Two questions:
(1) Is anyone here running a late version of Fedora on the new Dell Precision 7520 (or 5520)?
(2) I ordered the 7520 with a cheap disk drive. It will come with Ubuntu installed. I intend to replace the drive with a M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD card (Samsung PM961). How do I do a "disk copy" to the SDD so that the machine will boot Ubuntu from it? (Once I confirm things are working, I will blow away Ubuntu and install F25 if the answer to (1) is not negative.
On 07/11/2017 11:59 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
Two questions:
(1) Is anyone here running a late version of Fedora on the new Dell Precision 7520 (or 5520)?
I'm running Fedora 25 on a Precision 5520. I did get the Core i5 CPU and the 1080p screen, because I didn't want to mess with NVIDIA drivers and/or Optimus.
(2) I ordered the 7520 with a cheap disk drive. It will come with Ubuntu installed. I intend to replace the drive with a M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD card (Samsung PM961). How do I do a "disk copy" to the SDD so that the machine will boot Ubuntu from it? (Once I confirm things are working, I will blow away Ubuntu and install F25 if the answer to (1) is not negative.
The easiest way will be to boot from a "live CD" on a USB thumdrive and copy the disk contents (or significant parts thereof) to a USB SDD or over the network.
On 07/11/2017 12:34 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 07/11/2017 11:59 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
Two questions:
(1) Is anyone here running a late version of Fedora on the new Dell Precision 7520 (or 5520)?
I'm running Fedora 25 on a Precision 5520. I did get the Core i5 CPU and the 1080p screen, because I didn't want to mess with NVIDIA drivers and/or Optimus.
Thanks Ian! I will get the i7 with a 1080p screen, but I _did_ order the Nvidia card. Dell told me that with Ubuntu loaded, they've set the Bios to lock onto the Nvidia card all the time, so Optimus should not be an issue. Also, I've never had problems using the nvidia driver via "akmods" and "akmod-nvidia" from rpmfusion. Hope I don't have to eat my words.
(2) I ordered the 7520 with a cheap disk drive. It will come with Ubuntu installed. I intend to replace the drive with a M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD card (Samsung PM961). How do I do a "disk copy" to the SDD so that the machine will boot Ubuntu from it? (Once I confirm things are working, I will blow away Ubuntu and install F25 if the answer to (1) is not negative.
The easiest way will be to boot from a "live CD" on a USB thumdrive and copy the disk contents (or significant parts thereof) to a USB SDD or over the network.
Sorry, I'm not understanding. What's the USB SSD doing? The machine comes with Ubuntu installed on a 1TB conventional disk. I want to do something like a "disk copy" to the M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD which I've ordered from Amazon. I suppose it must be installed in the machine to do this.
I'm thinking about pulling the conventional drive out and putting it in a USB disk dock I have. Then with the M.2 SSD installed, booting off a live CD USB as you suggested. Then I'd use "rsync" (if the live CD has it!) to copy the Ubuntu system to a small partition I would make on the M.2. Does that sound reasonable?
The only part I'm not sure about is getting the machine to boot off the M.2 SSD. I'm a total novice with grub2.
-Sherman
On 07/12/2017 05:13 PM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
On 07/11/2017 12:34 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 07/11/2017 11:59 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
Two questions:
(1) Is anyone here running a late version of Fedora on the new Dell Precision 7520 (or 5520)?
I'm running Fedora 25 on a Precision 5520. I did get the Core i5 CPU and the 1080p screen, because I didn't want to mess with NVIDIA drivers and/or Optimus.
Thanks Ian! I will get the i7 with a 1080p screen, but I _did_ order the Nvidia card. Dell told me that with Ubuntu loaded, they've set the Bios to lock onto the Nvidia card all the time, so Optimus should not be an issue. Also, I've never had problems using the nvidia driver via "akmods" and "akmod-nvidia" from rpmfusion. Hope I don't have to eat my words.
(2) I ordered the 7520 with a cheap disk drive. It will come with Ubuntu installed. I intend to replace the drive with a M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD card (Samsung PM961). How do I do a "disk copy" to the SDD so that the machine will boot Ubuntu from it? (Once I confirm things are working, I will blow away Ubuntu and install F25 if the answer to (1) is not negative.
The easiest way will be to boot from a "live CD" on a USB thumdrive and copy the disk contents (or significant parts thereof) to a USB SDD or over the network.
