(Re-)enabling up2date

[Timothe Litt]

In a fit of stupidity, I managed to get up2date
unsubscribed from its "channel".  (I am unable
to reconstruct exactly how I got here; it involved
thinking that getting a Red Hat Network managemente
account was a good idea; then discovering that 
getting it to do anything was a for-fee service.)

I'm running Fedore Core 3; here is what happens:

Launch up2date; enter root password; Get "This is Red
Hat Update Agent, it will assist you to update your
Red Hat Enterprise system with the latest software..."
Click forward
    "The system may not be updated until it is associated
with a channel."

How, exactly, do I do that?  I've tried to navigate the 
config files & google, but get hopelessly lost.

The up2date icon & alert notification tool window tells me 
that there are lots of updates to be had.  So it would seem
to be a partial misconfiguration...

On a whim, I tried re-installing (as an update!) from DVD;
unsurprsingly, his didn't correct my mistake.

Thanks in advance.

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[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:58, Timothe Litt wrote:
> In a fit of stupidity, I managed to get up2date
> unsubscribed from its "channel".  (I am unable
> to reconstruct exactly how I got here; it involved
> thinking that getting a Red Hat Network managemente
> account was a good idea; then discovering that
> getting it to do anything was a for-fee service.)

Correct.  But a bigger problem is that A, its been deprecated, and B,
its for Redhat Enterprise commercial Versions of linux, the commercial,
costs more than windows, release.  So it isn't going to work with
fedora, ever.

Fedora uses a utility called yum, which stands for Yellowdog Updater,
Modified.  It will do everything the up2date did, faster & better, but
using the fedora repositories you set up in /etc/yum/.  The install
gives you a default that setup for your distro FC3, and that should
continue to Just Work(TM) until FC3 has been moved to the legacy status.

[Timothe Litt]

Thanks - But: (A) before I did something silly,
up2date worked just fine - with fedora, on this system.  
So it wasn't just for redhat enterprise commercial --
I just broke the association with Fedora.  It must
be possible to undo what I broke... (Yes, I feel
appropriately stupid.)

This was a plain install (+ patches till I broke them)
Of FC3 - not an upgrade from an earlier version.  (The 
poor machine was suffering under Windoze till then.)

I rather liked having an icon that turned red when there
were updates ready, and 2 or 3 clicks later, the files
downloaded and installed.

On the other hand, I don't mind learning new tricks.
What's the corresponding yum magic for "find necessary
patches current inventory; download, & install"?

Thanks.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Heskett [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:41
To: For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: Re: (Re-)enabling up2date

On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:58, Timothe Litt wrote:
> In a fit of stupidity, I managed to get up2date unsubscribed from its 
> "channel".  (I am unable to reconstruct exactly how I got here; it 
> involved thinking that getting a Red Hat Network managemente account 
> was a good idea; then discovering that getting it to do anything was a 
> for-fee service.)

Correct.  But a bigger problem is that A, its been deprecated, and B, its
for Redhat Enterprise commercial Versions of linux, the commercial, costs
more than windows, release.  So it isn't going to work with fedora, ever.

Fedora uses a utility called yum, which stands for Yellowdog Updater,
Modified.  It will do everything the up2date did, faster & better, but using
the fedora repositories you set up in /etc/yum/.  The install gives you a
default that setup for your distro FC3, and that should continue to Just
Work(TM) until FC3 has been moved to the legacy status.

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[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 03 December 2005 13:31, Timothe Litt wrote:
> Thanks - But: (A) before I did something silly,
> up2date worked just fine - with fedora, on this system.
> So it wasn't just for redhat enterprise commercial --
> I just broke the association with Fedora.  It must
> be possible to undo what I broke... (Yes, I feel
> appropriately stupid.)
>
> This was a plain install (+ patches till I broke them)
> Of FC3 - not an upgrade from an earlier version.  (The
> poor machine was suffering under Windoze till then.)
>
> I rather liked having an icon that turned red when there
> were updates ready, and 2 or 3 clicks later, the files
> downloaded and installed.
>
> On the other hand, I don't mind learning new tricks.
> What's the corresponding yum magic for "find necessary
> patches current inventory; download, & install"?
>
> Thanks.

Simplified a bit, and assuming you have a good set of files in
/etc/yum, the following commands will 1: show you whats available

#>yum check-update

Will spit out a probably lengthy list of stuff that can be updated.

# yum update

will duplicate that list and ask you for a y keypress to do it all.

Or you can do
#>yum update space seperated list of packages

to do it piecemeal.  The latter however will often refuse to do one or
more packages due to dependency issues that yum can sort by itself if
you just do the yum update without nameing a package or 7.

