Re: Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
>  Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's
> actually a
>  problem or a personal taste issue. 
http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png

>  And don't forget to go to the test list. 
The same thing would apparently happen on F36.

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:30:42PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
>  > Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
>  > problem or a personal taste issue.
>  
>  http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png 
Terminal after upgrade:

http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly2.png

This is using DejaVu Mono which is how it looked before:

http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/normal.png

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:36:14PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:30:42PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  > On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
>  > > Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
>  > > problem or a personal taste issue.
>  > 
>  > http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png
>  
>  Terminal after upgrade:
>  
>  http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly2.png
>  
>  This is using DejaVu Mono which is how it looked before:
>  
>  http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/normal.png 
I separately upgraded another laptop from F35 to F36 using dnf
system-upgrade, and the font problem was the same, so this isn't a
F37 / testing problem as far as I can tell.

Rich.

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Barry]

>  On 18 Sep 2022, at 17:36, Richard W.M. Jones
> <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 05:30:42PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:29:52PM +0800, Lily White wrote:
> >> Also, please attach a screenshot so we'll know if it's actually a
> >> problem or a personal taste issue.
> > 
> > http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly.png
>  
>  Terminal after upgrade:
>  
>  http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/ugly2.png
>  
>  This is using DejaVu Mono which is how it looked before:
>  
>  http://oirase.annexia.org/tmp/normal.png 
I see that the line spacing is bigger with Noto, but both look fine to me from you
images.

What is it that you are finding ugly about noto that is great I deja?


Barry

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 09:58:16PM +0100, Barry wrote:
>  What is it that you are finding ugly about noto that is great I deja?
Small spidery unreadable letters.  They actually appear better somehow
in the screenshots than they do on the screen itself.

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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[Tim]

Barry wrote:
> > What is it that you are finding ugly about noto that is great I
> deja? 
Richard W.M. Jones:
>  Small spidery unreadable letters.  They actually appear better
> somehow
>  in the screenshots than they do on the screen itself.
>   
Are you scaling the screen display?

I saw very little difference between the screen shots, too (minor
differences in sizing and spacing).


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Noto fonts - ugly and unreadable for everyone or just me?

[George N. White III]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 5:18 AM Tim via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  Barry wrote:
>  >> What is it that you are finding ugly about noto that is great I deja?
>
>  Richard W.M. Jones:
>  > Small spidery unreadable letters.  They actually appear better somehow
>  > in the screenshots than they do on the screen itself.
>  >
>
>  Are you scaling the screen display?
>
>  I saw very little difference between the screen shots, too (minor
>  differences in sizing and spacing).
>  
Same for me.  There are many configuration options for anti-aliasing,
scaling when display physical resolution doesn't match the configured
resolution (pixels, lines).  There can be differences in the font hints
that control what happens when parts of a glyph are thinner than a
pixel.  Maybe you should try taking photos of the screen so we can see
what you see.

There are forums where font geeks hang out that might be more useful.

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