Sorry, I'm not understanding. What's the USB SSD doing? The machine comes with Ubuntu installed on a 1TB conventional disk. I want to do something like a "disk copy" to the M.2 PCIe 1TB SSD which I've ordered from Amazon. I suppose it must be installed in the machine to do this.
I'm thinking about pulling the conventional drive out and putting it in a USB disk dock I have. Then with the M.2 SSD installed, booting off a live CD USB as you suggested. Then I'd use "rsync" (if the live CD has it!) to copy the Ubuntu system to a small partition I would make on the M.2. Does that sound reasonable?
The only part I'm not sure about is getting the machine to boot off the M.2 SSD. I'm a total novice with grub2.
I'd just put your SSD in, download a copy of F26 Live (why bother with F25?) in whatever spin you want (Xfce, Gnome, KDE, whatever), burn it to a DVD or put it on a thumbdrive and boot your system with that and test it. If everything works OK, then just install F26 to the SSD using the "Install to disk" option on the Live media. There's absolutely no reason to boot Ubuntu at all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 07/12/2017 05:38 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 07/12/2017 05:13 PM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
On 07/11/2017 12:34 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 07/11/2017 11:59 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
Two questions:
(1) Is anyone here running a late version of Fedora on the new Dell Precision 7520 (or 5520)?
I'm running Fedora 25 on a Precision 5520. ...
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I'm thinking about pulling the conventional drive out and putting it in a USB disk dock I have. Then with the M.2 SSD installed, booting off a live CD USB as you suggested. Then I'd use "rsync" (if the live CD has it!) to copy the Ubuntu system to a small partition I would make on the M.2. Does that sound reasonable?
The only part I'm not sure about is getting the machine to boot off the M.2 SSD. I'm a total novice with grub2.
I'd just put your SSD in, download a copy of F26 Live (why bother with F25?) in whatever spin you want (Xfce, Gnome, KDE, whatever), burn it to a DVD or put it on a thumbdrive and boot your system with that and test it. If everything works OK, then just install F26 to the SSD using the "Install to disk" option on the Live media. There's absolutely no reason to boot Ubuntu at all.
I want to use Ubuntu first because the machine is certified from Dell to work with it as that's what it shipped with. If the SSD PCIe drive I'm putting in doesn't work, I'll only have that (and the copy process) as factors w/o complicating things with Fedora 26 (which I didn't realise was even out. :-)
-Sherman
On 07/13/2017 11:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
I want to use Ubuntu first because the machine is certified from Dell to work with it as that's what it shipped with. If the SSD PCIe drive I'm putting in doesn't work, I'll only have that (and the copy process) as factors w/o complicating things with Fedora 26 (which I didn't realise was even out. :-)
I would recommend installing Fedora on the new SSD first and then if there's an issue trying something else. It is a really fast test and the other process of trying to copy the hard drive is long and difficult.
On 07/13/2017 12:19 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/13/2017 11:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
I want to use Ubuntu first because the machine is certified from Dell to work with it as that's what it shipped with. If the SSD PCIe drive I'm putting in doesn't work, I'll only have that (and the copy process) as factors w/o complicating things with Fedora 26 (which I didn't realise was even out. :-)
I would recommend installing Fedora on the new SSD first and then if there's an issue trying something else. It is a really fast test and the other process of trying to copy the hard drive is long and difficult.
That's my take as well. Use a USB key or DVD with whatever flavor of F26 Live you want. If it works (display, periperhals, etc.), then just use the "install to disk" icon to install to the SSD. Booting up Ubuntu first isn't going to tell you anything that a F26 Live disk won't. If you're going to run Fedora, then test with Fedora. Would you test drive a Ford with automatic gearbox then purchase a Fiat with manual shift?
We use Dells a TON around here (granted they're servers, not desktops although my laptop running F26 is a Dell). We run CentOS almost exclusively (there's the odd Ubuntu, too) and we've almost never had an issue. There has been the occasional problem--usually with esoteric hardware, but that hardware was difficult to support under ANY Linux regardless of distro. Ubuntu typically runs older kernels than Fedora so there may be a kernel issue, but Linux is Linux, pretty much. If it runs one distro, it's 97% likely it'll run another with minimal or no fuss. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Time WAS on my side. Now it's behind me and pushing real hard! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 14/7/2017 3:54 am, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
I want to use Ubuntu first because the machine is certified from Dell to work with it as that's what it shipped with. If the SSD PCIe drive I'm putting in doesn't work, I'll only have that (and the copy process) as factors w/o complicating things with Fedora 26 (which I didn't realise was even out.
