Firefox 34 bookmark sidebar scrolling has changed

[Andre Robatino]

Firefox 34 just went to the F20 stable updates. The bookmark sidebar
scrolling behavior has changed and I can't find any reference to it, though
I probably just don't know what to search for. You used to be able to
middle-click on the scrollbar to move it to an arbitrary position, or
left-click on it to move it up/down one page at a time. Now left-click moves
the scrollbar to an arbitrary position (same as the old middle-click), and
middle-click does nothing. Is there some way in FF34 to scroll up and down
the bookmark sidebar one page at a time?

[Ron Yorston]

Fred Smith wrote:
> I've just done a Centos-7 install on one of my netbooks, and then
> I installed the Mate desktop so I wouldn't have to fume and curse
> Gnome. Mate is much more friendly. but I noticed that some few programs
> even in Mate still use the silly "new" scrollbar behavior, and adding that
> entry (in fact, creating the file 'cause it wasn't there) doesn't help.
I've had a quick look at Mate in F20 but didn't spot anything with the
new scrollbar behaviour.  Can you point to any examples?

Ron

[Ron Yorston]

Tony Nelson wrote:
> Thank you.  Do you know of any settings for other Gnome3 changes I 
> might wish to undo? 
Well, I don't know what *you* might want to undo, but here's the script
I run after installing F20.  Some of the settings can be modified in
gnome-tweak-tool but I find it more convenient to gather them all into
one place.

Ron

gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling false
gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides dynamic-workspaces false
gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides attach-modal-dialogs false
gsettings set org.gnome.shell always-show-log-out true
gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides button-layout
":minimize,maximize,close"

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates auto-download-updates false
gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.updates active false

gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences mouse-button-modifier
"'<Alt>'"
gsettings set org.gnome.mutter auto-maximize false

gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings overrides
"{'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': <0>}"

gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface clock-show-date true
gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences focus-mode "sloppy"

[Fred Smith]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 10:37:42AM +0000, Ron Yorston wrote:
>  Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  >I noticed the same thing with Evolution, long ago, that I can't simply
>  >page up and down by clicking above or below the scroll bar, any more.
>  >It jumps to what's essentially a random spot, since you have no way to
>  >actually pick a specific part of the message list that you want to see.
>  >You're pretty screwed if you don't have a mouse wheel and you want to
>  >page through things.
>  
>  It's due to a change in GTK+3.  Maybe Firefox has inherited this.
>  I preferred the old behaviour.
>  
>  To get the old behaviour back edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
>  and add this:
>  
>     [Settings]
>     gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0 
I've just done a Centos-7 install on one of my netbooks, and then
I installed the Mate desktop so I wouldn't have to fume and curse
Gnome. Mate is much more friendly. but I noticed that some few programs
even in Mate still use the silly "new" scrollbar behavior, and adding that
entry (in fact, creating the file 'cause it wasn't there) doesn't help.

Would you have any other suggestions for dealing with that?

thanks a bunch!
-- 
---- Fred Smith -- fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
                      The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, 
                    keeping watch on the wicked and the good.
----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) -----------------------------

[Andre Robatino]

Matthew Miller <mattdm <at> fedoraproject.org> writes:

>  On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 08:21:47AM +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
>  > middle-click on the scrollbar to move it to an arbitrary position, or
>  > left-click on it to move it up/down one page at a time. Now left-click moves
>  > the scrollbar to an arbitrary position (same as the old middle-click), and
>  > middle-click does nothing. Is there some way in FF34 to scroll up and down
>  > the bookmark sidebar one page at a time?
>  
>  _Right_ click should do it now, I think. It's a GTK 3 thing. I guess it
>  makes sense as people move more to two-finger scrolling with touchpads,
>  but personally I put it back with the setting mentioned elsewhere in
>  the thread. 
Yes, that works (though it feels a little weird). It's easier for me to get
used to it than to remember how to change the setting, so I'll adjust. Thanks!

[Fred Smith]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 10:37:42AM +0000, Ron Yorston wrote:
>  Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  >I noticed the same thing with Evolution, long ago, that I can't simply
>  >page up and down by clicking above or below the scroll bar, any more.
>  >It jumps to what's essentially a random spot, since you have no way to
>  >actually pick a specific part of the message list that you want to see.
>  >You're pretty screwed if you don't have a mouse wheel and you want to
>  >page through things.
>  
>  It's due to a change in GTK+3.  Maybe Firefox has inherited this.
>  I preferred the old behaviour.
>  
>  To get the old behaviour back edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
>  and add this:
>  
>     [Settings]
>     gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0
>  
>  Ron 
That's one of the things (only one!) I can't stand about Gnome-3.x,
that behavior seems really stupid! given that behavior there's no way
to "page down" or "up" thru a file using the scrollbar. if it's a
loooong file, dragging the slider even a tiny bit moves you many
"miles".

