Upgrade from RH9 to FC4 and missing yum

[Hsin Wang]

After I upgraded my RH9 system to FC4, I could not use up2date.  The error
message is that it could not import yum.  I searched and could not find yum
related packages in my system.

I tried to search and download yum from my red hat network account.  My
system used to have a demo subscription in this account.  Now it says 0
system is subscribed.  But somehow when I search for software packages, it
thinks my system is a RH8 and does not find any yum related packages.  It
seems like a catch-22 situation.

I went to RPMFIND.NET and found 3 linux/noarch rpms that seem to be related
to yum: yum-updateonboot, yum-utils, and yumex.  Are these the right rpms to
install?  Do I need all of them?

Hsin Wang

[Markku Kolkka]

Hsin Wang kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika maanantai, 26. 
syyskuuta 2005 18:49):
> I tried to search and download yum from my red hat network
> account.

Red Hat Network doesn't support Fedora.
> I went to RPMFIND.NET and found 3 linux/noarch rpms that seem
> to be related to yum: yum-updateonboot, yum-utils, and yumex. 
> Are these the right rpms to install?

No. You need the yum-2.3.2-7.noarch.rpm package from the first 
FC4 install CD.

[Gilboa Davara]

up2date is broken on FC4.
Use yum (with yumex/kyum front-end) instead.

Gilboa

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:49 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> After I upgraded my RH9 system to FC4, I could not use up2date.  The error
> message is that it could not import yum.  I searched and could not find yum
> related packages in my system.
>
> I tried to search and download yum from my red hat network account.  My
> system used to have a demo subscription in this account.  Now it says 0
> system is subscribed.  But somehow when I search for software packages, it
> thinks my system is a RH8 and does not find any yum related packages.  It
> seems like a catch-22 situation.
>
> I went to RPMFIND.NET and found 3 linux/noarch rpms that seem to be related
> to yum: yum-updateonboot, yum-utils, and yumex.  Are these the right rpms to
> install?  Do I need all of them?
>
> Hsin Wang

[Tim]

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:49 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> yum-updateonboot

Only if you really want YUM to run at bootup and do updates to your
system, first thing.  Doesn't sound a good idea to me.
> yum-utils

No idea what's specifically in there, beyond the brief blurb it uses to
describe itself, but I don't have them (and YUM works fine for me).
> yumex

Gives you a GUI to see what's available for update, or fresh install,
from the website, and will automatically fetch any other packages
required for an installation/update.

I've *also* installed this on my system.  It's quite handy.  Not only do
you see what's available, but you've also got the descriptions to go
with the packages.

[Hsin Wang]

Markku Kolkka said that I needed yum-2.3.2-7.noarch.rpm from FC4 disc 1.  I
installed that and indeed everything works fine:  when I clicked the up2date
button, it imported yum, and I got all the updated packages installed.  The
only annoyance is that most of the packages were not signed with GPG
signatures and I was prompted with the warnings a hundred of times.  I wish
I knew how to turn them off.

I am a bit puzzled by the talk that up2date is broken on FC4.  It seems to
work (via yum) for me, except that the blue check button is misleading.

So I have not used yumex.  But I did download it too and could try it next
time.  Thanks for the help.

--
Hsin Wang
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:07 PM
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Upgrade from RH9 to FC4 and missing yum
>
> On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:49 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> > yum-updateonboot
>
> Only if you really want YUM to run at bootup and do updates to your
> system, first thing.  Doesn't sound a good idea to me.
> > yum-utils
>
> No idea what's specifically in there, beyond the brief blurb it uses to
> describe itself, but I don't have them (and YUM works fine for me).
> > yumex
>
> Gives you a GUI to see what's available for update, or fresh install,
> from the website, and will automatically fetch any other packages
> required for an installation/update.
>
> I've *also* installed this on my system.  It's quite handy.  Not only do
> you see what's available, but you've also got the descriptions to go
> with the packages.
>
> --
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.

[Tim]

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 19:29 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> Markku Kolkka said that I needed yum-2.3.2-7.noarch.rpm from FC4 disc
> I installed that and indeed everything works fine:  when I clicked
>
> the up2date button, it imported yum, and I got all the updated
> packages installed.  The only annoyance is that most of the packages
> were not signed with GPG signatures and I was prompted with the
> warnings a hundred of times.  I wish I knew how to turn them off.

Read the man file, and you'll find the information for modifying the
configuration to stop doing that.  Though, consider what you're doing
strongly!  Are you sure they're not signed?  I've found most to be.  The
usual problem is that you don't have the key installed, and the error
message being a bit cryptic.

[Hsin Wang]

Tim,

I suspect that I may not have the GPG key installed because every package
came unsigned.  How do I find out?  and how do I install the key?

Hsin Wang
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:56 AM
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases; [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: Upgrade from RH9 to FC4 and missing yum
>
> Read the man file, and you'll find the information for modifying the
> configuration to stop doing that.  Though, consider what you're doing
> strongly!  Are you sure they're not signed?  I've found most to be.  The
> usual problem is that you don't have the key installed, and the error
> message being a bit cryptic.

[Tony Nelson]

At 10:45 AM -0400 9/27/05, Hsin Wang wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I suspect that I may not have the GPG key installed because every package
> came unsigned.  How do I find out?  and how do I install the key?

$ su -
    # rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY*
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[Tim]

On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 10:45 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> I suspect that I may not have the GPG key installed because every
> package came unsigned.  How do I find out?  and how do I install the
> key?

Hmm, as I recall, the first time I tried to use YUM (I think it was YUM)
without a GPG key I was prompted whether I wanted to fetch and install
it, and it did.

If you're installing/installed from disc, you can import them from
there.  If not, go to a Fedora mirror, and fetch them from there.

Probably start by reading this:
http://fedora.redhat.com/about/security/

Look in here for keys to be imported:  /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-4/

e.g. rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-4/RPM-GPG-KEY*

[Hsin Wang]

Thank you very much.  I did 
rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-4/RPM-GPG-KEY*
and have not had GPG signature issues.

Hsin Wang
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:05 AM
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases; [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: Upgrade from RH9 to FC4 and missing yum
>
> On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 10:45 -0400, Hsin Wang wrote:
> > I suspect that I may not have the GPG key installed because every
> > package came unsigned.  How do I find out?  and how do I install the
> > key?
>
> Hmm, as I recall, the first time I tried to use YUM (I think it was YUM)
> without a GPG key I was prompted whether I wanted to fetch and install
> it, and it did.
>
> If you're installing/installed from disc, you can import them from
> there.  If not, go to a Fedora mirror, and fetch them from there.
>
> Probably start by reading this:
> http://fedora.redhat.com/about/security/
>
> Look in here for keys to be imported:  /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-4/
>
> e.g. rpm --import /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-4/RPM-GPG-KEY*
>
> -- 
> Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.
> I read messages from the public lists.

[William Hooper]

Hsin Wang wrote:
> Markku Kolkka said that I needed yum-2.3.2-7.noarch.rpm from FC4 disc 1.
> I
> installed that and indeed everything works fine:  when I clicked the
> up2date button, it imported yum, and I got all the updated packages
> installed.  The only annoyance is that most of the packages were not
> signed with GPG signatures

The error is misleading.  The problem is that you need to import the
correct GPG key:

rpm --import /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY*
> and I was prompted with the warnings a hundred
> of times.  I wish I knew how to turn them off.

As with most security features, you should try to understand it, rather
than try to turn it off.