12:48 p.m.
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open firefox.
I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having to make this a
new topic.
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up more of
a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the last
part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
localhost.localhost
Release
Kernel Linux 3.13.7-200.fc20.i686
mate 1.6.2
HARDWARE:
Memory 2.0 GB
Processor 0: Intel Core Due CPU e7500 @ 2.93 GB
Processor 1: same as above
Avail disk space: 206.8 GB
memory in use now 488.1
swap 23.0 mb
chris@localhost ~$ sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +39.0°C (high = +76.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +39.0°C (high = +76.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
it8718-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0: +1.06 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in1: +1.92 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in2: +3.33 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
+5V: +2.94 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in4: +0.46 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +2.10 V)
in5: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) ALARM
in6: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) ALARM
in7: +3.09 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
Vbat: +3.17 V
fan1: 2089 RPM (min = 10 RPM)
fan2: 2213 RPM (min = 10 RPM)
temp1: -55.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermistor
temp2: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermistor
temp3: +32.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +60.0°C) sensor = thermal diode
cpu0_vid: +1.100 V
intrusion0: OK
chris@localhost ~$
Thanks,
Christopher M
1:42 p.m.
On 04/03/14 12:48, christopher marlow wrote:
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open
firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having
to make this a new topic.
what is happening with firefox is something that has been brought
up many times in the firefox support group.
it is a know fact that firefox causes laptop fans to run faster
and if you run "top" command, you will see that not only does
firefox use a lot of %CPU, it is also heavy on %MEM and such will
increase over time thru usage to a point where firefox will hog
both.
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several
firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to
totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory
and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a
tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE
then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up
more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
and so it should be. you need to consider what cpu is doing in the
2 different states and understand that cpu is handling more in one
that the other.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the
last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
if you are having to clean out cobwebs, you may want to consider
using laptop in a cleaner environment and using Raid bug spray in
room once in a while. ;-)
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
2:34 p.m.
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust bunnies :P
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
Christopher
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
On 04/03/14 12:48, christopher marlow wrote:
>
> I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open
> firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having
> to make this a new topic.
what is happening with firefox is something that has been brought
up many times in the firefox support group.
it is a know fact that firefox causes laptop fans to run faster
and if you run "top" command, you will see that not only does
firefox use a lot of %CPU, it is also heavy on %MEM and such will
increase over time thru usage to a point where firefox will hog
both.
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several
firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to
totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory
and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a
tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
> But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
>
> but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up
> more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
and so it should be. you need to consider what cpu is doing in the
2 different states and understand that cpu is handling more in one
that the other.
> I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the
> last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
if you are having to clean out cobwebs, you may want to consider
using laptop in a cleaner environment and using Raid bug spray in
room once in a while. ;-)
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
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3:32 p.m.
On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust
bunnies :P
ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every
few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be
allowed to accumulate.
watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms
with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean.
then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see
a notable increase by 2 months.
if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more
often.
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu
heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation
to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several
reasons;
1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply
2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in.
3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for
max air flow.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
3:35 p.m.
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
Christopher
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
>
> well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust
> bunnies :P
ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every
few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be
allowed to accumulate.
watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms
with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean.
then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see
a notable increase by 2 months.
if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more
often.
> Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu
heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation
to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several
reasons;
1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply
2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in.
3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for
max air flow.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
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3:39 p.m.
On 04/03/2014 01:35 PM, christopher marlow wrote:
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
Xfce is much less resource intensive than some of the other DEs; Gnome 3
is a notorious resource hog. It's quite reasonable that this made
enough of a difference to eliminate the issue.
3:46 p.m.
On 04/03/2014 01:35 PM, christopher marlow issued this missive:
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
It is possible that the increased fan speed is caused by your GPU
working harder to render the graphics on web pages--especially if
there's video on the pages.
Switching to XFCE from an eye-candy-laden desktop (Gnome3, etc.)
reduces your GPU workload as well since XFCE doesn't do 3D unless
you've installed Compiz. Even then, if you don't use the 3D desktops
(cube and such) the load on your GPU will be reduced.
Watch the temperature on your GPU in sensors and see if perhaps that's
the cause. I sorta gave up on Firefox (with all its problems) and use
either Chrome or Opera a lot. I have Firefox and a couple of other
browsers on standby in case I need them but I rarely do.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>
> On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
>>
>> well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust
>> bunnies :P
>
>
> ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
>
> seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every
> few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be
> allowed to accumulate.