Some things IMO are best left alone, and my system is rather broken in
that as an FC2 install, I fixed a lot of its problems by installing the
latest gee whiz stuff from tarballs.  Yum has no knowledge of these, so
I have an exclude list in my yum.conf to protect my working
cups/gutenprint/gimp etc installs from yum, who wants to 'update' those
to versions that are 2 to 5 versions older than whats installed.  So my
system is considered broken, but it works just fine for everything I
want to do, generally speaking.  Right now, I think I've done something
to one of my printer descriptions as the darker areas of my christmas
cards are being lightened and solarized.  I also run the latest kernels,
currently running 2.6.15-rc4.  I'm a curious George.  And I'm an old
fart of 71, a semi-retired broadcast engineer.  What more can I say...

Anyway, "man yum" is your friend.

[taharka]

Howdy,

Timothe Litt wrote:
> Thanks - But: (A) before I did something silly,
> up2date worked just fine - with fedora, on this system.  
> So it wasn't just for redhat enterprise commercial --
> I just broke the association with Fedora.  It must
> be possible to undo what I broke... (Yes, I feel
> appropriately stupid.)
>
> This was a plain install (+ patches till I broke them)
> Of FC3 - not an upgrade from an earlier version.  (The 
> poor machine was suffering under Windoze till then.)
>
> I rather liked having an icon that turned red when there
> were updates ready, and 2 or 3 clicks later, the files
> downloaded and installed.
>
> On the other hand, I don't mind learning new tricks.
> What's the corresponding yum magic for "find necessary
> patches current inventory; download, & install"?
>
> Thanks.

How about posting a copy of your /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file?

taharka

Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.

[Craig White]

On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 11:40 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 03 December 2005 08:58, Timothe Litt wrote:
> > In a fit of stupidity, I managed to get up2date
> > unsubscribed from its "channel".  (I am unable
> > to reconstruct exactly how I got here; it involved
> > thinking that getting a Red Hat Network managemente
> > account was a good idea; then discovering that
> > getting it to do anything was a for-fee service.)
>
> Correct.  But a bigger problem is that A, its been deprecated, and B,
> its for Redhat Enterprise commercial Versions of linux, the commercial,
> costs more than windows, release.  So it isn't going to work with
> fedora, ever.
>
> Fedora uses a utility called yum, which stands for Yellowdog Updater,
> Modified.  It will do everything the up2date did, faster & better, but
> using the fedora repositories you set up in /etc/yum/.  The install
> gives you a default that setup for your distro FC3, and that should
> continue to Just Work(TM) until FC3 has been moved to the legacy status.

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huh?

# up2date -u
http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3
using mirror: http://mirror.web-ster.com/fedora/core/3/i386/os/
http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3
using mirror: http://ftp.uni-
bayreuth.de/linux/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386

Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: fedora-core-3...

Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: updates-released-fc3...

Fetching rpm headers...

Name                                    Version        Rel
----------------------------------------------------------

All packages are currently up to date

up2date works. I think that there's issues with the applet.

Craig

[taharka]

Howdy,

Craig White wrote:
> huh?
>
> # up2date -u
> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/fedora-core-3
> using mirror: http://mirror.web-ster.com/fedora/core/3/i386/os/
> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/up2date-mirrors/updates-released-fc3
> using mirror: http://ftp.uni-
> bayreuth.de/linux/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386
>
> Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: fedora-core-3...
>
> Fetching Obsoletes list for channel: updates-released-fc3...
>
> Fetching rpm headers...
> Name                                    Version        Rel
>
> All packages are currently up to date
>
> up2date works. I think that there's issues with the applet.
>
> Craig

Darned right up2date works. I revert to it whenever a yum update chokes :-(

taharka

Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.

[William Hooper]

Timothe Litt wrote:
[snip]
> Launch up2date; enter root password; Get "This is Red
> Hat Update Agent, it will assist you to update your
> Red Hat Enterprise system with the latest software..."
> Click forward
> "The system may not be updated until it is associated
> with a channel."

[snip]

Edit the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and comment out the "up2date
default" line.

[Timothe Litt]

Thank you!  That did it.

By the way, my /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file had
TWO "up2date default" lines.  Commenting out both did
the trick.

In case it helps anyone else, attached is my (now working!)
config file.

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-----Original Message-----
From: William Hooper [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 13:20
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Re-)enabling up2date

Timothe Litt wrote:
[snip]
> Launch up2date; enter root password; Get "This is Red Hat Update 
> Agent, it will assist you to update your Red Hat Enterprise system 
> with the latest software..."
> Click forward
> "The system may not be updated until it is associated with a channel."

[snip]

Edit the /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources file and comment out the "up2date
default" line.

--
William Hooper