So, boot up with the supplied disc, check things work, pull out that disc, and store it somewhere (or leave it bolted-in but unplugged) for that moment you need to deal with them.
Put in your new disc, install what you want, use it by itself.
If dual booting is not your thing, and you only want the other drive for that one time you might have to deal with your supplier, it's easier to completely remove the original disc from your normal operating condition.
On 07/13/2017 08:13 PM, Tim wrote:
On 14/7/2017 3:54 am, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
I want to use Ubuntu first because the machine is certified from Dell to work with it as that's what it shipped with. If the SSD PCIe drive I'm putting in doesn't work, I'll only have that (and the copy process) as factors w/o complicating things with Fedora 26 (which I didn't realise was even out.
So, boot up with the supplied disc, check things work, pull out that disc, and store it somewhere (or leave it bolted-in but unplugged) for that moment you need to deal with them.
Put in your new disc, install what you want, use it by itself.
If dual booting is not your thing, and you only want the other drive for that one time you might have to deal with your supplier, it's easier to completely remove the original disc from your normal operating condition.
Thanks, everyone, for your sage advice. To be clear, my issue is with the new M.2 PCIe SSD "drive" itself which I ordered from amazon. It arrives today and I'm not certain it will work. I've not been able to confirm it does or doesn't, and Dell support has been no help. (I've never used SSD before, let alone PCIe SSD) It's the Samsung PM961 1TB card, by the way, if anyone knows about this stuff.
Anticipating problems, _that's_ why I thought I should start with the officially sanctioned Ubuntu before finally installing Fedora. (I'll start with 25 and let 26 settle a bit. I'm in the middle of moving to China and don't have time to futz with 26 yet. I just last week installed 25 on my current (dying) laptop and am getting used to it. I've been using 21 KDE for a long time and 25 is very different.)
Anyway, I'm taking everyone's suggestion and will use my F25 live usb to first try the system after I take out the rotary disk and put in the PCIe drive.
-Sherman
On 15/7/2017 11:29 pm, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
To be clear, my issue is with the new M.2 PCIe SSD "drive" itself which I ordered from amazon. It arrives today and I'm not certain it will work. I've not been able to confirm it does or doesn't, and Dell support has been no help. (I've never used SSD before, let alone PCIe SSD) It's the Samsung PM961 1TB card, by the way, if anyone knows about this stuff.
I haven't used one either, but my friends do (one using Ubuntu, the other using Windows, neither with any special computing skills). My understanding is that they're supposed to be a drop-in hard drive replacement. Your OS should work with them in the same way.
If they need any special parameters I'm unaware of them, and I would hope that if you do a fresh install onto one of them that the installer would do what it needs to do.
If you install a SSD by itself, you're free to experiment on it. Your other, unplugged, drive won't be disturbed by such testing.
On 07/15/2017 07:38 AM, Tim wrote:
On 15/7/2017 11:29 pm, Sherman Grunewagen wrote:
To be clear, my issue is with the new M.2 PCIe SSD "drive" itself which I ordered from amazon. It arrives today and I'm not certain it will work. I've not been able to confirm it does or doesn't, and Dell support has been no help. (I've never used SSD before, let alone PCIe SSD) It's the Samsung PM961 1TB card, by the way, if anyone knows about this stuff.
I haven't used one either, but my friends do (one using Ubuntu, the other using Windows, neither with any special computing skills). My understanding is that they're supposed to be a drop-in hard drive replacement. Your OS should work with them in the same way.
If they need any special parameters I'm unaware of them, and I would hope that if you do a fresh install onto one of them that the installer would do what it needs to do.
If you install a SSD by itself, you're free to experiment on it. Your other, unplugged, drive won't be disturbed by such testing.
Thanks Tim. What "special parameters" might there be? I've spent a few days installing F25 and all my special applications (vmware, scilab, scribus 2.5.3, &c.) on an HDD on a different laptop, learning F25 along the way (coming from F21).
Ideally, I'd like to format the SSD in my usual peculiar way (a boot partition and a big volume group), pre-create the various lv's w/in the VG, plug in my existing F25 external, and copy my configured system into those fresh SSD partitions. Then I hand-craft a grub2 from the previous one and write a bootloader onto the front of the drive. This has always worked in the past. Can I expect it to work with this PCIe SSD drive? I've no experience with SSD.
-Sherman
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