>
> watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms
> with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean.
> then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see
> a notable increase by 2 months.
>
> if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more
> often.
>
>
>> Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
>
>
> matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu
> heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
>
> and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation
> to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
>
> i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several
> reasons;
>
> 1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply
> 2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in.
> 3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for
> max air flow.
>
>
>
> --
>
> peace out.
>
> in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
>
> tc.hago.
>
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On 04/03/2014 10:48:40 AM, christopher marlow wrote:
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open
firefox.
I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having to make this a
new topic.
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up more of
a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the last
part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
<snip>
When the fan speeds up, use top to see if perhaps there's a kworker using 50+%
6:43 a.m.
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 15:32 -0500, g wrote:
on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
In some cases, pun intended, that's actually not a good idea.
With an enclosed space, it's supposedly designed to force airflow across
the whole board (yeah, we know the cards get in the way). But with the
side panel off, air goes the easiest route that it can, and some parts
of the board can roast because air isn't forced over them.
I rather like the newer cases that have a big, slow, quiet, fan, mounted
on the side panel, that blows over the whole board.
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7:18 a.m.
2014-04-03 20:42 GMT+02:00, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net>:
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several
firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to
totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory
and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a
tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
Edit -> Preferences -> General -> When Firefox starts: Show my windows
and tabs from last time.
I think it's more practical than bookmarking all tabs if you just want
to quickly quit and restart.
Andras
9:15 a.m.
On 04/04/14 06:43, Tim wrote:
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 15:32 -0500, g wrote:
> on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
In some cases, pun intended, that's actually not a good idea.as
with some cases, that is true.
With an enclosed space, it's supposedly designed to force
airflow
across the whole board (yeah, we know the cards get in the way).
But with the side panel off, air goes the easiest route that it
can, and some parts of the board can roast because air isn't
forced over them.
in what i would estimate to be at least 90%, if not 99%, of fans
set up by oem, fans flow air out of the case, not into case. as
such, there is very little airflow distributed anywhere near what
could be considered properly across board and components.
kind of like oems know that airflow is not adequate and they are
hoping for heat failure so they can sell newer and more systems.
I rather like the newer cases that have a big, slow, quiet, fan,
mounted on the side panel, that blows over the whole board.
yes, mounting fan on side panel is better as it does allow for a
larger fan. as for speed, i am hoping that the new fans are
variable speed and controlled by temp sensors around memory and
vlsi chips to increase fan speed when needed.
"sensors" is a great routine that many need to learn to use.
tho i do wonder about it sometimes and now is one of them.
]$ sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0: +43.0 C (high = +86.0 C, crit = +100.0 C)
Core 1: +43.0 C (high = +86.0 C, crit = +100.0 C)
smsc47b397-isa-0480
Adapter: ISA adapter
fan1: 1064 RPM
fan2: 0 RPM
fan3: 0 RPM
fan4: 1005 RPM
temp1: +58.0 C
temp2: +43.0 C
temp3: +28.0 C
temp4: -128.0 C
i do not know where/what 'temp4' is reading, but it tends to
show a rather efficient heat sink. :-D
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
9:22 a.m.
On 04/04/14 07:18, Andras Simon wrote:
2014-04-03 20:42 GMT+02:00, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net>:
> having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several
> firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
>
> when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to
> totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory
> and start it again.
>
> if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a
> tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
Edit -> Preferences -> General -> When Firefox starts: Show my windows
and tabs from last time.
which is all well and good if one desires to restart with last used
tabs all the time.
as for myself, i seldom wish to do so.
I think it's more practical than bookmarking all tabs if you
just
want to quickly quit and restart.
as above, not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
besides, "Bookmark All Tabs..." does give one ability to build
bookmarks for when one wishes to reopen them. plus, makes them
available if one desires to send bookmarks to someone else.
anyway, it is a moot point and another apples and oranges.
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tc.hago.
g
.
9:43 p.m.
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites brought
the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session.
So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that
option and pick up from where you left off.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass so many
bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's not helped by
websites with useless page titles.
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1:08 a.m.
On 04/05/14 08:43, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
> not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites
brought the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session.
