XFCE wonkiness after upgrading from Fedora10 -> 11

[Lonni J Friedman]

Greetings,
I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a bunch
of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or known
already:
0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
1) The menu editor(xfce4-menueditor) seems to be gone entirely.  Its
not in the settings-manager, and there's no xfce4-menueditor binary
anywhere.  I did a yum search for it as well, and found nothing.  That
wouldn't be a big deal except that....
2) My /home/netllama/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml is completely
ignored, and I'm getting a default menu with all sorts of entries that
I don't want or need, and none of the entries that I do need.

thanks in advance for any guidance or feedback.

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi<kevin(a)scrye.com> wrote:
>  On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:56:02 -0700
>  Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi&lt;kevin(a)scrye.com&gt; wrote:
> > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
> > > Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a
> > >> bunch of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or
> > >> known already:
> > >> 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
> > >> thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
> > >> until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
> > >
> > > There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this...
> > > It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;(
> >
> > Ugh.  Does that imply that there's no solution either?
>
>  Sorry to dig up an old thread here, but upstream has released a patch
>  for this behavior that might get it working the way you expect.
>
>  See:
>
>  http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-8073
>
>  for a f11 test update with that patch. If it works for you, please add
>  karma there and indicate that it does. ;) 
Its not clear to me how to do that.  Anyway, this package does work
quite nicely, thanks.



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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:15:03 -0700
Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi&lt;kevin(a)scrye.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:56:02 -0700
>  > Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi&lt;kevin(a)scrye.com&gt;
>  >> wrote:
>  >> > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
>  >> > Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >> >
>  >> >> Greetings,
>  >> >> I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across
> a
>  >> >> bunch of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific
>  >> >> or known already:
>  >> >> 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
>  >> >> thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly
>  >> >> run, until I realized that they were happily sitting behind
>  >> >> other apps.
>  >> >
>  >> > There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this...
>  >> > It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;(
>  >>
>  >> Ugh.  Does that imply that there's no solution either?
>  >
>  > Sorry to dig up an old thread here, but upstream has released a
>  > patch for this behavior that might get it working the way you
>  > expect.
>  >
>  > See:
>  >
>  > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-8073
>  >
>  > for a f11 test update with that patch. If it works for you, please
>  > add karma there and indicate that it does. ;)
>  
>  Thanks.  How or where do I get this package?  I looked all over the
>  URL you provided, and nothing points to an RPM as far as I can tell. 
You can look at the 'builds' link and get it direct from the build
system, or way a day or so and it should show up in the
'updates-testing' repository. A link from the bug: 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=514206

explains how to install it from there via yum. 

kevin

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Kevin Fenzi<kevin(a)scrye.com> wrote:
>  On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:56:02 -0700
>  Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi&lt;kevin(a)scrye.com&gt; wrote:
> > > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
> > > Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a
> > >> bunch of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or
> > >> known already:
> > >> 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
> > >> thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
> > >> until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
> > >
> > > There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this...
> > > It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;(
> >
> > Ugh.  Does that imply that there's no solution either?
>
>  Sorry to dig up an old thread here, but upstream has released a patch
>  for this behavior that might get it working the way you expect.
>
>  See:
>
>  http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-8073
>
>  for a f11 test update with that patch. If it works for you, please add
>  karma there and indicate that it does. ;) 
Thanks.  How or where do I get this package?  I looked all over the
URL you provided, and nothing points to an RPM as far as I can tell.


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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:56:02 -0700
Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi&lt;kevin(a)scrye.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
>  > Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >> Greetings,
>  >> I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a
>  >> bunch of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or
>  >> known already:
>  >> 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
>  >> thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
>  >> until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
>  >
>  > There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this...
>  > It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;(
>  
>  Ugh.  Does that imply that there's no solution either? 
Sorry to dig up an old thread here, but upstream has released a patch
for this behavior that might get it working the way you expect. 

See: 

http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-8073

for a f11 test update with that patch. If it works for you, please add
karma there and indicate that it does. ;) 

thanks. 

kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Greetings,
>  I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a bunch
>  of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or known
>  already:
>  0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
>  thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
>  until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps. 
There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this... 
It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;( 

What do you have for: 

Automatically give focus to newly started applications.
and
Automatically raise windows when they receive focus.

In your window manager prefs? Does changing these affect the behavior? 
Also, do you see it only with Terminal and Thunar? Or is it everything?

