conflicts in kde updates

[Charles Zeitler]

when trying to update kdebase, i get the following conflicts.

Transaction Check Error:   file /usr/lib/libakonadi-kabc.so.4 from install
of kdepimlibs-4.2.0-1.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdepim-libs-6:4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/abstractrunner.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/animationdriver.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/animator.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/applet.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/containment.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/corona.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/datacontainer.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/dataengine.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/dataenginemanager.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/delegate.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/dialog.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/glapplet.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/package.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/packagemetadata.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/packagestructure.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/paintutils.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/plasma.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/plasma_export.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/querymatch.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/runnercontext.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/runnermanager.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/scripting/appletscript.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/scripting/dataenginescript.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/scripting/runnerscript.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/scripting/scriptengine.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/service.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/servicejob.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/svg.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/theme.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/tooltipmanager.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/version.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/view.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/checkbox.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/combobox.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/groupbox.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/label.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/lineedit.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/meter.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/pushbutton.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/radiobutton.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/signalplotter.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/include/kde4/plasma/widgets/textedit.h from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/lib/kde4/devel/libplasma.so from install of
kdelibs-devel-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-devel-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/config/plasmoids.knsrc from install of
kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-animator.desktop from install of
kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-applet.desktop from install of
kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-containment.desktop from install
of kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-dataengine.desktop from install
of kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-packagestructure.desktop from
install of kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-runner.desktop from install of
kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386
  file /usr/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-scriptengine.desktop from install
of kdelibs-6:4.2.0-10.fc10.i386 conflicts with file from package
kdebase-workspace-4.1.4-1.fc10.i386

i tried clearing yums metadata, but it didn't help.
any ideas?

thanx

  charles zeitler
-- 

   Do What Thou Wilt
       Shall  Be
     The Whole  of
        The Law

     -Aleister Crowley

[Kevin Kofler]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  What sometimes works is erasing the old package, installing the new
> one,
>  then reinstalling the old one. It doesn't seem reasonable that this
>  should work (it seems to imply that "conflicts with" is not
>  commutative), but it often does. 
This probably only "worked" because of bugs in RPM, which should be fixed
now. So don't expect to get away with this anymore.

        Kevin Kofler

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 08:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  charles zeitler wrote:
>  > i didn't know that 'transaction depencies' do not parallel 'package
>  > dependencies' !
>  
>  Unfortunately, file conflicts can only be detected during transactions or
>  test transactions, not when the dependencies are resolved. We would have to
>  add explicit versioned Conflicts: tags for yum to understand what versions
>  conflict with each other, but that would quickly become unmaintainable and
>  often we aren't even aware of every such file conflict. So the only advice
>  I can give is: if you run into file conflicts between some old and some new
>  package, upgrade the other package as well. 
What sometimes works is erasing the old package, installing the new one,
then reinstalling the old one. It doesn't seem reasonable that this
should work (it seems to imply that "conflicts with" is not
commutative), but it often does.

poc

[Kevin Kofler]

charles zeitler wrote:
>  i didn't know that 'transaction depencies' do not
> parallel 'package
>  dependencies' ! 
Unfortunately, file conflicts can only be detected during transactions or
test transactions, not when the dependencies are resolved. We would have to
add explicit versioned Conflicts: tags for yum to understand what versions
conflict with each other, but that would quickly become unmaintainable and
often we aren't even aware of every such file conflict. So the only advice
I can give is: if you run into file conflicts between some old and some new
package, upgrade the other package as well.

The best solution is to just apply all the updates, as the old Red Hat Linux
errata used to recommend:
>  Before applying this update, make sure all previously released
> errata
>  relevant to your system have been applied. 
        Kevin Kofler

[Charles Zeitler]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt;wrote:

>  charles zeitler wrote:
>  > when trying to update kdebase, i get the following conflicts.
>
>  You have to update all the KDE stuff, not just kdebase.
>
>         Kevin Kofler
>
>  
Duh!

Thanks.

i didn't know that 'transaction depencies' do not parallel 'package
dependencies' !

charles zeitler

[Kevin Kofler]

charles zeitler wrote:
>  when trying to update kdebase, i get the following conflicts. 
You have to update all the KDE stuff, not just kdebase.

        Kevin Kofler

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 07:49 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>  > What sometimes works is erasing the old package, installing the new one,
>  > then reinstalling the old one. It doesn't seem reasonable that this
>  > should work (it seems to imply that "conflicts with" is not
>  > commutative), but it often does.
>  
>  This probably only "worked" because of bugs in RPM, which should be fixed
>  now. So don't expect to get away with this anymore. 
Fair enough. As I said, it didn't seem reasonable that it should work.

poc