So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that
option and pick up from where you left off.
had that with firefox, but lost, with a couple other abilities,
after an upgrade. was handy.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass
so
many bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's
not helped by websites with useless page titles.
true. but anyone with bad 'house keeping habits' will have an
amass of bookmarks that they know little of, regardless of using
bookmarking of all tabs.
if one is to use bookmarks, one should learn how to use them.
not just mark to have a bookmark.
every time i set a bookmark, i immediately set a tag.
i have 19,812 bookmarks, all with tags, about 85% have keywords,
and i will not guess how many i have filed in a description.
all my bookmarks are categorized and alphabetized with headings
to easily locate them. it took a few years off and on of
reorganizing to get them to the organization they are now in,
but it was well worth it.
in fact, a bit of a brag, but as a further description, my
bookmarks would make Melvil Dewey proud. :-)
also, among these bookmarks, there are a lot from netscape days
that i still use.
this is heading in a tangent way off from "Subject:", so i leave
with above.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
1:35 a.m.
I honestly dont understand the whole point of tagging in firefox... Well
I dont know how to use the tagging feature, I have never used it...
What do you do tag something then type it in the address bar and hit
enter and it will load that bookmark?
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1:37 a.m.
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Subject: Re: in regard to my system fans picking up speed
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:08:06 +0600
On 04/05/14 08:43, Tim wrote:
GRR.. Evolution... For some reason when adding a new account to EVO it
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On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
> not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites
brought the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session.
So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that
option and pick up from where you left off.
had that with firefox, but lost, with a couple other abilities,
after an upgrade. was handy.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass
so
many bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's
not helped by websites with useless page titles.
true. but anyone with bad 'house keeping habits' will have an
amass of bookmarks that they know little of, regardless of using
bookmarking of all tabs.
if one is to use bookmarks, one should learn how to use them.
not just mark to have a bookmark.
every time i set a bookmark, i immediately set a tag.
i have 19,812 bookmarks, all with tags, about 85% have keywords,
and i will not guess how many i have filed in a description.
all my bookmarks are categorized and alphabetized with headings
to easily locate them. it took a few years off and on of
reorganizing to get them to the organization they are now in,
but it was well worth it.
in fact, a bit of a brag, but as a further description, my
bookmarks would make Melvil Dewey proud. :-)
also, among these bookmarks, there are a lot from netscape days
that i still use.
this is heading in a tangent way off from "Subject:", so i leave
with above.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
5:07 a.m.
Tim:
> It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
Joe Zeff:
You can always edit the title before clicking OK. HTH, HAND.
I know that, but if you're bookmarking all your tabs quickly, because
you want to reboot/shutdown/eat, it's a nuisance having to do that, step
by step, thanks to crappy website authoring.
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5:12 a.m.
On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 01:35 -0500, c. marlow wrote:
I honestly dont understand the whole point of tagging in firefox...
Well I dont know how to use the tagging feature, I have never used
it...
Tagging allows you to categorise your links, so you might tag news links
as news, finance links as finance, computer help links as help, etc.
You can make your own tags, or use prepared ones that it already has.
What do you do tag something then type it in the address bar and hit
enter and it will load that bookmark?
Generally, I've found that you can type keywords into the address bar,
and Firefox will start suggesting pages based upon website addresses,
page titles, keywords, etc., that it finds from your bookmarks and
recent history.
Thanks to the last one (it finding things in your history), I tend to
not bother bookmarking things I'm only vaguely interested in. If I need
to revisit something in a couple of days time, or longer, Firefox can
find it for me.
Failing it finding something useful in your history, browsers like to
offer you suggestions made by external search engines, in the address
bar. Sometimes it's useful, occasionally it's unintentionally funny,
and sometimes completely the wrong suggestion.
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8:46 a.m.
On 04/05/14 16:07, Tim wrote:
Tim:
>> It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
Joe Zeff:
> You can always edit the title before clicking OK. HTH, HAND.
I know that, but if you're bookmarking all your tabs quickly, because
you want to reboot/shutdown/eat, it's a nuisance having to do that,
step by step, thanks to crappy website authoring.
well, being that you are aware of such, do you not look at your
last bookmarks when you restart, and act then?
if not, then you are failing to use bookmarking as you need to
be. which is very much in opposite of your other post;
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 20:42:03 +1030
Message-Id: <1396692723.25789.7.camel(a)gonzales.lan.cameratim.com>
i very much agree with you about crappy website authoring.
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