>  1) The menu editor(xfce4-menueditor) seems to be gone entirely.  Its
>  not in the settings-manager, and there's no xfce4-menueditor binary
>  anywhere.  I did a yum search for it as well, and found nothing.  That
>  wouldn't be a big deal except that.... 
Yep. The menu handling was totally redone in 4.6, and the editor was
not ready to ship. They decided that this functionality was not worth
blocking the entire release on, so it's not available. ;( 
It should be back better and stronger in 4.8. 

>  2) My /home/netllama/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml is completely
>  ignored, and I'm getting a default menu with all sorts of entries that
>  I don't want or need, and none of the entries that I do need.
>  
>  thanks in advance for any guidance or feedback. 
Take a look at: 

http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu

for info on customizing menus in 4.6. 

Hope that helps some. 

kevin

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:01 PM, suvayu ali<fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>  2009/7/8 Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > Greetings,
> > I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a bunch
> > of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or known
> > already:
> > 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
> > thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
> > until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
> > 1) The menu editor(xfce4-menueditor) seems to be gone entirely.  Its
> > not in the settings-manager, and there's no xfce4-menueditor binary
> > anywhere.  I did a yum search for it as well, and found nothing.  That
> > wouldn't be a big deal except that....
> > 2) My /home/netllama/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml is completely
> > ignored, and I'm getting a default menu with all sorts of entries that
> > I don't want or need, and none of the entries that I do need.
> >
>
>  I don't know about your first query, but this is relevant to your
>  query about the menu editor.
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-July/msg00793.html 
Thanks, that should get me started.  Its disappointing that the menu
editor is gone.  Having to edit XML by hand for a windowing env
configuration feels so very wrong.



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[Suvayu Ali]

2009/7/8 Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Greetings,
>  I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a bunch
>  of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or known
>  already:
>  0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
>  thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
>  until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
>  1) The menu editor(xfce4-menueditor) seems to be gone entirely.  Its
>  not in the settings-manager, and there's no xfce4-menueditor binary
>  anywhere.  I did a yum search for it as well, and found nothing.  That
>  wouldn't be a big deal except that....
>  2) My /home/netllama/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml is completely
>  ignored, and I'm getting a default menu with all sorts of entries that
>  I don't want or need, and none of the entries that I do need.
>  
I don't know about your first query, but this is relevant to your
query about the menu editor.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-July/msg00793.html

HTH
-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Lonni J Friedman]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Kevin Fenzi<kevin(a)scrye.com> wrote:
>  On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:42:48 -0700
>  Lonni J Friedman <netllama(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > I've just upgaded from Fedora10 to 11, and I'm running across a bunch
> > of XFCE problems.  Apologies if these are Fedora specific or known
> > already:
> > 0) New windows appear _under_ pre-existing windows.  At first I
> > thought I was going crazy because apps would never seemingly run,
> > until I realized that they were happily sitting behind other apps.
>
>  There is a thread on the upstream devel list about this...
>  It's unclear to me at least what causes the issue. ;( 
Ugh.  Does that imply that there's no solution either?

>  What do you have for:
>
>  Automatically give focus to newly started applications. 
unchecked

looks like if i check this off, then the badness goes away, but that
definitely wasn't needed back in Fedora 10

>  and
>  Automatically raise windows when they receive focus. 
uncheched

>  In your window manager prefs? Does changing these affect the behavior?
>  Also, do you see it only with Terminal and Thunar? Or is it everything? 
everything exhibits this problem

> > 1) The menu editor(xfce4-menueditor) seems to be gone entirely.  Its
> > not in the settings-manager, and there's no xfce4-menueditor binary
> > anywhere.  I did a yum search for it as well, and found nothing.  That
> > wouldn't be a big deal except that....
>
>  Yep. The menu handling was totally redone in 4.6, and the editor was
>  not ready to ship. They decided that this functionality was not worth
>  blocking the entire release on, so it's not available. ;(
>  It should be back better and stronger in 4.8.
>
> > 2) My /home/netllama/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml is completely
> > ignored, and I'm getting a default menu with all sorts of entries that
> > I don't want or need, and none of the entries that I do need.
> >
> > thanks in advance for any guidance or feedback.
>
>  Take a look at:
>
>  http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
>
>  for info on customizing menus in 4.6.
>
>  Hope that helps some. 
thanks, i'll give that a try.  what I'm still puzzled by is why my
pre-existing menu.xml is being ignored.



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