzas from previous working OS failed to boot completely.
>
> Very sorry to see this.
I am confused as to what the issue here is, I have no problems
whatsoever. My machine was quite happily booting between F17, Ubuntu
12.10 and Windows 8 without issues with the grub2 boot menus being
written to the mbr on my first drive. I reformatted the boot and root
partitions and installed F18 from the dvd and it picked up windows and
ubuntu in its legacy grub menus (legacy grub is installed from the
dvd), and when I did an upgrade from the repositories, the upgrade to
grub2 picked up all my oses without me having to do anything.
regards,
Steve
Mine also installed from a DVD and all upgrades continue to work fine.
Found Ubuntu on the same hard drive with no issue, did not find the
Fedora 16 because I removed the hd from bios before install then put it
back after install. But having said that, Fedora 18 sees the Ubuntu and
Fedora16 in file system, in fact all 3 see all 3 which is great and can
move and use files across all 3.
regards
Roger
10:18 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 02/21/2013 05:40 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/20/2013 11:12 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>> On 20 February 2013 17:28, Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote:
>>> After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
>>> another
>>> support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell
>>> me that
>>> they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that
>>> system,
>>> much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly
>>> conclude
>>> that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize
>>> other OS.
>>>
>>> Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own
>>> partition(s).
>>> None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous
>>> working OS failed to boot completely.
>>>
>>> Very sorry to see this.
>>>
>>
>> For what it's worth I have F18 dual booting with Windows okay. I
>> hadn't replied to your emails because it looks like you're trying to
>> install alongside another linux (F17) and I'm not sure how to do that,
>> particularly as the solution I did know (the one I think you were
>> using, with separate boot partitions and the disc grub chainloading to
>> each one) doesn't work anymore.
>
> It still does work for me - It is exactly what I have.
>
So the installer worked for you and found your other OS versions and
built entries for you? Never happened for me.
No. As I already wrote elsewhere in this thread, I am trying to keep all
OSes as separate as possible.
To achive this, I am using as a manually administrated common "/boot"
partition,
grub chainloader-cascades and separate "boot" partitions for each
Linux-installation, which chain-loads other OS other partitions.
Furthermore, in each Linux installations' /etc/default/grub, I have set
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true to prevent these Linux installations' grubs
to add entries for "foreign OSes".
Ralf
2:21 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 02/21/2013 04:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON
tell me that they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs
on that system, much less offered a hint how to get the other OS
booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has followed the Windows route
and doesn't recognize other OS.
Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own
partition(s). None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas
from previous working OS failed to boot completely.
Very sorry to see this.
I am confused as to what the issue here is, I have no
problems
whatsoever. My machine was quite happily booting between F17, Ubuntu
12.10 and Windows 8 without issues with the grub2 boot menus being
written to the mbr on my first drive. I reformatted the boot and root
partitions and installed F18 from the dvd and it picked up windows and
ubuntu in its legacy grub menus (legacy grub is installed from the dvd),
and when I did an upgrade from the repositories, the upgrade to grub2
picked up all my oses without me having to do anything.
regards,
Steve
Bill Davidsen wrote:
> I am zero for three trying to get fc18 to dual boot. I have a number
> of systems
> with fc16 or fc17 currently dual booting, some with XP as well. In
> every case,
> doing a new install into a new boot and root space, NONE of the existing
> installed OS were recognized, only fc18 was left bootable. I also
> tried fedup
> using the existing boot partition from fc17 in hope that it would
> learn from the
> grub config file and keep the existing boots. Didn't happen.
>
> Is this just no longer possible, or is there magic, or do I have to
> try and
> write my own grub2 stanzas, seeing that copying the ones from the
> fc17 boot cfg
> and adding them to grub2.cfg results in some boot failure mode? It
> seems that
> fc18 just won't coexist with other Linux versions, and the next
> machine I need
> to do has XP, fc4, fc9, and is currently on fc13.
>
> Pointer to some useful info?
>
11:23 a.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:01:17 +0100, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
> I recommend the OP to run
> grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg
Please don't! That's the wrong file. /etc/grub2.cfg is a symlink, but
grub2-mkconfig doesn't follow symlinks. It would replace the symlink with
the new config file, but the boot loader doesn't load it from there.
Run
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
instead. That's the correct command.
> When I installed F18 Anaconda did not install the other OS's for me
> either. The command above did the trick for me
>
And with that I can see fc17 again, huzzah! The machine I tested on didn't
have
BSD or Windows so I can't test that, but the old fc17 shows up. I assume I have
to edit the file to allow access to the older kernels if I want them, but I can
play with that later.
None of this changes my opinion that the installer should at least offer this as
an option, but this at least offers a way to overcome the poor installer.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
10:40 a.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/20/2013 11:12 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> On 20 February 2013 17:28, Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote:
>> After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, another
>> support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that
>> they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system,
>> much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude
>> that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
>>
>> Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s).
>> None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous
>> working OS failed to boot completely.
>>
>> Very sorry to see this.
>>
>
> For what it's worth I have F18 dual booting with Windows okay. I
> hadn't replied to your emails because it looks like you're trying to
> install alongside another linux (F17) and I'm not sure how to do that,
> particularly as the solution I did know (the one I think you were
> using, with separate boot partitions and the disc grub chainloading to
> each one) doesn't work anymore.
It still does work for me - It is exactly what I have.
So the installer worked for you and found your other OS versions and built
entries for you? Never happened for me.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
5:10 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 02/20/2013 11:12 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 20 February 2013 17:28, Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
wrote:
> After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, another
> support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that
> they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system,
> much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude
> that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
>
> Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s).
> None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous
> working OS failed to boot completely.
>
> Very sorry to see this.
>
For what it's worth I have F18 dual booting with Windows okay. I
hadn't replied to your emails because it looks like you're trying to
install alongside another linux (F17) and I'm not sure how to do that,
particularly as the solution I did know (the one I think you were
using, with separate boot partitions and the disc grub chainloading to
each one) doesn't work anymore.
It still does work for me - It is exactly what I have.
Ralf
4:41 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:01:17 +0100, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
I recommend the OP to run
grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg
Please don't! That's the wrong file. /etc/grub2.cfg is a symlink, but
grub2-mkconfig doesn't follow symlinks. It would replace the symlink with
the new config file, but the boot loader doesn't load it from there.
Run
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
instead. That's the correct command.
When I installed F18 Anaconda did not install the other OS's for
me
either. The command above did the trick for me
--
Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.7.2-204.fc18.x86_64
loadavg: 0.07 0.09 0.08
4:12 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 20 February 2013 17:28, Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com> wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another
support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that
they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system,
much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude
that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s).
None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous
working OS failed to boot completely.
Very sorry to see this.
For what it's worth I have F18 dual booting with Windows okay. I
hadn't replied to your emails because it looks like you're trying to
install alongside another linux (F17) and I'm not sure how to do that,
particularly as the solution I did know (the one I think you were
using, with separate boot partitions and the disc grub chainloading to
each one) doesn't work anymore.
--
imalone
http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk
4:01 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 22:39 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:28:36 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, another
> support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that they
> installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system, much less
> offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has
> followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
>
> Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s). None
> worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous working OS
> failed to boot completely.
I recommend the OP to run
grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg
When I installed F18 Anaconda did not install the other OS's for me
either. The command above did the trick for me
3:39 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:28:36 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another
support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that they
installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system, much less
offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has
followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s). None
worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous working OS
failed to boot completely.
Can't confirm such issues. F18 hasn't stopped me from multi-booting (although
the primary bootloader is from F19 Rawhide meanwhile). F18 has recognized other
installations, it has added them to the boot menu, and where package
"os-prober"
doesn't do what I like, I've added chain-loading entries to
/etc/grub.d/40_custom.
--
Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) - Linux 3.7.2-204.fc18.x86_64
loadavg: 0.10 0.14 0.27
12:11 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On 02/20/2013 06:28 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON
tell me that they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on
that system, much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I
sadly conclude that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't
recognize other OS.
Well, may-be you're asking the wrong questions?
At least I don't understand what you are asking.
All I can say, I have several multi-boot installations working,
comprising Fedora (17, 18), openSUSE, Ubuntu and Win8.
What I did not do, was to install F18 from scratch - I upgraded a
preexisting F17 installation to F18.
Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own
partition(s). None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas
from previous working OS failed to boot completely.
Sorry, I don't understand
what you are trying to say.
Are you trying to utilize one single /boot partition with one single
grub for a multiboot setup? From my experience, this has never actually
worked. My trick to circumvent this is to use cascaded grubs
(chain-loading OSes).
Ralf
12:03 p.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:28:36 -0500
Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another
support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that they
installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system
Well, I have multi boot working, but not because the f18 installer
helped any. A long time ago I setup a stand alone grub partition which
exists only to chainload other partitions. I haven't yet converted
it to use grub2, but some experiments seem to indicate it is possible:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/grub2.html
Having that, I then installed fedora 18 inside a virtual machine
and copied the disk image onto a real partition:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/f18-install.html
This all seemed much simpler than risking the f18 installer
running on my real system :-).
11:28 a.m.
New subject: FC18 Installer is Garbage
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, another
support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell me that they
installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that system, much less
offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has
followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize other OS.
Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own partition(s). None
worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous working OS
failed to boot completely.
Very sorry to see this.
Bill Davidsen wrote:
I am zero for three trying to get fc18 to dual boot. I have a number
of systems
with fc16 or fc17 currently dual booting, some with XP as well. In every case,
doing a new install into a new boot and root space, NONE of the existing
installed OS were recognized, only fc18 was left bootable. I also tried fedup
using the existing boot partition from fc17 in hope that it would learn from the
grub config file and keep the existing boots. Didn't happen.
Is this just no longer possible, or is there magic, or do I have to try and
write my own grub2 stanzas, seeing that copying the ones from the fc17 boot cfg
and adding them to grub2.cfg results in some boot failure mode? It seems that
fc18 just won't coexist with other Linux versions, and the next machine I need
to do has XP, fc4, fc9, and is currently on fc13.
Pointer to some useful info?
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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