I'm glad to know there is a way to "fix" it, even though I avoid
Gnome-3 whenever possible. Thanks!

-- 
---- Fred Smith -- fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
                        The Lord is like a strong tower. 
             Those who do what is right can run to him for safety.
--------------------------- Proverbs 18:10 (niv) -----------------------------

[Ron Yorston]

Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; wrote:
> I noticed the same thing with Evolution, long ago, that I can't
> simply
> page up and down by clicking above or below the scroll bar, any more.
> It jumps to what's essentially a random spot, since you have no way to
> actually pick a specific part of the message list that you want to see.
> You're pretty screwed if you don't have a mouse wheel and you want to
> page through things. 
It's due to a change in GTK+3.  Maybe Firefox has inherited this.
I preferred the old behaviour.

To get the old behaviour back edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
and add this:

   [Settings]
   gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0

Ron

[Tim]

On Thu, 2014-12-04 at 08:21 +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
>  Firefox 34 just went to the F20 stable updates. The bookmark sidebar
>  scrolling behavior has changed and I can't find any reference to it,
>  though I probably just don't know what to search for. You used to be
>  able to middle-click on the scrollbar to move it to an arbitrary
>  position, or left-click on it to move it up/down one page at a time.
>  Now left-click moves the scrollbar to an arbitrary position (same as
>  the old middle-click), and middle-click does nothing. Is there some
>  way in FF34 to scroll up and down the bookmark sidebar one page at a
>  time? 
I noticed the same thing with Evolution, long ago, that I can't simply
page up and down by clicking above or below the scroll bar, any more.
It jumps to what's essentially a random spot, since you have no way to
actually pick a specific part of the message list that you want to see.
You're pretty screwed if you don't have a mouse wheel and you want to
page through things.

However, Firefox is still working the good way.  And I never knew about
middle clicking in the scroll bar area, before.

Using Mate on Fedora 20, here.

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a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.

[Tony Nelson]

On 14-12-05 05:37:42, Ron Yorston wrote:
>  Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  >I noticed the same thing with Evolution, long ago, that I can't
>  >simply page up and down by clicking above or below the scroll bar, 
>  >any more. It jumps to what's essentially a random spot, since you 
>  >have no way to actually pick a specific part of the message list 
>  >that you want to see. You're pretty screwed if you don't have a 
>  >mouse wheel and you want to page through things.
>  
>  It's due to a change in GTK+3.  Maybe Firefox has inherited this.
>  I preferred the old behaviour.
>  
>  To get the old behaviour back edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
>  and add this:
>  
>     [Settings]
>     gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0 
Thank you.  Do you know of any settings for other Gnome3 changes I 
might wish to undo?

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[Andre Robatino]

Andre Robatino <robatino <at> fedoraproject.org> writes:

>  Firefox 34 just went to the F20 stable updates. The bookmark sidebar
>  scrolling behavior has changed and I can't find any reference to it, though
>  I probably just don't know what to search for. You used to be able to
>  middle-click on the scrollbar to move it to an arbitrary position, or
>  left-click on it to move it up/down one page at a time. Now left-click moves
>  the scrollbar to an arbitrary position (same as the old middle-click), and
>  middle-click does nothing. Is there some way in FF34 to scroll up and down
>  the bookmark sidebar one page at a time? 
I just noticed that web page scrolling now works the same way, and worked
the old way in FF33. So it's all scrolling, not just bookmarks. I also found
that with the PageUp and PageDown buttons I can make it scroll one page at a
time. Sorry for the noise.

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 08:21:47AM +0000, Andre Robatino wrote:
>  middle-click on the scrollbar to move it to an arbitrary position,
> or
>  left-click on it to move it up/down one page at a time. Now left-click moves
>  the scrollbar to an arbitrary position (same as the old middle-click), and
>  middle-click does nothing. Is there some way in FF34 to scroll up and down
>  the bookmark sidebar one page at a time? 
_Right_ click should do it now, I think. It's a GTK 3 thing. I guess it
makes sense as people move more to two-finger scrolling with touchpads,
but personally I put it back with the setting mentioned elsewhere in
the thread.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader